The question at hand, which it boils down to, is
if justification at some part, to some degree, is to be found in the sinner or solely in Christ alone.
if justification at some part, to some degree, is to be found in the sinner or solely in Christ alone.
Let me ask this question in return:
is there any possibility that a regenerate soul can not believe, or choose not to believe?
is there any possibility that a regenerate soul can not believe, or choose not to believe?
Is there some form of preparationism or "prevenient grace" involved, where a soul indeed can experience a calling, but yet turn out to fail to respond to same?
If faith is the result of regeneration, then it is impossible for the regenerate not to believe.
If faith is the result of regeneration, then it is impossible for the regenerate not to believe.
none that is elect would be able to end up fruitless and yet being saved. Are you really with me on that?
That some translations has translated pistis as faithfulness in Gal.5:22 is not a sufficient proof for the point you are pressing on to make.
Have I said that justification precedes faith?
Seems you thought "our" meant of our own doing.
But actually, I was setting it against the faith of Christ or the faith of God
which is forsha's position.
My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Faith is ours as gift, and it is real, but it is not a "condition" on "us", since we are "justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Rom.3:24).
Without faith, we would not be able to receive the gift of justification. But it cannot thereby be concluded from this that faith is the condition of salvation.
Without faith, we would not be able to receive the gift of justification. But it cannot thereby be concluded from this that faith is the condition of salvation.
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