Ye shall eat of it not, ye shall die

[granpa]

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”

And the woman saith unto the serpent, `Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we do eat,
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said,

"Ye shall eat of it not, ye shall die"​

And the serpent saith unto the woman,

"Ye shall eat of it, not ye shall die"​

And Jehovah God saith to the woman, `What [is] this thou hast done?' and the woman saith,

`The (sneaky) snake snaked me -- and I did eat.'​

 

[granpa]

The difference
between "poo" and "s---",
between "black person" and "n---",
between "science enthusiast" and "geek"
between "missing the mark" and "sin"
is that we think of the latter of each pair as being all-bad. Good for nothing. Fit only for damnation. This is called "projecting".
In reality nothing is all-good (cool) or all-bad. Even God would have a shadow (despite his being completly selfless), though many people, consciously or unconsciously, think otherwise.
(the difference between a God with a shadow and a God without a shadow might seem trivial but a little leaven leavens the whole)

Mark 8:15 (NKJV)
15 Then He charged them, saying, “Take heed, beware of the leaven (all-or-nothing thinking) of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.”
(i.e. all-or-nothing thinking is like an infectious disease or a computer virus)

hypocrisy = υπόκρισις = under-judge = hidden judging
to judge someone is to see that person as either all good or all bad with nothing in between


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)
Splitting (also called all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism used by many people. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground.)

 

[SolidGround]

The difference
between "poo" and "s---",
between "black person" and "n---",
between "science enthusiast" and "geek"
between "missing the mark" and "sin"
is that we think of the latter of each pair as being all-bad. Good for nothing. Fit only for damnation. This is called "projecting".
In reality nothing is all-good (cool) or all-bad. Even God would have a shadow (despite his being completly selfless), though many people, consciously or unconsciously, think otherwise.
(the difference between a God with a shadow and a God without a shadow might seem trivial but a little leaven leavens the whole)

Mark 8:15 (NKJV)
15 Then He charged them, saying, “Take heed, beware of the leaven (all-or-nothing thinking) of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.”
(i.e. all-or-nothing thinking is like an infectious disease or a computer virus)

hypocrisy = υπόκρισις = under-judge = hidden judging
to judge someone is to see that person as either all good or all bad with nothing in between


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29
Splitting (also called all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism used by many people. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground.)

I think i missed the mark... i mean point.
I think I missed the point.

The "God has a shadow" image is silly, because He is the Light.
He chases away all shadows. Like the sun does.

Can you rephrase what you're point is. I really did try, but don't get it.

 

[granpa]

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said,
"Ye shall eat of it not, ye shall die"

according to my Bible study (At-a-glance/The Bible - Religion-wiki) the fall would have occurred shortly after they left the ark after the flood.
What did God command them not to eat after the flood?

this is also the same time that the scorpions emerge from the smoke and torment men for 5 months

 

[SolidGround]

At-a-glance/The Bible - Religion-wiki

according to my Bible study the fall would have occurred shortly after they left the ark after the flood.
What did God command them not to eat after the flood?

You missed something in Sunday School.
Sin entered the world through one man, Adam.
And the world was exceedingly sinful before the Flood.
Therefore, the Fall occurred before the Flood.

 

[granpa]

this doesn't occur after the flood but it certainly does seem to parallel the events of the fall


And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. 2. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children.' 3. And Semjâzâ, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' 4. And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' 5. Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. 6. And they were in all two hundred; who descended ⌈in the days⌉ of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon

And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood.

 

[granpa]

At-a-glance/The Bible - Religion-wiki

And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph, that Jacob said unto Laban, Send me away, that I may go unto mine own place, and to my country

And Laban said to Jacob, Behold this heap, and behold this pillar, which I have cast betwixt me and thee;

This heap be witness, and this pillar be witness, that I will not pass over this heap to thee, and that thou shalt not pass over this heap and this pillar unto me, for harm.

Hebrew Lexicon :: H5707 (KJV)

עֵד

rhod

witness


coincidentally Jared dies around the time of the birth of Joseph

jah-red = witness of jahweh?
red = blood?

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102880-ye-shall-eat-not-ye-shall-die.html

 

[VioletReigns]

Brother granpa, you are quoting from the book of Enoch, a historical book but not the inspired Word of God.

 

[granpa]

while we're on the topic of cannibalism it might be a good time to link to this

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/102539-human-beings-animals.html

 

[VioletReigns]

The difference
between "poo" and "s---",
between "black person" and "n---",
between "science enthusiast" and "geek"
between "missing the mark" and "sin"
is that we think of the latter of each pair as being all-bad. Good for nothing. Fit only for damnation. This is called "projecting".
In reality nothing is all-good (cool) or all-bad. Even God would have a shadow (despite his being completly selfless), though many people, consciously or unconsciously, think otherwise.
(the difference between a God with a shadow and a God without a shadow might seem trivial but a little leaven leavens the whole)

Mark 8:15 (NKJV)
15 Then He charged them, saying, “Take heed, beware of the leaven (all-or-nothing thinking) of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.”
(i.e. all-or-nothing thinking is like an infectious disease or a computer virus)

hypocrisy = υπόκρισις = under-judge = hidden judging
to judge someone is to see that person as either all good or all bad with nothing in between


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29
Splitting (also called all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person's thinking to bring together both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism used by many people. The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual's actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground.)

Honesty, your ideology isn't making sense. First of all, the leaven in Mark 8:15 is in reference to "moral corruption"; immoral people corrupt other people. That's it. No hidden message. Jesus explained it plainly for a child to understand. In fact, Jesus was frustrated that they didn't get it at first because it was that simple and they missed it.

I guess I must be getting old and tired... or perhaps I just lack the stamina for the Bible Discussion Forum. I cannot muster up the enthusiasm to discuss (debate? decipher? interpret?) topics (trivia? riddles? catch 22's?) such as this. When I read this I don't discern anything that exalts and gives praise to the Lord Jesus Christ nor encourages and uplifts the body of Christ, the church. I'm not ruling out that it's just me. Ok? I'm keeping an open mind here.

On the other hand, please tell me from what source you are getting these concepts and what exactly is your point. I know you're quoting from the book of Enoch (not the inspired Word of God). What other books are you referencing?

 

[granpa]

But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said,
"Ye shall eat of it not, ye shall die"

according to my Bible study (At-a-glance/The Bible - Religion-wiki) the fall would have occurred shortly after they left the ark after the flood.
What did God command them not to eat after the flood?

this is also the same time that the scorpions emerge from the smoke and torment men for 5 months

scorpions and locusts are tiny things. but small things can have big of effects.


War of the Worlds by HG Wells:

In a desperate bid to stop the invaders, a United States Air Force Northrop YB-49 Flying Wing bomber drops an atomic bomb on the three original war machines, but to no effect, due to their protective force fields; the Martians continue to advance and the government orders an immediate evacuation. The Pacific Tech group must now come up with something, because they estimate the Earth can be conquered in just six days. As they evacuate, widespread panic among the populace scatters the Pacific Tech group; a mob steals their trucks and wrecks their equipment, and in the chaos Forrester and Van Buren are separated.

All seems lost; humanity is helpless against the Martians. Forrester searches for Van Buren in the burning ruins of Los Angeles, now under attack. He remembers something she told him, and he eventually finds her in a church with other refugees, waiting for the end. An approaching war machine suddenly crashes into a building, then another one falls nearby. Forrester soon discovers that the invaders are dying. As in H. G. Wells' novel, the Martians have no biological defenses against the Earth's viruses and bacteria. The smallest creatures that "God in His wisdom had put upon this Earth" have saved mankind from extinction.

 

[granpa]

Leviticus 17:10-12

10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

11 For the life of all flesh is wine given to you upon the altar to atone for your souls: for the wine upon the soul atones.

12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

 

[granpa]

the original language had tones so the word juice could mean blood or wine depending on which tone it was expressed with.
When translated into Hebrew the tones were of course dropped

wine symbolizes the Holy Spirit

 

[VioletReigns]

I suspect you have blocked me granpa as you don't reply to any of my comments. At any rate, because this is not genuinely a Bible discussion (you are quoting HG Wells & referencing the book of Enoch) perhaps you should post this kind of topic in another forum.

 

[granpa]

Leviticus 17:10-12

10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

11 For the life of all flesh is wine given to you upon the altar to atone for your souls: for the wine upon the soul atones.

12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

the injunction against drinking blood is perfectly clear but somewhere along the way some evidently became more equal than others.

 

[SolidGround]

the injunction against drinking blood is perfectly clear but somewhere along the way some evidently became more equal than others.

blood is removed from kosher meat.
you misunderstand the Law.

just go vegan if it bothers you

 

[granpa]

spiritual blood not physical blood

 

[SolidGround]

spiritual blood not physical blood

the Law is physical in that regard.
if it was against drinking spiritual blood, there would be no Communion.

 

[granpa]

we do not drink Jesus blood. We drink his wine.
He even drew us a picture at the Last Supper and people still don't get it

 

[SolidGround]

we do not drink Jesus blood. We drink his wine.
He even drew us a picture at the Last Supper and people still don't get it

so... meat is off the menu entirely? pls explain yourself.
it says in the Law not to eat meat with the blood still in it,
which means that meat without the blood STILL in it is okay to eat.

Where is it that you become confused?

Nevermind, it also says in the Word to not argue over whether or not to eat meat.

Peace