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HI Kaylagrl....HOW indeed. the other question is 'How can you be a Christian if you DO NOT read the Bible'?
"How can you call yourselves Christian when you do NOT believe in the Bible"?
IF you Do Not Believe in GOD's WORD then how can you believe in Jesus Christ and HIS Gospel. This Required to be a Christian!
On the Other hand: 'How can you be a Christian if you DO NOT read the Bible'.....THE RCC has for centuries told the masses that the Vicar of Christ in their Church would TELL them what to Believe. In fact, during sometime periods of the past, It was illegal to read or have a Bible if you were not part of the Pope's train.
Jesus tells us in ACTS 17:11 (KJV) (the Bereans)..>"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
1. Logically, we believe many things we don't fully understand.
2. Logically, we believe many things we don't understand at all.
3. God is always telling us, in scripture, to TRUST in whatever HE decides to bring our way... before we know anything about it.
I think it is both logical, and biblical, to CHOOSE TO BELIEVE what God tells us...
whether or not we've yet heard it,
and whether or not we even understand it.
We CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
That is faith.
Do you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in whatever God will show you tomorrow?
Is it tomorrow yet?
No.
2. Logically, we believe many things we don't understand at all.
3. God is always telling us, in scripture, to TRUST in whatever HE decides to bring our way... before we know anything about it.
I think it is both logical, and biblical, to CHOOSE TO BELIEVE what God tells us...
whether or not we've yet heard it,
and whether or not we even understand it.
We CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
That is faith.
Do you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in whatever God will show you tomorrow?
Is it tomorrow yet?
No.
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1. Logically, we believe many things we don't fully understand.
2. Logically, we believe many things we don't understand at all.
3. God is always telling us, in scripture, to TRUST in whatever HE decides to bring out way... before we know anything about it.
I think it is both logical, and biblical, to CHOOSE TO BELIEVE what God tells us...
whether or not we've yet heard it,
and whether or not we even understand it.
We CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
That is faith.
Do you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in whatever God will show you tomorrow?
Is it tomorrow yet?
No.
2. Logically, we believe many things we don't understand at all.
3. God is always telling us, in scripture, to TRUST in whatever HE decides to bring out way... before we know anything about it.
I think it is both logical, and biblical, to CHOOSE TO BELIEVE what God tells us...
whether or not we've yet heard it,
and whether or not we even understand it.
We CHOOSE TO BELIEVE.
That is faith.
Do you CHOOSE TO BELIEVE in whatever God will show you tomorrow?
Is it tomorrow yet?
No.
One of the problems I see with this comment is that of the great commission that says to go and make disciples, teaching them to obey all Jesus' commandments.
Matthew 28:16-20
But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Much of what was being taught came to the hearers by word of mouth with the leading of the Holy Spirit.
We teach today out of God's word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's power is contained within the written word and the verbal word.
Today we don't know what to verbalize without reading and studying the written word. This is how God planned for us to hear His words. Verbally and written, both with the inspiration of God's Spirit.
Well what about the first half of Acts 4? In it we see some people that clearly should have read the Bible and some people that hadn't.
Acts 4:5-13
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
Acts 4:5-13
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the morrow, that their rulers, and elders, and scribes,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And Annas the high priest, and Caiaphas, and John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the kindred of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, By what power, or by what name, have ye done this?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we this day be examined of the good deed done to the impotent man, by what means he is made whole;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
I guess that depends on your definition of "tomorrow."
A. Are you talking about a specific day that comes after today?
B. Are you trying to use non-philosophical terms to refer to the "potential infinite" in order to create confusion?
* Your "wise man" had nothing better to do than resort to simple equivocation in order to pretend at profundity.
* Maybe you should listen to less pretentious people.
A. Are you talking about a specific day that comes after today?
B. Are you trying to use non-philosophical terms to refer to the "potential infinite" in order to create confusion?
* Your "wise man" had nothing better to do than resort to simple equivocation in order to pretend at profundity.
* Maybe you should listen to less pretentious people.
HiChokmahiel,
I'm not understanding your point except that it's in agreement with what I said.
Lol well if you want to know the story:
When I was a little kid there was a Joe's Crab Shack in the next town over. It closed down some years a go, but while it remained, I liked to go to Joe's Crab Shack, especially for my birthday. Well one of the first times I went there they had a huge sign painted on the side of the restaurant that read "Free Crab Tomorrow". I said to my dad "well dad we could just come back tomorrow and get free crab." My dad laughed at me and said "son, tomorrow never comes".
When I was a little kid there was a Joe's Crab Shack in the next town over. It closed down some years a go, but while it remained, I liked to go to Joe's Crab Shack, especially for my birthday. Well one of the first times I went there they had a huge sign painted on the side of the restaurant that read "Free Crab Tomorrow". I said to my dad "well dad we could just come back tomorrow and get free crab." My dad laughed at me and said "son, tomorrow never comes".
Well...this gives you some kinks and knots, doesn't it?
God taught me a lot through my reading of His words when I was reading not the best translation for over 8 years. But it didn't stop Him from giving me understanding. Because He would give me more than one verse in more than one place that would tie together, and that would also show me the opposite...extreme? (Kindness/severity, faith/works, etc.)So it was a process of saying, I understand, then seeing a verse that seemed to be saying the opposite and getting confused and saying I don't really understand, then finding more verses, etc. So He pulled it all together by more than the one verse. Like, if I'd based my thoughts on just the one verse, excluding the verses in tension TO it, that's where doctrines (or at least argument over them) goes astray. There's always at least one person wandering around thinking, but you just keep arguing the same thing when BOTH things are true and I just want to understand them BOTH, as a WHOLE.
So...I don't have a problem with the general idea of errancy because honestly, even whatever translation He uses to teach you with, scholarship finds places all the time where a word has been translated not nearly as well as it could have been for our edification. Also, Paul saying, I give my opinion here is a mans opinion. A very godly mans opinion, but nevertheless, an opinion, (which he made sure to note).
On the other hand, I've seen some nuts take the general idea of errancy and use it in a much different sense. I don't have a problem with some of the things he said in his letters being instructions in his own time and place geared toward more efficient running of gatherings. What I have a problem with is a nut running loose and going way far to either extreme on the matter and yoking people again by making a law of Pauls' instructions to a gathering to try to help them, and therefore doing the opposite and harming them. Paul was a man of his time. Women were not as free as they are now. But then, you would EXPECT God to bring the church further along after 2,000 years, correcting deep seated and customary attitudes over that time.
And I DO see some people make an idol of the bible actually, when they don't know the Person.
Lot's of knots and kinks. I would have to hear more by the man to see if I agreed or not. I'd have to see if he's a nut running loose to one extreme or if he is reasonable. But just based on this small portion, I think I agree but with reservations until I see if he works nuttiness in at some point.
God taught me a lot through my reading of His words when I was reading not the best translation for over 8 years. But it didn't stop Him from giving me understanding. Because He would give me more than one verse in more than one place that would tie together, and that would also show me the opposite...extreme? (Kindness/severity, faith/works, etc.)So it was a process of saying, I understand, then seeing a verse that seemed to be saying the opposite and getting confused and saying I don't really understand, then finding more verses, etc. So He pulled it all together by more than the one verse. Like, if I'd based my thoughts on just the one verse, excluding the verses in tension TO it, that's where doctrines (or at least argument over them) goes astray. There's always at least one person wandering around thinking, but you just keep arguing the same thing when BOTH things are true and I just want to understand them BOTH, as a WHOLE.
So...I don't have a problem with the general idea of errancy because honestly, even whatever translation He uses to teach you with, scholarship finds places all the time where a word has been translated not nearly as well as it could have been for our edification. Also, Paul saying, I give my opinion here is a mans opinion. A very godly mans opinion, but nevertheless, an opinion, (which he made sure to note).
On the other hand, I've seen some nuts take the general idea of errancy and use it in a much different sense. I don't have a problem with some of the things he said in his letters being instructions in his own time and place geared toward more efficient running of gatherings. What I have a problem with is a nut running loose and going way far to either extreme on the matter and yoking people again by making a law of Pauls' instructions to a gathering to try to help them, and therefore doing the opposite and harming them. Paul was a man of his time. Women were not as free as they are now. But then, you would EXPECT God to bring the church further along after 2,000 years, correcting deep seated and customary attitudes over that time.
And I DO see some people make an idol of the bible actually, when they don't know the Person.
Lot's of knots and kinks. I would have to hear more by the man to see if I agreed or not. I'd have to see if he's a nut running loose to one extreme or if he is reasonable. But just based on this small portion, I think I agree but with reservations until I see if he works nuttiness in at some point.
You have to believe in the gospel to be a Christian the word of God is the gospel if you don't want to believe the bible how will ever even know God? you can watch youtube videos and you can listen to preachers but without an in depth study of the bible you will only go so far.
To not believe in the bible is to not believe in God himself.People make the mistake of thinking the bible is simply a book or a study guide to being a Christian but it's much much more than it's it literal words of God himself it's sacred book that holds vast power in a single scripture it's the very heart of God himself. When you hold the bible in your hearts your holding the heart of God himself and to search the scriptures is to search his heart. If people refuse to believe in the bible and are unwilling to read and believe it then honestly are they are even Christian? It seems to me people are fine with just making the cut or just being a good person and loving and calling themselves Christian they are only putting in some of their hearts into it.
But God does not want unbelieving people calling themselves Christians he wants people whose hearts are completely on fire for him people who want to go all the way people who seek to love and know him with an endless hunger and thirst with every fiber of their being and every cell within their body. Unbelief cannot produce this fire that he seeks and if people cannot believe in his words how can they believe in him?
To not believe in the bible is to not believe in God himself.People make the mistake of thinking the bible is simply a book or a study guide to being a Christian but it's much much more than it's it literal words of God himself it's sacred book that holds vast power in a single scripture it's the very heart of God himself. When you hold the bible in your hearts your holding the heart of God himself and to search the scriptures is to search his heart. If people refuse to believe in the bible and are unwilling to read and believe it then honestly are they are even Christian? It seems to me people are fine with just making the cut or just being a good person and loving and calling themselves Christian they are only putting in some of their hearts into it.
But God does not want unbelieving people calling themselves Christians he wants people whose hearts are completely on fire for him people who want to go all the way people who seek to love and know him with an endless hunger and thirst with every fiber of their being and every cell within their body. Unbelief cannot produce this fire that he seeks and if people cannot believe in his words how can they believe in him?
And here's what I said that addresses that. We teach today out of God's word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's power is contained within the written word and the verbal word.
Today we don't know what to verbalize without reading and studying the written word. This is how God planned for us to hear His words. Verbally and written, both with the inspiration of God's Spirit.
We teach today out of God's word with the leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit's power is contained within the written word and the verbal word. Today we don't know what to verbalize without reading and studying the written word. This is how God planned for us to hear His words. Verbally and written, both with the inspiration of God's Spirit.