How donyou know your marriage is too far to be saved?

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jknotts2

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
 
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Nicee

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I recently (abt 15min ago) read abt an article on divorce titled "Why God hates Divorce?" It was interesting tht the writer said tht some of the possible reasons were 1. "Divorce exact a high price and returns little in long-term wellbeing. It damages the two spouses, but tht not the reason God hates it." 2."The effects it has on children.....early pregnancy ,school drop out,drugs etc."

He also stated there are justifications for divorce. He compares Earthly marriage to the bridge and groom, and God and Israel(Hosea 2:13, 16, 19 ,20)Discribe Gods attitudes to Israel n how he tries to allure her. With all this said. I can conclude tht you need to try to allure her. If tht doesnt work. Ask yourself wht would God do? n no you dnt hv to be God. You just hv to justify your actions with God.
 
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sassylady

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It's never too far gone to be saved with God, but both people need to want to save it.

In Proverbs it says the wise woman builds her house but the foolish tears it down with her own hands. Though both are responsible the woman has a big role in the tone set in the household.
 
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Michelleks

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
Sounds like what my husband would say.
i am sure she did not mean its look into your heart and see if you trust her, that she married you with good will, and she just want to feel loved, and try to respect you all she can. Praise her more.hug her if she is naggy. Things will go around soon.merry Christmas.
 

Angela53510

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I was noticing how many of my friends, Christian and non-Christian are suffering and in poverty. The only ones that were not, were those that had never divorced. Really, divorce brings the consequence of poverty, which is well documented. My SIL was a a conference, and every single workshop emphasized the fact, that if you want to be poor, then get a divorce. If you want to be comfortable, then stay with the spouse of your youth, as God says in his word.

God allows consequences to our actions, and poverty is only one of the results of divorce.

Personally, I don't believe there is ever a point at which a marriage cannot change. But first, you need to examine yourself, and your actions in this marriage. Marriage is about two people and you sound oversensitive. Instead of blaming your wife, get an older man at church to mentor you in how to be a good husband.

I'll bet you are very entitled, from what you have said. Did your mother do everything for you? Do you expect your wife to do the same, when she also holds down a job?

Do you have children? They will never recover from the divorce. They may go on, but this behaviour of not persevering will influence them every day of their lives.

Finally, are you a Christian? Are you really following the words of Jesus, written by the Apostle Paul, to love your wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her?"

"25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.[ 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body. 31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband." Eph. 5:25-33

Your marriage can be saved, but only if you start to work on it. You can win your wife with love, but you will lose her if you constantly make demands.

(PS. My husband used to say I demeaned him. One day, he woke up, after really getting back into his Bible and prayer, and realized he was the one demeaning himself. He has never looked back, and our marriage gets better day.)

Praying for you to follow Christ and love and treat your wife the way God has ordained for marriage.
 
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nw2u

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We all have needs. You stated something like, she doesn't respect me. We earn respect. It is not given. What have you done to earn her respect? That's rhetorical. Also, she has needs. What are those and how can you try to meet them and bring you closer. Seems to me that when we a separated from our spouse, we also are separating ourselves from God and His Son. All those questions are rhetorical. Hope you figure it out.
 
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Tisha

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Hi,

I have been down this path and it is not great at all. If I could turn the clock I would have made a bigger effort to save my marriage. And if you have kids yes it very hard on them, was it worth it no, not at all. Family, friends also get hurt in this process. My ex husband cheated on me but he was not alone to be blamed I should have looked at myself first and most of all prayed about it and not take the easy way out. Friends, family and work colleagues all told me once a cheater always, was it right for me to listen to them and not pray about it. And leave it in God hands but I decided I could never trust again and got the divorce. After a very long time my ex husband and I had a very good talk about what went wrong and today we both are very sorry that we did not fight harder for our marriage. Today we are of the best friends. What I really want to say to you is step out side of your situation and really examine what irritates you and why it irritates you. Most of the time when we look for faults on others it is actually us that is at fault. I don't know if you have ever seen the movie fireproof, if not really make an effort and watch the movie and take on the 40 day challenge what have you got to lose. All the best and I will be praying for you God Bless.
 

presidente

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We all have needs. You stated something like, she doesn't respect me. We earn respect. It is not given. What have you done to earn her respect?
Not in marriage. Respect is commanded in marriage in Ephesians 5. A wife is to respect/reverence her husband because she reverences Christ.

If a woman withholds respect until he 'earns it', that's a recipe for disaster in marriage. It would also be a recipe for disaster if a husband would not love his wife until after she earned it. A problem with expecting the husband to earn it first, (aside from being rebellious toward what scripture teaches), is the wife with that attitude probably isn't going to identify and appreciate the sorts of things in her husband that a more respectful wife would.

And some people have a problem showing due respect, no matter the quality of the person to whom the respect is due or what they have done.
 

presidente

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Hi,

I have been down this path and it is not great at all. If I could turn the clock I would have made a bigger effort to save my marriage. And if you have kids yes it very hard on them, was it worth it no, not at all. Family, friends also get hurt in this process. My ex husband cheated on me but he was not alone to be blamed I should have looked at myself first and most of all prayed about it and not take the easy way out. Friends, family and work colleagues all told me once a cheater always, was it right for me to listen to them and not pray about it. And leave it in God hands but I decided I could never trust again and got the divorce. After a very long time my ex husband and I had a very good talk about what went wrong and today we both are very sorry that we did not fight harder for our marriage. Today we are of the best friends. What I really want to say to you is step out side of your situation and really examine what irritates you and why it irritates you. Most of the time when we look for faults on others it is actually us that is at fault. I don't know if you have ever seen the movie fireproof, if not really make an effort and watch the movie and take on the 40 day challenge what have you got to lose. All the best and I will be praying for you God Bless.
If neither of you remarried, why wouldn't reconciliation be a possibility?
 

presidente

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
Hi,

I'm sorry to hear about what you are going through. Disrespect is a big problem in our culture, with the media and the culture teaching children not to respect their parents, the youth not to respect their elders, and wives not to respect their husbands. Some people don't really have a standard for what proper respect is in their own mind and just live out the 'script' they saw in their parents or other role models' marriages growing up, what they see on TV, what they hear from their friends, etc.

Are you and your wife both believers? If you are, you have some common ground to start from. One thing that seems to be true of many women is that they'd like to read a marriage book with their husband. If a wife got her husband a book on marriage for a gift, he'd think she was sending him a message that he's a bad husband. But if the husband gets his wife a book like that, then she thinks its wonderful that he wants to improve their marriage.

There are books that teach a wife to respect her husband. First and foremost is the Bible, of course. Ephesians 5 teaches this. Like Ephesians 5, Colossians 3 and I Peter 3 teach wives to submit to their husbands. I Peter 3 tells wives to have a 'meek and quite spirit.'

My wife and I are taking a Sunday school class where we read through 'Love and Respect' by Eggerich. I like the book. It teaches that men want to be respected and that women want to be loved. Each want both, but each gender has a stronger need in one direction or the other. The book talks about a 'crazy cycle' where the wife says something that she doesn't mean to be disrespectful, but it is disrespectful from the husband's perspective, so the husband responds in a way that his wife doesn't feel loved (or stonewalls and doesn't engage in conversation which makes her feel unloved) which keeps them going on a 'crazy cycle.'

There may be some things you are doing that she perceives as unloving even though you are not trying to be. She also may not realize that what she is doing is disrespectful. The Love and Respect book teaches 'unconditional respect' in marriage. A lot of people don't have a problem hearing 'unconditional love' in marriage, but haven't heard 'unconditional respect.'

The Sunday school class I'm taking is good. We discuss issues in a big group and then in same-gender groups. What's really good about it is you learn how the opposite gender ticks. I think the Eggerich's book is a good way to get a modern-minded woman raised in this environment to move toward a more Biblical attitude toward her husband than what she'd learn from our society. It does it in a kind of soft way, not a heavy-hammered fundamentalist approach. Generally, I like the book, though there are a few points here or there I'd modify if I'd had the background and ability to write a book like that, but that's the case with just about any book one likes.

There are lots of other books you could read if she's an unbeliever, too. A good marriage counselor should be able to identify some disrespectful attitudes and behaviors and root them out. The Eggerich's book is good, too, because there may be some things you are doing to stir up the disrespect.

If your wife is grumpy toward you in general, there may be some things you can do to warm things up between you. If you come home and she's there, greet her with a big smile. Insist on giving her a long kiss and a hug. Tell her you like it if she greets you at the door when she sees you. (It's good to greet the kids with enthusiasm, too.) Kiss her before you go to work. My wife likes it if I sit down and drink tea or coffee with her and talk. That's a simple thing, but there may be some little thing that will warm her up to you a little.

You could also point your wife toward April Cassidy's youtube channel or her blog called The Peaceful Wife. Her testimony is that she thought she was such a good Christian wife, but she read a book that caused her to see some of her mistakes as a wife. She realized she was disrespectful and controlling toward her husband. So she repented and changed, and now has a blog and videos to teach women with the same issues she had. She almost tears up talking about how she treated her husband before, and it's a real impactful testimony, I think. Her husband has a blog The Respected Husband, but he doesn't seem to be as active on it as his wife is on hers.

As far as divorce goes, no I don't think you should get a divorce. If you divorce your wife over this and marry someone else, that's adultery (Matthew 19.) From a biological need/desire point of view, at 43 having been married all those years, do you want to commit to life long celibacy until your wife dies? Most important is to walk right with the Lord and divorcing, aside from sin involved in leavings one wife, could also leave you and her open to temptation to sexual sin. If you've got children, you could be subjecting yourself to visiting them on weekends and having them call another man 'daddy.' Child support and/or alimony could have you living out of a car or your parents basement. There are lots of reasons not to divorce.
 

blue_ladybug

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I recently (abt 15min ago) read abt an article on divorce titled "Why God hates Divorce?" It was interesting tht the writer said tht some of the possible reasons were 1. "Divorce exact a high price and returns little in long-term wellbeing. It damages the two spouses, but tht not the reason God hates it." 2."The effects it has on children.....early pregnancy ,school drop out,drugs etc."

He also stated there are justifications for divorce. He compares Earthly marriage to the bridge and groom, and God and Israel(Hosea 2:13, 16, 19 ,20)Discribe Gods attitudes to Israel n how he tries to allure her. With all this said. I can conclude tht you need to try to allure her. If tht doesnt work. Ask yourself wht would God do? n no you dnt hv to be God. You just hv to justify your actions with God.

​Since when do grooms marry bridges? lol :)
 
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Kaycie

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If you have relationship trouble with your child do you say, " I don't know if this is going to work out, maybe we should call it quits."? Ridiculous. When you marry, that person is your family! Jesus gives only one reason for divorce, and a lack of specific feelings isn't it. It would be a reason a boyfriend and girlfriend could break up, but marriage is for life.

I hate that your wife is trying to make you feel that way, but you don't have to accept it. I identify with you, people bullied my feelings but now I don't let let them. Imagine how you would react if she didn't do that, and react that way anyways. A bully thrives on the power of causing a negative reaction, don't react negatively. If she says, "you're so stupid, you can't do anything right!" You smile and say, " I love you too honey." if she gets so mad that you could heap coals on her head and they'd start burning, you've exposed her bad intention. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

" it is better to live on the corner of the roof than to share a house with a quarrelsome wife."
 

Reborn

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Some really good advice here.
Divorce is a touchy issue, each case is so unique.
Applying which advice is going to best work for you is a wise first step.
Trust me, if you can save it, then do so...and work at it, harder than any other goal you've ever tried to accomplish.
Run for that "I can still fix it" option...because its one of the worst things people go through, that can be avoided.

Children get the worst of it. The innocent bystanders.
There is a pain in their eyes that no amount of discussions will seem to take away.

Definitely check out "Why God Hates Divorce" suggested above.
Go back to the start, something was there, pray--God will lead.
I wish I had even a tenth of this advice when I made that horrible mistake myself.
God Bless.
 
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Tisha

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Hi,

He got engaged while we were going through a divorce and married once it was final. I recently remarried a good Christian man whom I am very happy with. It was a very difficult divorce but I have learnt great lessons and it has brought me closer to God. I am not a perfect Christian but each day gets better than the next.
Have a super day and may God bless you on this perfect day. :)
 
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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
There is little I can add to what's already been written. I've met a lot of guys with similar concerns, and used to take a small group of them to Promise Keepers conventions whenever one was fairly close. I would drive, listening to a constant flow of complaints about their marriages, making comments I felt were appropriate. All the meetings were fantastic. On our way home there has never been a dry eye, grown men bawling from the experiences. Each time my own marriage was strengthened. We were pointed to the Bible, and listened to seasoned advice. The main theme of those events is "Loving your wife" under many general titles.

Maybe you can't make it to one. But I want to tell you what happened to me. I filled out a questionnaire at an event. Upon self grading it, I discovered my wife actually loved me already. In fact, she both respected me and began to love me while dating. I didn't know. She had been raised up with much higher ideals than I knew about. She was taught to respect everyone God might have put in her life. I, too dense of a young man had to have my nose rubbed in that by godly men. Our problem was simply not being able to communicate love and respect between us, and us and God. It seemed far easier to tell someone at church I loved them. Well, when I got home I began working on the many ways to express love for my wife. I knew I wasn't going to have to earn respect. I already had it. I had to learn how she viewed that, then never betray that virtue in me and in her. It takes a lot of work, months, years, and we've still at it after 47 years.

It turned out a woman benefited so much from her husband going to one of those meetings that she began a ministry counseling other women with the things she had learned. They became a group, working on finding ways to encourage other husbands to go. For the couples that couldn't afford it, they secretly raised money and bought tickets and made hotel reservations. They then arranged for a man to use the church bus to offer the free ride there and back. Very few declined a free "guys night out" over a weekend. The result over the next 10 years was formation of powerful marriages and ministries out of those. Many years later all of them I can track down are still going strong, with children active in church even while away at college.

It wold accelerate your solution to attend something like that, or maybe even better a married couple retreat designed to reignite the original flame. But for a starter I'd like to see many here who are happily married begin a list of actual things to do. It has been emphasized the wife should respect, and the husband love. Now is the time to list the how's. What is a wife's respect? How is the husband's love to be expressed so she knows it is there? Should be begin a new thread?
 
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VioletReigns

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
Brother JKnotts, I don't completely understand your first sentence but I'm thinking there's a power struggle between you and your wife of 40 yrs. I don't condone any spouse being so submissive to the point of disobeying God. The Scripture instructs the husband to lay down his life for his wife as Jesus laid down His life for the church ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD THE FATHER.

Jesus didn't lay His life down like a rug for the church to walk on. He gave His life (His will) as an example of submitting to God's will. Jesus is our Headship. Husbands are the head of a marriage as an example of obedience to the Father, not as a rug for their wives.

I don't know what situations, what "things" you are doing for yourself that your wife is in objection to. But I advise you get counseling in communicating to your wife how you feel disregarded and disrespected. You say that she has been demeaning to you from the get go. You have allowed her to control you all these years and now it has zapped you of your love for her. That's a tough situation, no doubt.

But godly love is not emotions, agape love is a choice. If you truly want this marriage to endure in Christ, you will have to re-establish your boundaries with your wife. Communication is the key. You will have to learn to find your place as the head of that marriage and the way to do it is seek God's Will through wise counsel. You're going to need spiritual support from your pastor and mature, godly men from your church.

You need to earn the trust of your wife and the way to do is to be trustworthy. When you stand strong, taking your place as a responsible, godly husband and refuse to be a rug for her to walk on, she will learn to respect you.

I honestly wish I could tell you how to be strong and wise in your own household, but I will leave that to the godly men on this site who are much better equipped to instruct husbands how to stand firm in obeying God's will for you as Christ-like head of your home.

My concern is that there are too many power struggles and too little godly instruction in Christian marriages these days. There is so much manipulation, coercion, abuse and neglect between spouses that it distresses me. People need to learn what the will of God is and obey Him. Never does the Word tell us to submit to people to the point we obey them like a slave. Being submissive to God's will means standing strong in Him, trusting in His Word for our lives.

I am so sorry your marriage feels loveless and you feel overwhelmed by your wife's disrespect. Even so, stand now in Jesus and begin to learn who He is in your life and who you are in Him. Again, I recommend counseling and ask the mighty men of God on this site to help you be the head of your home in the strength, the grace and the lovingkindness of Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Marian29

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
Don't give up. You're precious to the Lord. If you're suffering now, is because the victory is coming soon. Keep trusting in the Lord, reading the Bible, and prayers, He will let you know the right time and the right thing to do. Certainly He doesn't want you to divorce, but the enemy want it and make lots of couples divorce every day. Don't let the enemy delude you, aask for God providence, since you are a believer, the Lord won't leave you, even if it seems to be difficult, for a long time, our God is the God of impossible things.

When we have difficulty with the refrigerator, we understand that manufacturer, who wrote the user manual, know more about the device than us. Read the manual to solve the problem. When we see so many problems in today's families, only makes sense that our Creator, who wrote the "user manual", know more about the family than us. We need to read the manual to find how to build and maintain good homes. We find these instructions in the Bible. It guides us in every aspect of service to him, including performing our roles in the family.

God bless you today and always.

 
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honeybee

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a man told me that divorce should never enter the back door do not even threaten it their is scripture about divorce
 

DiscipleDave

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My wife continues to non trusting that Incan do anything for myself which is totally not true because I have recently done things for myself and she knows it. Since the beginning of our marriage she has always been very demeaning, and I have put up with it form20 years. There is not alot of love left here wish it was not that way.
There are only three reasons for one to legally divorce in Gods eyes or to know it is to far gone to be Saved
1) she dies
2) you die
3) either of you commit sexual immorality

If it does not fit into one of those three categories, then there is Hope and it can be Saved.

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