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Dude653

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Maybe serving your country and defending the innocent is a way of serving God.
 
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Ultimatum77

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Er....King David? cough
What bushidoo said is fact, and just because were 20 somethings does not mean our views are wrong just because we are young....unlike other people in our generation we think for ourself and do not accept everything at face value...

What he has said is fact...everytime the economy goes down there is magically a boogey man enemy to make an excuse to go to war and war stimulates the economy....the goal of war is two fold: economic and population reduction.... they are always the reason to go to war if you look under the mask of patriotism and all that artificial junk that people are brainwashed into believing when the leaders and corporations don't give a damn about the people and use them as human resources to achieve their ends....

I applaud Bushido as a fellow brother in Christ that thinks for himself...that is the best attribute a person could have today and sadly one that is lacking from a lot of people my age....

If you don't believe me google a chart of economic depressions and war and you will find very close to each "recession" there is suddenly a war to stimulate the economy back to life again....this is not true for all wars but a vast majority of them are financial in nature but the masses are fed the propaganda that the enemy is out to get them when there really is none or the threat is embellished to be greater than it is....
 

Dude653

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I'm un apologetically patriotic. If you don't like your country then leave.
 
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Listen I'm just going to say this and be done with it.

By fighting in American wars, you are not preserving American freedom. That's not how liberty works. Nobody has fought for my right to trash the military since WWII and not a single Vet will be able to accurately explain to you how any wars between the Vietnam War and the Syrian War relates to American freedom or liberty (logically anyway). It's a new ballgame for women as you wont be "serving with soldiers who fight", you will now be eligible to be in a combat role.

Simply put, if you join the military, you wont be someone fighting for freedom. You will simply be a hitman for hire. You will be killing people in THEIR country, to advance America's agenda to set up military bases around Iran and destabilize every Middle Eastern country that decided not to use the Central Banking System. There's nothing Godly about serving your country (as it is incredibly corrupt) and you will in no way be serving the Lord by doing so.

Don't swallow any of the nationalist propaganda that gets thrown at you. Govern yourself.

Sincerely,
Someone who cares.

Alex Jones, is that you?
 
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psychomom

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I have been thinking about joining the military, but I have a few factories that play into my decision. The biggest being that my parents do not support this choice at all. I don't want to disappoint them because I know things will be difficult between us if I make the decision to join. My next concern is I don't feel led by the Holy Ghost to join; I just personally want to go, and last is this decision going to affect my Christian walk? How does the military view Christians? Any advice appreciated.
are you still reading?

pray, pray, pray.

i have a good friend from waaaayyy back in the 60s. ;)
he went to West Point and is a colonel in the army. he assures me the Lord is doing wonderful things in and through young people who serve. (i know him, so i believe it. most recently he was training troops in Afghanistan.)

does our government do terrible things with its armed forces? no doubt. :(
however, that doesn't change the fact individuals serve with the best of motives.
it's GOD who's in control, not man.

but srsly, little one... pray. and don't do anything till that's done.

Num. 6:24-26.
ellie
 
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kaylagrl

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What bushidoo said is fact, and just because were 20 somethings does not mean our views are wrong just because we are young....unlike other people in our generation we think for ourself and do not accept everything at face value...

What he has said is fact...everytime the economy goes down there is magically a boogey man enemy to make an excuse to go to war and war stimulates the economy....the goal of war is two fold: economic and population reduction.... they are always the reason to go to war if you look under the mask of patriotism and all that artificial junk that people are brainwashed into believing when the leaders and corporations don't give a damn about the people and use them as human resources to achieve their ends....

I applaud Bushido as a fellow brother in Christ that thinks for himself...that is the best attribute a person could have today and sadly one that is lacking from a lot of people my age....

If you don't believe me google a chart of economic depressions and war and you will find very close to each "recession" there is suddenly a war to stimulate the economy back to life again....this is not true for all wars but a vast majority of them are financial in nature but the masses are fed the propaganda that the enemy is out to get them when there really is none or the threat is embellished to be greater than it is....

I'll have to tell the people in my family that serve in the military this and see what their reaction is.
 
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Do you know this firsthand based on your own military experience?
This question literally makes no sense.

If I were arguing about why it's bad to rape people would you ask me "Do you know this firsthand based on your own experience as a rapist?" ?

Because that's what you just did.

Totally what WWI WW2 was about, murdering kids for fun. Gov't loves to murder kids just for kicks. Anyone who has served in the military appreciates that comment Im sure. Lost their lives,were maimed,left their wives and children to go to another country and murder kids. Man when I look at the beliefs of the 20 somethings on this site it scares me.
Lol first of all, I love how you mentioned the last 2 legitimate wars we fought....over half a century ago...to try and prove your point. Please, explain to me how any of the Middle Eastern wars between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria have been for American liberty. Explain to me how killing members of ISIS (a group that really has yet to do more damage to America than a high school mass shooter) on the other side of planet is preserving our rights to freely speak or carry arms.
I'll save you the time, there is no correlation between freedom and killing people on the other side of the planet. In fact, we are STILL losing our rights to free speech and bear arms, so either U.S. soldiers aren't killing enough people to preserve our rights or that's not really how it works.

Quote " any wars in the middle east is purely for government agenda"

How's that?
How isn't that? How in the world would you justify us sticking our noses in the Middle East? Why haven't we done anything for Darfur?

I'm un apologetically patriotic. If you don't like your country then leave.
I do love the classic "If you don't like your playground bully then go to another playground"

No. First of all, governments don't have a right to exist, let alone exert authority over others. There's a difference between loving the land you live on, and loving your baby-killing government. Yet another lie that "patriots" tell you.

How about if you don't like living peacefully among the Native Americans, you move back to Europe?
 
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popeye

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Listen I'm just going to say this and be done with it.

By fighting in American wars, you are not preserving American freedom. That's not how liberty works. Nobody has fought for my right to trash the military since WWII and not a single Vet will be able to accurately explain to you how any wars between the Vietnam War and the Syrian War relates to American freedom or liberty (logically anyway). It's a new ballgame for women as you wont be "serving with soldiers who fight", you will now be eligible to be in a combat role.

Simply put, if you join the military, you wont be someone fighting for freedom. You will simply be a hitman for hire. You will be killing people in THEIR country, to advance America's agenda to set up military bases around Iran and destabilize every Middle Eastern country that decided not to use the Central Banking System. There's nothing Godly about serving your country (as it is incredibly corrupt) and you will in no way be serving the Lord by doing so.

Don't swallow any of the nationalist propaganda that gets thrown at you. Govern yourself.

Sincerely,
Someone who cares.
Korea was legit.

Ask most any s Korean. We did well there.

Vietnam almost worked. We could have finished it.

Gulf war saved Kuwait.

Most of our modern wars are a joke,with Obama as a clown officer,that has mixed allegiance to Islam.

It is a joke.

What Obama has done is desecrate the holy ground of our fallen and maimed vets
 
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Korea was legit.

Ask most any s Korean. We did well there.

Vietnam almost worked. We could have finished it.

Gulf war saved Kuwait.

Most of our modern wars are a joke,with Obama as a clown officer,that has mixed allegiance to Islam.

It is a joke.

What Obama has done is desecrate the holy ground of our fallen and maimed vets
Although I agree with the last part,

Korea, Nam, and the Gulf war had nothing to do with America or its freedom.

It was politics
 

Dude653

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This question literally makes no sense.

If I were arguing about why it's bad to rape people would you ask me "Do you know this firsthand based on your own experience as a rapist?" ?

Because that's what you just did.



Lol first of all, I love how you mentioned the last 2 legitimate wars we fought....over half a century ago...to try and prove your point. Please, explain to me how any of the Middle Eastern wars between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria have been for American liberty. Explain to me how killing members of ISIS (a group that really has yet to do more damage to America than a high school mass shooter) on the other side of planet is preserving our rights to freely speak or carry arms.
I'll save you the time, there is no correlation between freedom and killing people on the other side of the planet. In fact, we are STILL losing our rights to free speech and bear arms, so either U.S. soldiers aren't killing enough people to preserve our rights or that's not really how it works.



How isn't that? How in the world would you justify us sticking our noses in the Middle East? Why haven't we done anything for Darfur?



I do love the classic "If you don't like your playground bully then go to another playground"

No. First of all, governments don't have a right to exist, let alone exert authority over others. There's a difference between loving the land you live on, and loving your baby-killing government. Yet another lie that "patriots" tell you.

How about if you don't like living peacefully among the Native Americans, you move back to Europe?
so should we abolish government and have anarchy?
 
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Ultimatum77

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Although I agree with the last part,

Korea, Nam, and the Gulf war had nothing to do with America or its freedom.

It was politics
Totally true, it was used to destabilize regions and establish bases/footholds in those countries and didn't affect any "freedom" in the US. I have even talked to a veteran from the vietnam war and he agrees with me that it was nothing more than a way for population reduction especially using the draft as a tool to enlist young men....this decreases the population b/c less males to reproduce....I found it fascinating that he as a veteran thought the same way I did about it and probed him further...he said that what was committed on the vietnamese people were war crimes and that his own govt (us) sprayed him down with agent orange to test it out on him and his fellow soldiers....there are many stories of this on the internet as well....your guys govt sucks plain and simple...and does not reflect the true values/people of America....
 
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Ultimatum77

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I'll have to tell the people in my family that serve in the military this and see what their reaction is.
They will probably get mad (just forewarning you) b/c they have been taught/brainwashed by the military to be uber-patriotic and accept everything they are told.....that's what the military does....it breaks the individuality of people to make them assimilate to the group without thought about their actions and it's consequences....then later when they break off the group and come back to being an individual and no longer in "group think" that is when the PTSD sets in and they have to face the flashbacks of their choices that they made in the theatre of war.....

The military is the worst thing to join especially post 2000....you'd have to want suicide to join......

an excerpt from this article which is long but well worth the reading:

"The war is to cover the domestic eradication of civil liberties, while on foreign lands to cover the narcotics monopoly in Afghan soil. It remains a highly profitable business, set with vertical integration and enjoying full USGovt agency protection. The profits range from $800 billion to $1.2 trillion per year, the costs mostly covered by sleepy dopey dullard taxpayers. The nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan will be judged by history to be rather empty. The drone strikes on civilian centers and helicopter gunship target practice on civilians will be remembered well. When discussion of chemical weapons takes place, let the white phosphorus that rained on Fallujah Iraq in 2003 be remembered"

Jim Willie: Myths, Lies, Deceptions, & Millstones | Silver Doctors
 
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kaylagrl

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This question literally makes no sense.

If I were arguing about why it's bad to rape people would you ask me "Do you know this firsthand based on your own experience as a rapist?" ?

Because that's what you just did.



Lol first of all, I love how you mentioned the last 2 legitimate wars we fought....over half a century ago...to try and prove your point. Please, explain to me how any of the Middle Eastern wars between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria have been for American liberty. Explain to me how killing members of ISIS (a group that really has yet to do more damage to America than a high school mass shooter) on the other side of planet is preserving our rights to freely speak or carry arms.
I'll save you the time, there is no correlation between freedom and killing people on the other side of the planet. In fact, we are STILL losing our rights to free speech and bear arms, so either U.S. soldiers aren't killing enough people to preserve our rights or that's not really how it works.



How isn't that? How in the world would you justify us sticking our noses in the Middle East? Why haven't we done anything for Darfur?



I do love the classic "If you don't like your playground bully then go to another playground"

No. First of all, governments don't have a right to exist, let alone exert authority over others. There's a difference between loving the land you live on, and loving your baby-killing government. Yet another lie that "patriots" tell you.

How about if you don't like living peacefully among the Native Americans, you move back to Europe?

Quote "Lol first of all, I love how you mentioned the last 2 legitimate wars we fought....over half a century ago..."

Did we...did we just agree on something? Oh no I think hell actually did just freeze over!:p


Quote "Please, explain to me how any of the Middle Eastern wars between the war in Afghanistan and the war in Syria have been for American liberty."

I really think that Bush thought nation building would work. I think he actually thought if we showed them democracy they would learn to live in peace and leave their neighbors alone. Every leader has tried something in the middle east,tried to form some sort of peace. You and I both know whats going on in the ME. Nothing will be solved there until the anti-christ takes over and gives false peace,then total destruction. The best we can do is try to keep them from genocide like the head case in Syria is doing. Everyone wanted to leave Hitler to himself and it took Churchill to raise the alarm.

Quote " Explain to me how killing members of ISIS (a group that really has yet to do more damage to America than a high school mass shooter) on the other side of planet is preserving our rights to freely speak or carry arms."

ISIS like Hitlers Nazis are on the move.Once they have a caliphate we will see how much damage they will do to the world.They aren't stopping,they want to turn the world on its head.The San Bernadino couple were linked back to ISIS.Irregardless of that they are beheading Christians, raping woman and children and sawing children in half,just a few of the horror stories.Morally its is the US,the superpower,that needs to lead the way and stop these maniacs. They are committing genocide. And dont tell me its not happening,they said the same of the Jews and millions of them were murdered before the US woke up to the truth.

Quote "we are STILL losing our rights to free speech and bear arms"

We're not losing our right to free speech and bearing arms,we are giving it up!! We are electing liberal loons that are soft core dictators into office that want to ban guns and free speech. And they are telling our young people in college that being PC should be more protected than free speech. We blame it on the college but who raised these kids!!?? How come they don't understand freedom of the press and free speech?! Who didn't teach them that people died to give them that right!? Who didn't teach them that the country was founded on the right to bear arms? Its not the schools job,though it ought to be taught,its the parents job! Im Canadian and I know these things.

Yesterday,several high schools were shut down in Nova Scotia,my cousin called me in a panic,she knew a kid that was in one of the schools.I'm from NS and they have very strict gun laws. Why were the schools on lock down? Give you one guess. Weapons,they found a bag of weapons in the woods nearby. How are teenagers getting guns in a gun free country? But liberal loons will tell you a ban on guns will work.No,people have fought and died for our rights its just some of us are too stupid to protect those rights. We'd rather be PC than offend anyone. We'd rather give up our freedoms than label anyone. Nothing is being taken from us,we're surrendering without a shot fired.
 
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Show it to me in the Bible and we'll talk. I don't recall self rule anywhere in the Bible.
John 18:36
Our King is not of this world.
Would a picture of Jesus Christ saying the pledge of allegiance not be blasphemous?

And the entire story of the Israelites (before Saul, you know, before everything started going downhill) was the story of an anarchist society.
 
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first comes the 'Grapes of Wrath' -
second comes, '1984', that BOOK is closed -
then comes, 'Gone with the Wind', that BOOK is closed -
for it is written,
'A kingdom divided against itself, it cannot stand....
 
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kaylagrl

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John 18:36
Our King is not of this world.
Would a picture of Jesus Christ saying the pledge of allegiance not be blasphemous?

And the entire story of the Israelites (before Saul, you know, before everything started going downhill) was the story of an anarchist society.
No, the Israelites always had a loose form of gov't. There were judges and elders,they had capitol punishment. It didn't take long for things to fall into chaos and they asked God for a king.