Divorce help

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Abing

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Here's a question. What if your spouse leaves you? Like because they're unhappy for whatever reason. So they leave you.. they decide they absolutely do not want to reconcile.. they want to move on with their life. You have done everything you can to hold on to the marriage yet they still walk out. Well then what. Are you all saying you are then not free to re-marry if someone else comes along? Or are you destinecd to remain single for the rest of your life. I mean THEY left you.

Just a scenario I'm throwing out there...
Any thoughts?
1Cor:7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman
is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

JER 3:1 "If a man divorces his wife and she leaves him and marries another
man, should he return to her again? Would not the land be completely
defiled? But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers-- would you
now return to me?" declares the LORD

*Does that mean, even if he leaves his wife, she is not free to re-marry?
*Because them two should reunite? And. hehe,

For God nothing shall be impossible
hehe :p
 
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Abing

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#42
Here's a question. What if your spouse leaves you? Like because they're unhappy for whatever reason. So they leave you.. they decide they absolutely do not want to reconcile.. they want to move on with their life. You have done everything you can to hold on to the marriage yet they still walk out. Well then what. Are you all saying you are then not free to re-marry if someone else comes along? Or are you destinecd to remain single for the rest of your life. I mean THEY left you.

Just a scenario I'm throwing out there...
Any thoughts?
1Cor:7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman
is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

JER 3:1 "If a man divorces his wife and she leaves him and marries another
man, should he return to her again? Would not the land be completely
defiled? But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers-- would you
now return to me?" declares the LORD

*Does that mean, even if he leaves his wife, she is not free to re-marry?
*Because them two should reunite? And. hehe,

You have done everything you can to hold on to the marriage yet they still walk out. Well then what. Are you all saying you are then not free to re-marry if someone else comes along? Or are you destinecd to remain single for the rest of your life. I mean THEY left you.

Just a scenario I'm throwing out there...
Any thoughts?
For God nothing shall be impossible
hehe :p



GAAAAH 2 mins is not enough
 
Feb 9, 2007
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#43
If it's a Christian spouse, and they leave and do not remarry, you are to stay single. If it's an unbelieving spouse and they leave you are no longer bound to that covenant
 
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rockforjesus

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I don't have scripture reference but I think I have heard my pastor preach that if, it's an abusive relationship and the other person is not a believer then, it shoudn't be a bad thing to have a divorce. My parents are getting a divorce and they were about to have there 19th aniversery but my dad is abusive and my mom can't handle it anymore. So, if you are feeling too overwhelmed by your spouse, that's what I have to say.
 
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Kaitlin

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#45
If it's a Christian spouse, and they leave and do not remarry, you are to stay single. If it's an unbelieving spouse and they leave you are no longer bound to that covenant
This brings up some questions
What if the abusive spouse is a christian by name only and there is no evidence that this person has truly been born again?
What if the abusive spouse is a christian by name only but still you might say that this person has been born again - but if we could look into the heart like God does, we'd only see darkness? The abused person would actually have been free to remarry, but never knew.
Only God sees our hearts, how can we tell for sure if an abusive person is saved or not? Can someone being so cruel to the one s/he should love inconditionally in everything be truly saved?
Say the abusive spouse is truly a born again believer, but the abused person concludes that the other person can definitely not be born again, s/he divorces and remarries as s/he thought s/he was no longer bound to the covenant?
 
Oct 11, 2008
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KAITLIN!!!!!

THAT IS SERIOUSLY ONE OF THE MOST BRILLIANT THINGS I HAVE READ. GOOD JOB! People have been posting some of the most heartless, unmerciful sounding things on this thread and its really disheartening. People, who for the most part, have not gone through what some people have gone through. Until you go through it, you don't understand fully the impact it has on you. But God is love and mercy. Not harsh. And,l God does not want one of his children to be abused. Say what you want to people as you are uninvolved, but, if its your daughter who is being abused by someone, see how black and white you are then.

Kudos Kaitlin, it's nice to see someone using the wisdom that God gives us as well....
 

erika83

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I've lived with divorce my whole life,
both my parents and my own. My father was an alcoholic and my family has taken in hurting people for years. I have seen abuse in their lives, I have taken abuse in my marriage, and i have seen abuse in my children's lives from their mother. I believe the Bible is clear on Divorce. God said originally divorce was allowed because of hardness of heart. That is really the core issue of Divorce, hardness of heart. For marriage is a laying down of ones life for another. God is Love and Love is an outward selfless giving act. It's a covenant not a contract. Covenantual marriage is a marriage based on the kind of Love that God is , Unconditional. That means that you came into your marriage covenant saying that YOU will Love them unconditionally. That means you vowed to keep your end of the bargain (covenant) regardless if the other person does. The worlds view of marriage is contractual, which means you keep your part of the contract then I'll keep mine. That is not Biblical. The worlds view of marriage is , what is in it for me? If it doesn't bring me happiness and they don't meet their responsibility to bring me happiness then i move on to someone else. God's view is Marriage is a cherished view of how God loves us and is a life time commitment to the extent that a person is no longer just themselves, they are one flesh with their spouse, a newly created person from the Two individuals. A very serious thing in God's eyes. Marriage isn't about happiness it's about commitment.
That being said, The Bible is clear on the Biblical breaking of the covenant of marriage. The First is, an adopted lifestyle by one's spouse of sexual immorality. The second is, marrying an unbeliever and the unbeliever no longer wants to be married. Those are the ONLY Biblically accepted reasons to break a marriage covenant. God hates divorce. It's not the answer as people think it is.
Marriage is to represent God's Love for his people. Abuse is not an example of that,regardless of what type. You are not to be abused.
No one is. Abuse is in no way Biblical. It has NO place in marriage. That being said, a person in an abusive marriage has the hardest calling. To stay married, love the abuser, hate the sin, Separate, but NOT divorce.
in other words, the Bible states that you are to separate from your abusive spouse, until reconciling is possible and you can have a marriage that would honor God. If that's not possible, you are to stay married, but be separated. Even if that's for years and the rest of your life. You are only free to remarry if your spouse dies, or commits adultery or moves into an illegitimate marriage. God see's marriage that seriously. If you are in a situation where you are married but separated, and there is no reconciliation, God at that point becomes responsible to stand in the gap and be a husband to you ,a father to your children and meet your needs which he does. If you email me back i can give you the Bible passages that show what I've explained. And if your interested some advice on some healthy ways to go about Tough Love. Love that does the right hard thing for the sake of others. Praying for you and your family. A brother in Christ, zander PS. God's will is for your marriaged to be healed and prayers for that are of utmost importance. The Bible states that if we perservere in prayer God hears us. BUT.... that doesn't mean because you have faith in prayer that he will change and that God will impose his will on your husband, God can bring about things to change a person's heart, but he won't force them to. That is an act of the will. Be encouraged, God does work miracles, exspecially if he's a Christian :)
Excellent post and i totally agree. To those saying we are harsh, the poster of this thread asked us what the Bible says about divorce, not what we think. And the Bible is pretty clear, even though we would like to add our own reasonings.
 
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iraasuup

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Like I said initally... I agree wholeheartedly with the bible BUT I do also agree with Ash72 on the fact that there are many situations in life (this clearly being one of them) when we as well-meaning Christians probably have NO IDEA what is really going on in a situation until we are actually faced with it. We are clearly outsiders who are quick to jump in with advice and scriptures and tell people what they should or shouldn't do. Quite frankly, I think we should all take a step back. Sometimes there is WAY MORE going on behind the scenes than we could ever understand.. and God see's the bigger picture! By us putting our two cents worth in and telling someone you must stay with your spouse or you must do this or you must say that only adds pressure to the situation. If anything we can fuel the fire! If there is one thing that annoys me more than ANYTHING in church circles it's when people who say they are your friends and want to support you.. start judging you based on scripture. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!! The best thing we can do for anyone we know in a marriage crisis situation is pray for them, support them, and genuninely be their friend. In case you haven't noticed.. if they're going through divorce they're already losing their best friend .. the one person they thought would be with them forever.. they don't need everyone else walking out on them aswell. Having said all of that, I'm not saying you should encourage divorce by any means, but we need to all understand not every situation is black and white.. it's just not that simple, and as Christians we are called to LOVE ONE ANOTHER. So we need to support each other, come what may, you know? God doesn't judge us, or our past.. We're all sinners (and so unworthy of His love) He accepts us, loves us for who we are, even though we've slipped up sooo many times, and continues to do so.. so why are we so quick to judge each other?
 
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damon

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i think we tend to judge each other so that we dont have to look at ourselves, and in that is the problem, I'm divorced myself, didn't want to be but after boyfriend number 5 had to let her go, I don't just blame her, like anything else it takes 2, but I didn't look enough at myself to see what I was lacking in till after the fact, I still don"t know if doing things diff. would of mattered then but I know now that if I focus on being the man God calls me to be instead of what issues others might have He will put things right and I wont have to worry about it
 
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damon

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after reading more of the posts I have to agree that a saved s/he who truly let the Lord in their heart would put their spouse first,i've heard more then once the verce missused that a woman should obey her husband but if the husband is a man of God he'll love his wife with the love Christ gave the church, self sacrificing, put her before himself and no, we dont need to judge, but we will KNOW them by their fruit, if the fruit is bad the tree is lost
 
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carpetmanswife

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#51
for the record i spoke from experience , and the word backs me up .
 
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Jaykay104

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I pray for peace in your husband. I truly believe that Jesus is The Restorer, and that He has your answer.
 
Oct 11, 2008
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Once again you see people reading black and white, even some now "speaking from experience," etc, but, your experience is not hers, not mine, not anyone else's. It is her decision with her God and she is responsible souly for that. I without any hesitation am convinced that God would not want a woman in an abusive situation and if someone wants to think otherwise, you wont find any biblical reasoning for OR against it. The fact is, abuse was never brought up in the bible. There is a situation now that is left for that person and God to decide. The bible doesnt cover EVERY situation that we face, but it gives us guidlines. Abuse is not mentioned. Nobody can tell this person or anyone to stay in an abusive situation, nor should you. What kind of wisdom is staying married to someone but being separated, for the rest of one's life? And what kind of wisdom to say it is someone's calling to stay married to someone abusive. That's not a calling in the bible. It's a dangerous situation and like other people have mentioned, that's not the fruit of a christian husband or wife who is abusive.

Shame shame people forget wisdom and grace..I'm done with this. Happy posting! But be carefull all of you who tell someone to stay in harm's way, that advice is not sound.
 
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KristenNicole777

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I have to agree with Ash along with tid bits of what others have said. The Bible doesnt speak out against physical or mental abuse froma spouse, only adultery yes.. I have not been married as of yet so i have no experience to relate to on that but my parents did divorce when i was 13, and it was the BEST decison that could have been made. No my dad wasnt running around, he also was a Christian but not a true active one. He went to church on Easter and etc... He abused my mom, and me and my brother (us not as bad as her) i wanted to kill my dad and had he touched my mom or me and my bro again i might would have tried. All im saying.... I am NOT for divorce, BUT if there is no way out from it i CANNOT believe that MY God would make someone stay in a relationship where they could eventually be killed.. God gave us common sense to make desicions.. anyone can take this however they want it, it is not meant as an insult or an argument starter. Just my 2 cents..
Love ya, God Bless and Good luck,
Ill be praying for you and your husband
 
Nov 14, 2008
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baptistrw perhaps if you didnt quote scriptures at her that are not appropriate in this situation, then perhaps you wouldnt need to defend yourself. NOW lets leave it alone
 
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NoahsMom

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Ash I just have to remark on what you posted, .....I feel you gave good, solid, christian advice. You spoke with honesty, and love and werent judgmetal. Im sure your words were helpful. Its ppl like you, that can reach ppl in need. Thank you.
 
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iraasuup

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Yes, Ash, that was very well put. I totally agree with you. Good job!
 
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carpetmanswife

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i must adopt iraasuups quote .. never underestimate the power of stupid ppl in large groups! ..i like that :p
 
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iraasuup

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Yeah, it's one of my favourites..I also really like
' never argue with an idiot - they drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience'.

Quite apt for this thread for this thread don't you think?