Are schools raising our children wrong?

[Foger]

First a loud bell between classes. Flooding them into the halls, with a loud bell sounds like we almost want them to be animals. Pressure to be responsible at young ages, when we don't have to be anywhere in five minutes as adults. Does the army? Maybe them. Population and crowds, can bring bad habits. Confusion, anger. Like road rage. Like car traffic, but kids get this every school day. Should children get more peace? Humans lie. One of our weakness is a tendency to lie, all the time, especially in children. Are they being pressured? Set defensive way too soon? Some speak harshly to their kids. Did you spill the milk? Scaring them ,I believe, and a lie comes. Schools, the pressure can do the same thing, I believe. Rules and pressure at young ages, that is unneeded. How many of us have lied, before we're ten? Minds are still developing at young ages. I think they need peace.

Unneeded class changes, when they could sit in one class. Maybe get a extended gym class for exercise. Teachers changing rooms, and kids in place much longer. Maybe standing breaks. Do they even need lockers? Could books be left in a class? Or class changes at different times, and less changes. Spreading kids out more if we could afford it. Maybe older student volunteers watching a class, and the teacher, working two rooms, with what she needs to teach. I don't think it cost that much more to build schools bigger when we do. especially going up.

Kids need to be babied. Cherished as precious cargo, we don't want scratched. One day of school, can scratch them forever.

I'm guessing numbers here.. Five in a hundred bullied. Ten in the hundred doing the bullying. Seventy of the hundred turning their heads. Smiling, or laughing at the ten, trying to fit in and survive. I think few come through schools un corrupted, in small ways. I think our schools are bad. Corrupting children before they're old enough to think. Teaching them to follow the crowd, and sell out. Going to school shouldn't be forced, as it's like child abuse. But, if we must vote, supporting it, shouldn't we vote for changes? For more care on our kids?

 

[Jenizona]

First a loud bell between classes. Flooding them into the halls, with a loud bell sounds like we almost want them to be animals. Pressure to be responsible at young ages, when we don't have to be anywhere in five minutes as adults. Does the army? Maybe them. Population and crowds, can bring bad habits. Confusion, anger. Like road rage. Like car traffic, but kids get this every school day. Should children get more peace? Humans lie. One of our weakness is a tendency to lie, all the time, especially in children. Are they being pressured? Set defensive way too soon? Some speak harshly to their kids. Did you spill the milk? Scaring them ,I believe, and a lie comes. Schools, the pressure can do the same thing, I believe. Rules and pressure at young ages, that is unneeded. How many of us have lied, before we're ten? Minds are still developing at young ages. I think they need peace.

Unneeded class changes, when they could sit in one class. Maybe get a extended gym class for exercise. Teachers changing rooms, and kids in place much longer. Maybe standing breaks. Do they even need lockers? Could books be left in a class? Or class changes at different times, and less changes. Spreading kids out more if we could afford it. Maybe older student volunteers watching a class, and the teacher, working two rooms, with what she needs to teach. I don't think it cost that much more to build schools bigger when we do. especially going up.

Kids need to be babied. Cherished as precious cargo, we don't want scratched. One day of school, can scratch them forever.

I'm guessing numbers here.. Five in a hundred bullied. Ten in the hundred doing the bullying. Seventy of the hundred turning their heads. Smiling, or laughing at the ten, trying to fit in and survive. I think few come through schools un corrupted, in small ways. I think our schools are bad. Corrupting children before they're old enough to think. Teaching them to follow the crowd, and sell out. Going to school shouldn't be forced, as it's like child abuse. But, if we must vote, supporting it, shouldn't we vote for changes? For more care on our kids?

Yup, schools are horrible. But that's where parenting comes in.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

it's not the schools job to raise your children

 

[Nautilus]

You should be raising the children. School is where they go for an education not to be raised. And 98% of your points are junk-psychology at best.

 

[Galahad]

The government demands we send our children to school or that we provide them with learning, home schooling.

Government has no business demanding such.

Public schools have children at school as early as 7:30 (for breakfast) and as late as 6:00 pm for after school care.

The homework is piled on. Often taking up weekends.

Little time left for parents to teach their children the bible, to spend time with children.

Our school system is not a substitute for godly parenting.

And there's much more that could be said.

 

[Pilkington]

Maybe it is slightly different in the UK. Primary schools up to 11 tend to start school around ten to nine, and finish at 3.20. My son's school has a breakfast club from 8 if you want. No after school provision except some clubs which finish around 4.15. We are starting to see longer school days however I see it as the government providing cheap/free childcare or possible to reduce the time they are being poorly parented or in abusive home situations. It is not good or beneficial to children who come from loving home environments to have overly long days. There are so many good things they can learn outside the classroom.

 

[PoetMary]

Several posts here contain quite a bit of rhetoric.

Actually, kids DON'T need to be babied. Many of the problems we're seeing with millennials is that they have been *far too coddled* by adults and are unable to handle adult decisions and responsibilities. It might be useful to read some recent scholarship regarding "helicopter parenting."

Bells don't hurt people, or make them "animalistic." In the Middle Ages, there were many locations that had churches with clock towers that CHIMED to let people know the time. When your phone "rings" you don't become crazy. Lots of people wake up to buzzing or binging alarms in the morning...doesn't seem to affect their sanity or cause them to engage in inappropriate or inhuman behaviors.

The idea that most students are walking around angry most of the time is simply not true. As someone who has worked with students for 21 years, I can let you know that the vast majority of students experience a variety of moods over the course of their school day. Most students enjoy school most of the time. The students who experience a lot of anger usually bring it with them from home.

Schools (generally speaking) aren't "corrupting" children. Life corrupts children. Children lie way before they ever arrive at school. Most toddlers will lie/misrepresent/dissemble to their parents to get out of trouble. If you don't believe me, just ask a toddler who ate the chocolate, or broke the toy, or knocked over the glass.

There have always been bullies in schools and there have always been kids who've been bullied. There is no way that parents or schools can protect children 100% from mean people. Negotiating social situations is part of life and part of learning. HOW students handle these situations is largely dependent on parental expectation and response. If parents expect their child to be popular, students will do a lot of compromising to fit in. If parents call basic childhood interactions "bullying" (like a kid taking another kid's toy in Pre-K), they will train their student to be a victim and react accordingly.

The average start time of most schools in the U.S. is 8:00-8:30. Some students arrive earlier if they are bus riders, or if their parents drop them off early due to work. Additionally, no public grade school student is required to stay in school until 6:00pm. If they are there that long, it's because the parents VOLUNTARILY take advantage of after-school programs in lieu of paying for childcare. It's possible that high school students (athletes and marching band members) might have later leave times due to after-school practice. There are also some charter schools that require longer days for various academic reasons.

Finally, the reason most parents struggle to spend time with their children has MORE to do with the schedules of the parents (and their priorities) rather than the schedules of the students. For example, let's just pretend that a third-grader has two hours of homework a day (which is rather unlikely). School ends at 3:00-3:30. Mother picks up the child, they have a snack and begin homework. Child FINISHES homework at around 6:00pm, just in time for dinner. The family sits down and eats dinner together (which, let's be honest, most families don't bother to do anymore). And now we have a couple of hours of evening time to spend together before the child has to go to bed. That's plenty of time to read the bible, play board games, dance in the kitchen to 80s music, take the dog for a walk, etc.

While public schooling is a popular target, it is no substitute for parents.

 

[NewWine]

When did schools become a substitute for parenting?
It's not a school's responsibility to educate my children.....they were only one tool I used. I had no problem correcting my children's education to include Biblical teachings, extra teaching on subjects I felt were important to master, social lessons on things like how to handle a bully and how to stand up for someone who can't do so for themselves, or whatever I feel is important......yes I actually had to spend time teaching my children outside their scheduled class time, but even then it didn't cut into family time.....it WAS family time. We spend our entire lives learning, so why we think children should only be confined to learning between the hours of 8-3 is beyond me.
But then again, my opinion only matters to me...so eh it is what it is.
Peace!!

 

[Foger]

Um do church bells give kids a five minute timer? The pressure? Do alarm clocks? Some pressure there, but they can set them early. this stuff doesn't apply.

I didn't say all were angry. I said, crowds, population, can increase anger, and frustration. Have you driven in a car? Have you been to a crowded mall?

Finally, have you been to school? All of this is true. They corrupted, us to go through them. Most schools. Here anyway. In America. In other countries you might have perfect schools.. I doubt it. You all know it's true, but don't want to think about it. I'm guilty to, I'm just pointing out, things that need fixed, instead of voting and encouraging the same thing.

 

[Foger]

They shouldn't be New Wine, but they take over, in most cases. Corrupting. Undoing good parenting in small ways. Schools, have changed most males themselves. Holding themselves well? Putting on a bold front? Trying to blend in and survive? Smile or turn heads when they see evil, or they become the target.

edit. Oh, and the obvious, training the child. Deciding what they learn. Most of it ok, though as far as I know.

 

[atwhatcost]

First a loud bell between classes. Flooding them into the halls, with a loud bell sounds like we almost want them to be animals. Pressure to be responsible at young ages, when we don't have to be anywhere in five minutes as adults. Does the army? Maybe them. Population and crowds, can bring bad habits. Confusion, anger. Like road rage. Like car traffic, but kids get this every school day. Should children get more peace? Humans lie. One of our weakness is a tendency to lie, all the time, especially in children. Are they being pressured? Set defensive way too soon? Some speak harshly to their kids. Did you spill the milk? Scaring them ,I believe, and a lie comes. Schools, the pressure can do the same thing, I believe. Rules and pressure at young ages, that is unneeded. How many of us have lied, before we're ten? Minds are still developing at young ages. I think they need peace.

Unneeded class changes, when they could sit in one class. Maybe get a extended gym class for exercise. Teachers changing rooms, and kids in place much longer. Maybe standing breaks. Do they even need lockers? Could books be left in a class? Or class changes at different times, and less changes. Spreading kids out more if we could afford it. Maybe older student volunteers watching a class, and the teacher, working two rooms, with what she needs to teach. I don't think it cost that much more to build schools bigger when we do. especially going up.

Kids need to be babied. Cherished as precious cargo, we don't want scratched. One day of school, can scratch them forever.

I'm guessing numbers here.. Five in a hundred bullied. Ten in the hundred doing the bullying. Seventy of the hundred turning their heads. Smiling, or laughing at the ten, trying to fit in and survive. I think few come through schools un corrupted, in small ways. I think our schools are bad. Corrupting children before they're old enough to think. Teaching them to follow the crowd, and sell out. Going to school shouldn't be forced, as it's like child abuse. But, if we must vote, supporting it, shouldn't we vote for changes? For more care on our kids?

Again, Christianity isn't a political view. AND you're guessing a lot more than numbers. You're obviously not interested in God, so why not take this to the conspiracy forum.

 

[NewWine]

They shouldn't be New Wine, but they take over, in most cases. Corrupting. Undoing good parenting in small ways. Schools, have changed most males themselves. Holding themselves well? Putting on a bold front? Trying to blend in and survive? Smile or turn heads when they see evil, or they become the target.

edit. Oh, and the obvious, training the child. Deciding what they learn. Most of it ok, though as far as I know.

I disagree with you, but that's okay. I just believe that schools shouldn't take the place of good parenting, and good parenting can replace all the crap a child could pick up at a school. Does that mean that every child of good parents will become good people? Nope, But we can't blame a school for that when we ALLOW our children to be there. Our children aren't forced into public school systems, parent make the choice to send them there (out of many reasons I know: work schedules, affordability of private schools over public schools or even choosing to homeschool) Whatever the reason, it's a choice we, as parents, make for our children, and until we're willing and able to make another choice, then we can't complain about it, unless we are willing to get into the school system and change it. But let's face reality here......most parents (not all but MOST), even those who have the time and availability, won't work in a school, sit on a board, go to a meeting or do anything to change things. We will sit here and complain about it instead, expecting someone else to hear us and change it. I made my choices. I have to live with those choices as do all parents.

 

[Willie-T]

When did schools become a substitute for parenting?
It's not a school's responsibility to educate my children.....they were only one tool I used. I had no problem correcting my children's education to include Biblical teachings, extra teaching on subjects I felt were important to master, social lessons on things like how to handle a bully and how to stand up for someone who can't do so for themselves, or whatever I feel is important......yes I actually had to spend time teaching my children outside their scheduled class time, but even then it didn't cut into family time.....it WAS family time. We spend our entire lives learning, so why we think children should only be confined to learning between the hours of 8-3 is beyond me. But then again, my opinion only matters to me...so eh it is what it is.
Peace!!

A big, AMEN.

 

[Foger]

By law, all children in the U.S. are required to go to school.* Public education is free, as is transportation to and from school (in most communities), and breakfast and lunch programs are provided for qualifying students. Private school education is also an option, as long as the minimum state compulsory attendance requirements are met. States differ on the minimum age to begin your education. Some require children who are five or six years old by a certain date (September 1, for example) to begin first grade. The rules vary slightly from state to state. In most states, parents who fail to send their children to school may be charged with education neglect. Consequences include community service hours, counseling, and/or jail. There are a few exceptions to the general attendance laws.

Nitpicking words? Its ok though, though it works either way. If your kids don't go to school, it's your fault for being too poor to use the options. Homeschooling, a pain, even if you have money .

 

[Jenizona]

If your kids don't go to school, it's your fault for being too poor to use the options.

Um.. .what? Could you clarify?

 

[Foger]

I'm not sure.. I make no sense sometimes. I think I meant.. if your kids go to school, and you don't want them to, then it's your fault for not being able to afford other options. Yes, that's it. I was being a little sarcastic. I can't write well sometimes.

 

[Jenizona]

I'm not sure.. I make no sense sometimes. I think I meant.. if your kids go to school, and you don't want them to, then it's your fault for not being able to afford other options. Yes, that's it. I was being a little sarcastic. I can't write well sometimes.

Alrighty... I was just curious. Sounds maybe like... if your kids go to public school, it's your fault for not being able to afford private schools? I agree completely. I really wish I could afford to send my kids to private schools, but I can't. I liked George W. Bush's idea of school vouchers so that we could send our kids to any school we wanted...that would have been nice.

 

[sassylady]

Parents should be raising their children, but the children not being raised properly are the ones making the problems for the rest. Then throw in Child Protective Services and the school's hands are tied and they don't discipline. I pulled my kids from school and home schooled them even though I was a single mom working full time. There's a point where the emotional and mental abuse is not worth sending out into that every day.

 

[Brent]

Well, schools are empowered by legislation that comes out of a legal concept known as "in loco parentis" (meaning, literally, from latin - "instead of the parent" or "as the alternate parent when the child is in this location"). So, the state says that, legally, the school takes over the parenting role for under age children, and are required to provide for the needs of children as any parent is required to do.

Yes, may schools are not in a good position to raise our kids. At least 19 states still allow school staff to hit children - even to bruise them, break blood vessels, and cause clotting. (They refer to it as "corporal punishment" - altho, if the same thing were done to an adult, it would be called "assault with a weapon", or "assault causing bodily harm"). We have a long way to go as a nation to help the state rise up to the notion that we expect children to be treated well, and with respect. The school bell example cited in this thread is only one example of the jail house mentality that still fuels much of public education and of the bullying behaviour that goes on between school staff and children. Christians need to put their foot down and say "you will be held accountable for any damage that you do to my child".

 

[Eva1218]

As I read your post, I didn't see your concern for raising our children. Correct me if I'm wrong, what I sense is fear. We live in an Era where time is moving at a rapid pace. It can be a scary place anywhere for anyone. GOD does not give us a spirit of fear, satan does. With GOD we know HE is watching over us.

As parents we have a choice to home school if we do not like the schools being offered to our children. But, we must understand life is not easy and we must prepare our children with the reality and not with our hopes in how we want the world to be.

One day GOD will make all things new! Until then we must walk fearless, prepared and confident. Yes so much is going on in the world, but imagine for a second how much GOD Protects us spiritually! Fear not we serve an Awesome GOD!

Blessings! !!!!!!