Are we still protesting pagan holidays or did we surrender?

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Cameron143

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I'm aware of those. Are you aware early Hebrews worshipped Baal? The national God of Israel.

As well as Astarte, aka Ashera aka Ishtar?

1 Kings 11, Leviticus 20, speaks of their worship of Moloch.
Yes. I'm very aware. And the power behind such gods are fallen angels...i.e. demons.
 

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Ancient Hebrews , the Jews , were, are, demon worshipers?
Yes, at various times and in various places. It always led to God's judgment.
What do you think the groves were that Gideon and others destroyed and the priests who were killed?
 

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Yes, at various times and in various places. It always led to God's judgment.
What do you think the groves were that Gideon and others destroyed and the priests who were killed?
Do you believe God is Sovereign, Omniscient, and Omnipotent?
 

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Do you believe God is Sovereign, Omniscient, and Omnipotent?
Of course. If you want my testimony ask for that. I thought we were talking about idol worship and demons.
 

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How could false Gods be demons?
They must no longer offer their sacrifices to the goat demons to which they have prostituted
themselves. This will be a permanent statute for them for the generations to come. Leviticus 17:7


No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And
I do not want you to be participants with demons. 1 Corinthians 10:20


They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new
gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Deuteronomy 32:17
 

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They must no longer offer their sacrifices to the goat demons to which they have prostituted
themselves. This will be a permanent statute for them for the generations to come. Leviticus 17:7


No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God. And
I do not want you to be participants with demons. 1 Corinthians 10:20


They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new
gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Deuteronomy 32:17
Thanks for the kindly assist.
 

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1 Timothy 4:1 plus 1 Corinthians 10:18-21~ The Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons. Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything?
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot
drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.
 

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They are fallen angels.
It's not a stretch that as Satan desired worship that those who rebelled with him should also desire worship.
When Satan rebelled against God, one third of the angelic host joined him in his revolt, which
is why Scripture refers to them collectively as “Satan... and his angels” (Revelation 12:9). Most
likely, these fallen angels who rebelled with Satan are the beings Scripture refers to as “demons.”

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They are fallen angels.
It's not a stretch that as Satan desired worship that those who rebelled with him should also desire worship.
That's it. They're God's fallen angels whom he let live. As he did Lucifer also.

It's all God. ☺️💕
 

MessengerofTruth

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A person is saved the moment they believe. ☺️Not of themselves, so that none may boast they brought themselves into Salvation, but they are saved by God's grace through the faith he bestows.

If you feel in your heart Christ is Savior, that's God's grace. And you are in his Salvation. 💕✝️

You cannot work, I. e seek truth, and accomplish this.

God Bless you.
If you will take a look at 2Thess.2:10 and 11, you may understand what I was trying to relate. :)
 

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When Satan rebelled against God, one third of the angelic host joined him in his revolt, which
is why Scripture refers to them collectively as “Satan... and his angels” (Revelation 12:9). Most
likely, these fallen angels who rebelled with Satan are the beings Scripture refers to as “demons.”

source
I believe that it is more likely that the fallen ones (only a small percent) that took for themselves wives of the daughters of men (Gen 6 and Jude 6) and created the Giants (Nephilim). When these giants died, they became disembodied souls known as demons. Because they were not fully human, but a hybrid with angels, they are not bound as humans are when they die to go to one place or another but become the powers that help their uncle angels to accomplish the will of their leader, Satan. I believe these are the levels of authority spoken of in Eph. 6. Something to pray about and look into.
 

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A person is saved the moment they believe. ☺️Not of themselves, so that none may boast they brought themselves into Salvation, but they are saved by God's grace through the faith he bestows.

If you feel in your heart Christ is Savior, that's God's grace. And you are in his Salvation. 💕✝️

You cannot work, I. e seek truth, and accomplish this.

God Bless you.
I also thought of the scripture that states the GOD is a rewarder of those that diligently seek Him
 
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I believe that it is more likely that the fallen ones (only a small percent) that took for themselves wives of the daughters of men (Gen 6 and Jude 6) and created the Giants (Nephilim). When these giants died, they became disembodied souls known as demons. Because they were not fully human, but a hybrid with angels, they are not bound as humans are when they die to go to one place or another but become the powers that help their uncle angels to accomplish the will of their leader, Satan. I believe these are the levels of authority spoken of in Eph. 6. Something to pray about and look into.
This is a common belief which seems to stem from that which claims to be the actual book of Enoch, but scripture certainly seems to refute this belief.

Like here, for example:

Luke 8:30
And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

Luke 8:31
And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

The devils or demons begged Jesus to not command them to go out into the deep or into the abyss as it reads in the Greek. This abyss is the same place that is called the bottomless pit throughout the book of Revelation, and it is a place where at least one angel currently is being held, and it is also the place where Satan, another angel, will be bound for 1000 years during the Millennial Reign of Christ.

Abaddon or Apollyon, who is an angel:

Revelation 9:11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Satan, who is an angel:

Revelation 20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This is the place that the demons did not want Jesus to command them to go, so it's quite likely that they are angelic beings themselves.
 

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This is a common belief which seems to stem from that which claims to be the actual book of Enoch, but scripture certainly seems to refute this belief.

Like here, for example:

Luke 8:30
And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

Luke 8:31
And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.

The devils or demons begged Jesus to not command them to go out into the deep or into the abyss as it reads in the Greek. This abyss is the same place that is called the bottomless pit throughout the book of Revelation, and it is a place where at least one angel currently is being held, and it is also the place where Satan, another angel, will be bound for 1000 years during the Millennial Reign of Christ.

Abaddon or Apollyon, who is an angel:

Revelation 9:11
And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

Satan, who is an angel:

Revelation 20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Revelation 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

This is the place that the demons did not want Jesus to command them to go, so it's quite likely that they are angelic beings themselves.
I would believe that the Book of Enoch was written to be read in our time. I believe that the Dead Sea Scrolls being found 1 year before the supposed "alien" crash at Roswell, NM was the sovereignty of GOD to uncover credibility for that book that would help us to discern what is going on in our times with "aliens", UFOs, the technology of genetic modification, which is leading this world to the Mark of the Beast.
In the book, Enoch states that the book was written to those that would be living at the time of the end, the last generation. It also states that the righteous that read his words in these days will be encouraged by his words. I have found that to be true for me. I feel like it makes the world make better sense to me.
I do not want to contradict you... It's just that I have found that book to be very edifying and bring a healthy fear of the LORD to me. I also believe that if that book had not been "banned" in Christian circles that we would have seen all the Technology (knowledge of the craft and his devises) of the wicked one and expose them for what they are.
Many see CRISPR as a "GOD send", but in reality, it is very wicked and leading to the damnable mark.
 
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I would believe that the Book of Enoch was written to be read in our time. I believe that the Dead Sea Scrolls being found 1 year before the supposed "alien" crash at Roswell, NM was the sovereignty of GOD to uncover credibility for that book that would help us to discern what is going on in our times with "aliens", UFOs, the technology of genetic modification, which is leading this world to the Mark of the Beast.
In the book, Enoch states that the book was written to those that would be living at the time of the end, the last generation. It also states that the righteous that read his words in these days will be encouraged by his words. I have found that to be true for me. I feel like it makes the world make better sense to me.
I do not want to contradict you... It's just that I have found that book to be very edifying and bring a healthy fear of the LORD to me. I also believe that if that book had not been "banned" in Christian circles that we would have seen all the Technology (knowledge of the craft and his devises) of the wicked one and expose them for what they are.
Many see CRISPR as a "GOD send", but in reality, it is very wicked and leading to the damnable mark.
Whether or not anything that you said is true, it still doesn't address what the Holy Spirit inspired scriptures say that I just shared with you. That was only one way in which I believe the Bible contradicts the theory that you shared here. There are others. I don't have time to share any others right now, but I will in the future if you'd like me to.