Are You Pro-Life?

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Are you against capital punishment (pro-life)?


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KimPetras

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When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament law; they did not truly care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God is the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-7).
I fully 100% agree Old Covenant law mandates the death penalty. I disagree with this article in that the writer doesn't believe Christ sets a new mandate about the death penalty. He clearly stopped it, yes to show the hypocrisy of the pharisees, but more importantly, because he taught love, mercy, and compassion.

If you recall, for any sin committed in the Old Covenant, blood must be shed; be it animal or your own. This is the new standard:

Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice [blood atonement].' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
 
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Mitspa

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Ro 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
 
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jennymae

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Why are so many supporting the death penalty? It is basically about killing people...
 

Elizabeth619

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Why are so many supporting the death penalty? It is basically about killing people...
I don't think anyone supports the death of another, but when the punishment is death and one willingly commits a crime with this knowledge then the criminal is to blame.

There are also almost 3,000 people on death row in the United States and only 28 were executed in 2015. We aren't talking about slashing people left and right here.
These people were found guilty of horrible crimes and served their punishment. What we can hope for is that they came to Christ before their end. Even the worst criminals can make it to Heaven, and many do come to Christ before they die
 
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Except part of the problem with the death penalty involves those who were "found guilty" but who aren't guilty.
 
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Mitspa

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Why are so many supporting the death penalty? It is basically about killing people...
I think everyone can see this thread is nothing more than left-wing propaganda trying to use the compassion of Christ to promote a agenda... Left wing agendas have no fellowship with the truth of Christ and its very insulting when folks try to make that connection.
 
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ggs7

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Mat 5:38 You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth."
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist evil. But whoever shall strike you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Luke 9:52 And He sent messengers before His face. And they went and entered into a village of the Samaritans to make ready for Him.
Luke 9:53 And they did not receive Him, because His face was going toward Jerusalem.
Luke 9:54 And seeing, His disciples James and John said, Lord, do You desire that we command fire to come down from Heaven and consume them, even as Elijah did?
Luke 9:55 But He turned and rebuked them and said, You do not know of what spirit you are.
Luke 9:56 For the Son of Man has not come to destroy men's lives, but to save.
I am against capital punishment. what if the accused was innocent. and if the accused was guilty, they might find salvation when given a life sentence instead.
 

Utah

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I am against capital punishment. what if the accused was innocent. and if the accused was guilty, they might find salvation when given a life sentence instead.
I pondered this when I was in the military and facing the very real possibility of having to kill muslims. I thought, what if I kill a muslim today, and yet, had that person lived just one more day they would have come to know Jesus and would have had salvation. That was more than I could bear. Then a wonderful brother in Christ shared the Truth that Jesus will intervene in such scenarios. Nothing can separate us from God's love that is in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:38-39
 

PANCAKES

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I didn't vote because there isn't an option for "Whatever God decides for this human being, life or death, now or later" it's His decision.
 

Jasper37

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I fully 100% agree Old Covenant law mandates the death penalty. I disagree with this article in that the writer doesn't believe Christ sets a new mandate about the death penalty. He clearly stopped it, yes to show the hypocrisy of the pharisees, but more importantly, because he taught love, mercy, and compassion.

If you recall, for any sin committed in the Old Covenant, blood must be shed; be it animal or your own. This is the new standard:

Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice [blood atonement].' For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Kim look up, your thought provoking thread on this board has rendered a verdict as to now that majority believe that capital punishment is not okay.
Loud voices does not substitute Christ centered teaching.
I am new here and have spent the last part of my evening reading this thread, and I honestly am quite impressed by your commitment, your humility in light of the fire you have been under and your intellectual stand on the matter.

The conversation takes on another angle when you take in cultural differences. Which was obvious to me when posters starting defending the American Judicial system and accusing you of not understanding the process. Somehow it turned into an American versus 'others' thread.
I don't think that was ever your intention but rather an honest look at capital punishment and the consequences of a flawed system, ergo the state sanctioned killing of innocents.
In saying that I don't think by the very nature of 'law' that it can be one way or the other.
Either capital punshiment is a policy of a nation or it's not.
There is no middle ground. As you have so eloquently stated the process can be flawed and is flawed, not theoretically but empirically.
The argument realistically can't remain that state sanctioned murder is sometimes okay but spare the questionable innocents to a bolder statement which I am asserting that state sanctioned capital punshiment is never okay.

Another bold stance I will take is look at the demographics of your supporters and critics.
By far and large those that support the death penalty are American. Kudos to those from the US that do not fit that mound, I in no way want to minimalise your input but countries like Australia, England, and Europe do not practise state sanctioned murder so there is no inbuilt need to defend its practise. When a nation commonly and regularly takes part in an action a subsequent result is the public must agree or condone that action. They were born into the culture, they have been successfully ingrained to believe it's necessary otherwise it could not be so widely accepted.
A useful tactic is this notion of being opposed to capital punishment is humanist in nature which seems to be a US tactic and if you believe otherwise or you are a leftard socialist. That amounts to nothing but useful manipulation of a culture.
In many countries like Australia, England and Europe both our political sides are against capital punishment, liberal and conservative alike. It is a unified stance.
Its not okay.

I base my opinion purely on a scriptural and Godly perspective.
Scripture can be manipulated to suit anyone's agenda, history is testament to that but I focus on the teachings of Jesus.
As you asked how does the new covenant address the old.
Jesus made that clear, legality pales in comparison to the revelation of Christ.
That is why He turned the religious elite and scholars and pious on their heads because he brought a revelation that was shocking, and totally went against the trend. That was why they hated him.
How dare He teach compassion over the law.
Who the heck is He to eat with sinners and call them His friends.
Perfection and humility encompassed in Jesus that dined with tax collectors and prostitutes.
That is Jesus.
How scandalous when he said that it was said eye for an eye but I tell you if someone slaps you on the right cheek let them slap you on the left.
How scandalous when Jesus said 'forgive them Father for they know what not they do'
How scandalous when Jesus taught by parable the story of the Good Samaritan.
Samaritans were the wicked by Jewsish standards, Loose morals and not followers of the law. As the man layed beaten and broken on the road the religious elite ignored him, the priest and the Levite walked on by.
The least, the most religiously barren was the one man who not only helped him initially but paid for his keep but was concerned for his welfare.
My point religious piety gets you no where.
A heart for Christ, centered on compassion and love is where the fundamental teaching of Christ dwells.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Simple question: Are you for or against capital punishment? Does capital punishment reflect the old covenant or the new covenant?

Secondary question: If taking an innocent man's life is murder, what punishment do you give the state that executes an innocent man that would have been exonerated if he was still alive? Is the state consider to be "murderers"?
1. I'm for capital punishment. It's a controversial issue (compare Matthew 26:51-52 to Romans 12:17-21). I'm not set-in-stone on the matter. It does seem that capital punishment does not align with the New Covenant.

2. Yes, if the State executes an innocent man the blood is on the State's hands. All who are responsible will be held accountable by our Most High.
 

Jasper37

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It doesn't align with the New Covenant
I'm not sure how in reflection of Jesus' words how it could.
As Christians our alliance is not to state but to the word.
Which teaches what man is incapable of the spirit can conquer which manifests itself in the fruits of the spirit; love, compassion, patience, goodness, kindness, joy, peace and gentleness.
That is what we are judged under..

When we look at revelations
It clearly states where we stand in regards to our faith.
Where were you?
When those in prison had no voice?
Some Christians play wordsmiths as to why we shouldn't care.
but Jesus tells me, they are still worthy.
They needed clothes and did we clothe them? They were sick and did we show concern?
When they were lonely did we visit them?
Compassion and love is tantamount to not giving lip service but to Christ loving faith, which says you're not perfect but I'm willing to preserve His glorious word by loving you even In your deepest sin and at your darkest hour.
Beacause He did so for me.
 

GuessWho

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I used to be for capital punishment but thanks to an user from CC (kennethcadwell) I rethought my position.

Has anyone here see the movie 12? I highly recomment it. I liked it very much because it makes you think, and look inside yourself and it kind of throws out of the window your cemented certitudes about right-wrong, justice...

It's about 12 russian men (who form the jury) and must unanimously vote "guilty" and condemn to life in jail (never to get out of jail) a young man from Chechenya accused to have killed his adoptive father.

Here's the trailer:

[video=youtube;v6O4yHht3p0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6O4yHht3p0[/video]
 
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I don't think anyone supports the death of another, but when the punishment is death and one willingly commits a crime with this knowledge then the criminal is to blame.

There are also almost 3,000 people on death row in the United States and only 28 were executed in 2015. We aren't talking about slashing people left and right here.
These people were found guilty of horrible crimes and served their punishment. What we can hope for is that they came to Christ before their end. Even the worst criminals can make it to Heaven, and many do come to Christ before they die
Doesn't matter. If only one person was executed last year, that's one too many. I guarentee there are people waiting for ol' sparky right now that are innocent. You want to live in a state that sanctions murder? Than you have blood on your hands a soon as the next wrongly convicted criminals hangs. Thank God for DNA, which has exnorated over 80 death row inmates over the last ten years. And for those that say "well its not a perfect system". You're right, it's not, and that's the exact reason why captial punishment needs to be abolished, because it will never be perfect which means innocent people will be convicted. At least in prison you have a chance of the truth coming out someday. Now if an inmate wants to commite suicide as his own punishment after admitting to his crime, I don't have a problem with that.
 
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PeacefulWarrior

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Doesn't matter. If only one person was executed last year, that's one too many. I guarentee there are people waiting for ol' sparky right now that are innocent. You want to live in a state that sanctions murder? Than you have blood on your hands a soon as the next wrongly convicted criminals hangs. Thank God for DNA, which has exnorated over 80 death row inmates over the last ten years. And for those that say "well its not a perfect system". You're right, it's not, and that's the exact reason why captial punishment needs to be abolished, because it will never be perfect which means innocent people will be convicted. At least in prison you have a chance of the truth coming out someday. Now if an inmate wants to commite suicide as his own punishment after admitting to his crime, I don't have a problem with that.
Abolishment is not a perfect solution either.
Anti-Captial-Punishment folks want to talk about the small percentage of false convictions... but what about all the accurate convictions?
- I wonder how many who speak out against capital punishment from the comfort of their keyboards are actually visiting inmates in max-security.
- I wonder how quickly you would re-think your position on capital punishment if it was your loved one who was murdered.

There's no blood on my hands for being born in Indiana.

This whole "it's not perfect, so abolish it" argument's gotta go. It's as bad as stating that we need to ban guns because they're made for killing.

USA locks up more people per capita than any other nation on the planet.

It seems easy to lock people up and forget about them.
Most of us do not care about those people in prison, we have not visited them!

Murdering someone should not be a free ticket to lifelong food, shelter, clothing, hot showers, education, etc!
 
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Kayiw1

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Why give this a title that suggests an abortion topic?
And why is this in the Family section?
I understand the topic heading. All life is precious. Even a man who murdered someone to get the women he wanted. Remember King David?
About being in the Family thread.. Not sure, but I wouldn't say it definitely doesn't fit here. Families are affected by this issue. What if the innocent person who was executed was your father? Just saying
 
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Kayiw1

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I think everyone can see this thread is nothing more than left-wing propaganda trying to use the compassion of Christ to promote a agenda... Left wing agendas have no fellowship with the truth of Christ and its very insulting when folks try to make that connection.
Why is EVERY Christian who is opposed to the typical Christian status- quo automatically accused of being Left- winged and having an agenda. What happened to Open discussion and agreeing to disagree. Why all the attacks? (No, I'm not just talking about just you Or just this post)
 

Demi777

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Well the thing is, Id rather have a lady get a abortion in a clinic than her doing it herself because theres no way to stop abortions. is it right? no its murder and i believe that there should be stricter laws in some countries on abortion. Capital punishment. Jesus never spoke out against it (like crucifiction) and i believe its needed in some cases. God bless
 
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blamonkey

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Pro-Choice, but I see no reason to care enough about this to actually defend my position. So, go ahead be offended, I could care less honestly. People take these things way to seriously.
 
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sealabeag

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pro-life definition:

pro-life

adjective


  • opposing abortion and euthanasia.