Are You Pro-Life?

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Are you against capital punishment (pro-life)?

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KimPetras

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Mitspa said:
Where is your evidence ..that the people of Tn and our judicial process has put someone innocent to death? I don't know of any case? Do you? Even if you found one? Who are you or anyone else to decide what the people of Tn decide they want as part of their justice system?
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If the same group of people decide partial birth abortion should be 100% legal, wouldn't anyone that is a defender of life be adamantly opposed to it? You'll have the same people saying, "who are you to decide what we, the people of Tn decide to be legal or illegal?!" Answer: We are children of God.

If you can't guarantee a 100% past, present, future verdict, it should be thrown out. Human life is sacred.
 
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KimPetras

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Mitspa said:
Well the folks in each State, decide if they want capital punishment ... I think its more than fair and as a society we go out of our way to be fair ... I think folks that kill babies and rape children should receive the death penalty ...so you and me will never likely agree .... Im on Gods side :) ...your on Al (hands up) Sharpton side :(
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This is where our discussion becomes fruitless. I appreciate some of your input though.
 
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Mitspa

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KimPetras said:
I appreciate you coming to my defense. I truly don't believe even he thinks this way about me... at least I would hope not. I'm not sure why he is acting this way but no harm no foul with me. God knows my heart. :)
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Let me just say that folks that come on the forum and seem to have a "agenda"...almost always have a "agenda" :)

But I hope its just something on your heart you wanted to discuss and your not trying to represent some agenda apart from Christ?
 
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Mitspa

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KimPetras said:
If the same group of people decide partial birth abortion should be 100% legal, wouldn't anyone that is a defender of life be adamantly opposed to it? You'll have the same people saying, "who are you to decide what we, the people of Tn decide to be legal or illegal?!" Answer: We are children of God.

If you can't guarantee a 100% past, present, future verdict, it should be thrown out. Human life is sacred.
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Well I have already shown you in Gods Word that He upholds capital punishment ...But He clearly rejects killing babies ... so it not the same at all.
 
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KimPetras

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James47 said:
I like how this went from to the very first reply suggesting abortion was the topic due top the phrase "Pro Life" when it seems clear that the question were not related to that subject, how easy it is to go off of the course of the subject when we have preconcieved idea's on what a term must mean world wide when in if fact it doesnt, My thoughts are if there is any doubt then capital punishment should not be applied, if there is no doubt what soever then if its the law of what ever land it may be in then so be it.
Are You Pro-Life?

Simple question: Are you for or against capital punishment? Does capital punishment reflect the old covenant or the new covenant?

Secondary question: If taking an innocent man's life is murder, what punishment do you give the state that executes an innocent man that would have been exonerated if he was still alive? Is the state consider to be "murderers"?
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I noticed the same thing. I was a bit confused at first but I think I understand very well now.

People love the term "pro-life" when it comes to the unborn but have an apprehension to use the same label towards the already born.
 
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KimPetras

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Ironically, it's as if the life is not considered a life after it's birthed. lol
 
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KimPetras

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[Changed my mind, I only want fruitful discussions.]
 
RickyZ

RickyZ

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notuptome said:
You do know that the accusers were as guilty as she was? They would stone her and allow the men to go scott free. It was not the severity of the law that was in objection but that it was a biased court.

What of stoning false prophets? Did God not establish a very severe punishment for sin?

For the cause of Christ
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EVERYONE is as guilty as she was. That was Jesus' point.
 
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KimPetras

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Mitspa said:
Let me just say that folks that come on the forum and seem to have a "agenda"...almost always have a "agenda" :)

But I hope its just something on your heart you wanted to discuss and your not trying to represent some agenda apart from Christ?
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I believe the sanctity and preservation of innocent life is apart of God's agenda. At least, that is what I've found in studying the Word.
 
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Mitspa

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KimPetras said:
I believe the sanctity and preservation of innocent life is apart of God's agenda. At least, that is what I've found in studying the Word.
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Killers are not innocent and Gods says they should be punished with the sword... Bringing up the idea that somewhere, someday, a innocent person "might'' be charged and convicted? Does not change what God has said is His will ...His agenda is justice and protection of the weak against the wicked.
 
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Mitspa

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KimPetras said:
Ironically, it's as if the life is not considered a life after it's birthed. lol
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That's silly...and a killer forfeits their life, when they murder another person.
 
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Mitspa

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How do you know if someone is a murderer? You give them a fair trial ....
 
PoetMary

PoetMary

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Mitspa said:
If folks cant see the difference in killing babies and bring justice to killers...then I doubt you understand much about the Lord and His Ways.
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We get it: If we don't agree with your view of it, then we don't really know God.

Except that you claim that the bible demands murderers be killed. It also demands that adulterers be killed. And homosexuals be killed. And disobedient children be killed.

For that matter, the bible also advocates the marrying of women to their rapists. According to OT law a rapist must pay the bride price OR marry the woman he raped.

Here's what I'm noticing: You're picking and choosing what you're going to enforce from the OT. I'm sure you have some kind of rationale for saying "Yes...kill murderers" over "Yes...kill adulterers," but the fact remains that your application of biblical mandates is INCONSISTENT.

While you may disagree with MY view of it, my view is CONSISTENT. I value the lives of unborn children AND I value the lives of people trapped in sin.

Remember, DAVID was a murderer. PAUL was a murderer. They both escaped the death penalty and are considered highly admirable men by the church.
 
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EarsToHear

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Yes, because abortion equals murder in the womb.
 
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Mitspa

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Yes ..if someone don't see the difference between killing babies and capital punishment of murderers? You have absolutely no understanding of God or His ways.
 
PoetMary

PoetMary

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Mitspa said:
Yes ..if someone don't see the difference between killing babies and capital punishment of murderers? You have absolutely no understanding of God or His ways.
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I think you are presuming that we are stupid because we disagree with you.

Let me break it down in the hopes of clarifying it for you:

1. We value life....all life
2. We recognize the innocence of unborn babies
3. We value life...all life...we believe humans are created in the image of God
4. Humans sin...we sin...we believe that humans are created in the image of God
5. Murderers are sinners...they are created in the image of God...Jesus died for murderers
6. Biblical examples of murderers used by God: Moses, David, Paul...they were all sinners
7. Moses, David, and Paul were all redeemed by God.
8. Murderers are sinful humans, made in the image of God, and able to be redeemed by God.
 
santuzza

santuzza

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I totally agree. However, there are many that feel execution is the only way to bring justice to possible killers/potentially innocent people. As if they are unable to see a different punishment which doesn't involve playing God and taking human life away.
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So what do you suggest is an appropriate punishment? Life in prison? Make the tax-payers pay for a murderer's existence for the rest of his life? And what about the victim's family and friends? What do they get out of this arrangement? Don't forget their innocence. How is justice being served for the victim's family/friends? Oh boy, they get to know that their own taxes are being spent to support this murderer in prison. There's justice for ya.

Just wondering what your suggestions are.
 
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Mitspa

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PoetMary said:
I think you are presuming that we are stupid because we disagree with you.

Let me break it down in the hopes of clarifying it for you:

1. We value life....all life
2. We recognize the innocence of unborn babies
3. We value life...all life...we believe humans are created in the image of God
4. Humans sin...we sin...we believe that humans are created in the image of God
5. Murderers are sinners...they are created in the image of God...Jesus died for murderers
6. Biblical examples of murderers used by God: Moses, David, Paul...they were all sinners
7. Moses, David, and Paul were all redeemed by God.
8. Murderers are sinful humans, made in the image of God, and able to be redeemed by God.
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I didn't say stupid...I said they don't understand God or His ways... You think its the same ..the life of a innocent baby and a murderer? Have you read the bible?
 
santuzza

santuzza

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Let's all remember here that just because we may be forgiven of our sins, does not mean that consequences of our sin just go away. They don't. If someone's past includes a lot of promiscuity and that person repents of their sins and becomes a born-again believer, does not mean that their STD just goes away. Or if while in jail, someone comes to know the Lord, they STILL have the consequences/punishments for their previous actions.
 
PoetMary

PoetMary

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santuzza said:
So what do you suggest is an appropriate punishment? Life in prison? Make the tax-payers pay for a murderer's existence for the rest of his life? And what about the victim's family and friends? What do they get out of this arrangement? Don't forget their innocence. How is justice being served for the victim's family/friends? Oh boy, they get to know that their own taxes are being spent to support this murderer in prison. There's justice for ya.

Just wondering what your suggestions are.
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1. The death penalty actually costs more than life imprisonment.
2. Even if the tax payers did have to pay, it would be worth it for the sake of the person's life and their possible redemption.
3. Killing a murderer basically presumes they are irredeemable.
 
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