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tdrew777

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#1
As I seek to provide a safe place where my wife and children can grow freely, my pride gets crushed. To say that my personal life is interrupted or that my personal life is put on hold is a gross understatement. My personal life is given over. It is in response to that "giving over" of life that wifely submission occurs. It is not the outcome of a power struggle, but the outpouring of the desire of her heart where biblical submission occurs. The most unhappy people in family cultures where the men dominate are the men. They are more to be pitied than the women they abuse.
 
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Kefa52

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#2
My personal life is Jesus. He makes me happy. He knows everything that makes me happy. When I am submissive to Jesus my wife is glad to be submissive to Jesus also. It's all about Jesus not me.
 
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BarlyGurl

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#3
They are more to be pitied than the women they abuse.
I was all for ya... till you finished off with GROSSLY INAPPROPRIATE and FALSE declaration. MEN who abuse women DO NOT deserve pity, they deserve CORRECTION, ADMONISHMENT, JAIL or PRISON... which ever applies... NOT PITY.
 
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_Ragdoll_

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#4
Although it was anger that I felt for my abuser, now, after forgiving him and letting the anger go, it is pity that I feel for him. Pity that he felt so out of control that he controlled me. Pity that his fear of losing me is what drove me away in the end. Pity that in many cases abuse is spawned by abuse, either learned directly or indirectly, until someone breaks the cycle. So yes, although they do deserve correction, they also deserve pity in many cases.
 
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Kefa52

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#5
Matthew 5:43-46
43 “You have heard that it was said, Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 For if you love those who love you, what reward will you have? Don’t even the tax collectors do the same?

Luke 23:34
34 Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, because they do not know what they are doing. And they divided His clothes and cast lots.


So yes, although they do deserve correction, they also deserve pity in many cases.
 
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Songbird_7

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#6
I had anger and even hatred toward my father for years of abuse until Jesus brought me to the place where I could have compassion for him. On his death bed 2 years ago I told him I forgive him and love him and I know that he didn't mean to hurt me. I absolutely believe that. He was abused and we will never know to what extent, but because of that self hatred he had, he lashed out at everyone else. His last words that I remember were "so many regrets"....now, my daddy was a believer, but there were things he had never given over to God. He was a man like tdrew777 was referring to. He dominated and demanded "submission"...the rules applied to everyone except for him. I can't begin to explain the harm that causes to a wife and family. Husbands love your wives and mutually submit to each other. As for having a personal life...well, I think we all give and take. I've certainly "given up" a lot to stay home with my kids, but I realize now how important this job is and see it as God's calling on my life. I don't view it as a sacrifice anymore because I've stopped listening to what the world has to say. I wish more men would see their role as spiritual leader as the awesome thing that it is and step up!
 
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BarlyGurl

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#7
Although it was anger that I felt for my abuser, now, after forgiving him and letting the anger go, it is pity that I feel for him. Pity that he felt so out of control that he controlled me. Pity that his fear of losing me is what drove me away in the end. Pity that in many cases abuse is spawned by abuse, either learned directly or indirectly, until someone breaks the cycle. So yes, although they do deserve correction, they also deserve pity in many cases.
So let's be clear... while HE was abusing you... you and everyone else should have been saying. "aww poor guy, I pity him"??

OR

After the victim is rescued, the penal consequences have been dealt and he has done his time and made restitution and finally reaps what he has sown.. then he deserves some pity, "Awww poor fella, eating the bread of his labor... poor guy?"



 
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_Ragdoll_

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Ok... So i'll make it clear...

Abuse is a complex and difficult subject to deal with, since no case is the same as another. There are many factors that go into in my case. Yes, it is hard to pity the abuser. Especially when you're the one abused, or a family member of the abuse. I was hurt, I was angry, I was also the first to forgive him, despite the horrible, horrible things he did to me. I rescued myself from him, no penal consequences where dealt, no time was done, no restitution of any type and he has never, as far as I know, reaped what he has sown... I do pity him, I did pity him. Because he was simply repeating the things that had been done to him. The people he trusted most, loved most, had hurt him in ways that not many will every understand. That's what he knew love to be. The only love he'd ever known. Not to mention the fact that he suffered from a mental illness that was left untreated. I did pity him, I do pity him. I was angry, very angry, but the anger is not an emotion I wanted to hold on to. The pity, the pity stayed. Because unlike me, he never was able to get over what was done to him and is repeating the cycle... I chose to break that cycle. So yes, as hard as it is... I pity the abuser and the abused. Others may feel differently. But this is how I feel. I pity them during and after. This is just how I am. Obviously, not everyone feels the same. And that's ok.
 
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tdrew777

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#9
Pity is the lowest form of love. I reserve it for vile offenders.

There are terrible consequences when we pass from pity to loathing. Loathing the abuser is the beginning of a downward spiral that enslaves the abused to constant re-suffering of the offense. Healing, abused people, as have posted in this thread, struggle to arrive at the point where they can pity their abuser. And when they do, they find healing. The offense moves from the present, something that they are re-suffering now, to the past, something that is over and done with.

I do not pity the abused, on the contrary I respect them (opposite). I have compassion for them. They and I are in fellowship on the same level. I pity the abuser. I thus put him on a lower level then myself and those I fellowship with.
 
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Songbird_7

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#10
No one is beyond the reach of God. Hatred, anger, and unforgiveness destroy us. We have to let go of those emotions because they are not of God. He says if we do not forgive, we are not forgiven. That doesn't mean I have to like someone who abuses. But we come to a place of understanding WHY that person is the way they are. Some of the most moving stories are those of forgiveness, like the Jewish woman who came face to face with a prison guard from the concentration camp where her entire family was murdered. She did not want to forgive, but she held out her hand and took his anyway....and that gesture, that choice to forgive him, brought him to Christ. Was he not deserving of that forgiveness? Which of us is?