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Hmmm. Saying contraceptives are a sin is a little too fanatical. im a young woman. i dont want to end up like the old woman in the shoe(so many children she didnt know what to do ?)
Im trying to keep an open mind but the biblical evidence is not definitive. My mom has 5 kids And she used birth control. She conceived my sister while on birth control. and i know in my heart that God has predestinated each one of us.
Koolcas
Im trying to keep an open mind but the biblical evidence is not definitive. My mom has 5 kids And she used birth control. She conceived my sister while on birth control. and i know in my heart that God has predestinated each one of us.
Koolcas
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When God said "be fruitful" This was a blessing on them. When He said "and multiply", of course He meant what it says, but then, they fell! They threw away the blessing, and as God told Eve, bearing children would bring pain. At this time, Adam and Eve gave away the 'world' into the hands of Satan, gave away, their "dominion". Not only did they suffer the consequences of their sin, but Creation did also.
The world did not then run under their rule. Where they could have numerous children in a paradise Garden, now they had to fight for every grain they grew,
While I agree God wanted us to have children, at the moment our children are brought into a sinful world and where they would never have had such a thing as miscarriage, birth defects, etc, in Eden, They have them here. Where they could have had many children and kept them all, that is not so possible after the fall. In counties like India, the population is so dense ,because under colonial rule certain well thinking Christians told them it was wrong to practice any kind of control & even feed their children from mothers breast, and sold them on the idea of powdered milk. Of course, breast feeding is in it's own way, a contraceptive, it actually lowers the chance of pregnancy quite well. The colonials did not like to see mothers still breast feeding infants at 3, sometimes to 5 or 6 yrs. They sold them powdered milk, and the population began to boom! And the powdered milk cost money! In the end, they did not have the money to pay for all the milk they needed, and some of their kids starved. It was so called Christians that sold them the powdered milk.
What is the lesson?
Having children is a blessing, but what good are we to them, if we can't even afford to feed them all? Look at places like Ethiopia and others where they have big famines occur. Children starving to death and dropping like flies. There is enough food in this world to feed every human being, and yes aid is sent, but not enough, because money gets in the road, and some of the people who rule over these famine countries steal the aid and sell it!
If you want people to not practice contraception, then make sure there is enough for all those children, or watch many starve.
The world did not then run under their rule. Where they could have numerous children in a paradise Garden, now they had to fight for every grain they grew,
While I agree God wanted us to have children, at the moment our children are brought into a sinful world and where they would never have had such a thing as miscarriage, birth defects, etc, in Eden, They have them here. Where they could have had many children and kept them all, that is not so possible after the fall. In counties like India, the population is so dense ,because under colonial rule certain well thinking Christians told them it was wrong to practice any kind of control & even feed their children from mothers breast, and sold them on the idea of powdered milk. Of course, breast feeding is in it's own way, a contraceptive, it actually lowers the chance of pregnancy quite well. The colonials did not like to see mothers still breast feeding infants at 3, sometimes to 5 or 6 yrs. They sold them powdered milk, and the population began to boom! And the powdered milk cost money! In the end, they did not have the money to pay for all the milk they needed, and some of their kids starved. It was so called Christians that sold them the powdered milk.
What is the lesson?
Having children is a blessing, but what good are we to them, if we can't even afford to feed them all? Look at places like Ethiopia and others where they have big famines occur. Children starving to death and dropping like flies. There is enough food in this world to feed every human being, and yes aid is sent, but not enough, because money gets in the road, and some of the people who rule over these famine countries steal the aid and sell it!
If you want people to not practice contraception, then make sure there is enough for all those children, or watch many starve.
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I believe the text is what it is. Does that mean we all follow everything God says, not likely. For me, if I ignore something from the bible that I formed some sort of opinion about, I believe God weighs on my heart and mind. If the lord is okay with my choice he seems to leave me alone, if it is something I need to change the weight grows.
Any form of birth control cannot protect from God's will. I believe God will provide contentment in your choice if he is okay with it, no need to defend if you are content.
As for the financial aspect, well God states he will always provide, we can't use that for an excuse if we trust the lord. Even though it is very scary! I know from personal expierence.
God is GREAT!
Any form of birth control cannot protect from God's will. I believe God will provide contentment in your choice if he is okay with it, no need to defend if you are content.
As for the financial aspect, well God states he will always provide, we can't use that for an excuse if we trust the lord. Even though it is very scary! I know from personal expierence.
God is GREAT!
Okay, so there are a few things that I thought of when reading this thread.
My brother is getting married on Saturday, and my family had this discussion not so long ago.
I have skim read this thread so apologize if I misquote or w/e.
Firstly, to the OP.
You have taken that verse from genesis out of context. God did say go out and multiply, your correct. However, look at when/why he said it.
In Genesis 1 the world has only two humans in it. He wanted humans to be dominant over all the other beasts and animals that filled the waters, land and skies. He wanted the life that he had created to be life-giving also.
In Genesis he says again to be fruitful and multiply...this again you have to look at in context. God had the world flooded for forty days and nights and all that was left was one family. And the animals they saved (pairs or more) of each animal.
Both times that God told humans to be fruitful and multiply were out of necessity. The world needed humans.
Now...In Leviticus, God talks of sexual immorality. And it is written that he no longer allowed for incestuous relationships. The world had enough humans, it was no longer a necessity.
Moving on...
Though I disagree with your view point, I don't believe that anyone should put you down for your age. Or your lack of experience or for the fact you are not married. A five year old does not need to have killed to know that it is wrong. A person does not need to have committed a crime to know its wrong. Or have been in a circumstance be a good judge.
Look at our Lord. Flawless, he has laid down the law without breaking any.
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Now, I don't believe the use of contraception to be a sin. And I don't believe, as someone has said that all types of Birth Control is a form of murder.
I would say that contraception is a good thing. If two poor people are to marry. Both on low wages, is God going to tell them it is a sin for them to have sex because they can't afford a child? No. Sex, is more than just to create - in my opinion. And it is a prevention, not a murder. God says not to have children if you can't afford them.
The morning after pill and abortion - are murder. But I see absolutely no way that you could say the use of condom etc are.
Christians get married for sex. Marriage allows for sex. While courting, nothing says you cant kiss, hold hands, share the same bank account...but the Bible says you can have sex after marriage. Sex is not just to have children.
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People who are against birth control have to weigh up the pros and cons of birth control. Is it better to use a condom? Than potentially have a child and not be able to look after it and pay for its up keep? Which is the greater 'sin'?
-Kath
My brother is getting married on Saturday, and my family had this discussion not so long ago.
I have skim read this thread so apologize if I misquote or w/e.
Firstly, to the OP.
You have taken that verse from genesis out of context. God did say go out and multiply, your correct. However, look at when/why he said it.
In Genesis 1 the world has only two humans in it. He wanted humans to be dominant over all the other beasts and animals that filled the waters, land and skies. He wanted the life that he had created to be life-giving also.
In Genesis he says again to be fruitful and multiply...this again you have to look at in context. God had the world flooded for forty days and nights and all that was left was one family. And the animals they saved (pairs or more) of each animal.
Both times that God told humans to be fruitful and multiply were out of necessity. The world needed humans.
Now...In Leviticus, God talks of sexual immorality. And it is written that he no longer allowed for incestuous relationships. The world had enough humans, it was no longer a necessity.
Moving on...
Though I disagree with your view point, I don't believe that anyone should put you down for your age. Or your lack of experience or for the fact you are not married. A five year old does not need to have killed to know that it is wrong. A person does not need to have committed a crime to know its wrong. Or have been in a circumstance be a good judge.
Look at our Lord. Flawless, he has laid down the law without breaking any.
.............
Now, I don't believe the use of contraception to be a sin. And I don't believe, as someone has said that all types of Birth Control is a form of murder.
I would say that contraception is a good thing. If two poor people are to marry. Both on low wages, is God going to tell them it is a sin for them to have sex because they can't afford a child? No. Sex, is more than just to create - in my opinion. And it is a prevention, not a murder. God says not to have children if you can't afford them.
The morning after pill and abortion - are murder. But I see absolutely no way that you could say the use of condom etc are.
Christians get married for sex. Marriage allows for sex. While courting, nothing says you cant kiss, hold hands, share the same bank account...but the Bible says you can have sex after marriage. Sex is not just to have children.
.......
People who are against birth control have to weigh up the pros and cons of birth control. Is it better to use a condom? Than potentially have a child and not be able to look after it and pay for its up keep? Which is the greater 'sin'?
-Kath
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Well, I hope as a 16 year old, with no marriage experience XD, I won't seem like the other young people on here when I say ONLY CERTAIN birth controls are considered sinful.
I personally believe that any form of birth control that destroys the egg when it is ALREADY unified with the sperm is murder, so certain forms of the pill?(I'm not too knowledgeable on what the pill does, but I do believe certain forms of the pill do destroy the already unified sperm and egg) are sinful.
But, condoms, and anything that PREVENTS the sperm from reaching the egg is not sinful.
I do, personally, believe you should at least have one kid, because, well, kids are a blessing. My mom married at 16, and had 4 kids, yes, we costed them a lot, but she DOES NOT regret having us one bit, even after the lack of spendable cash.
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To the OP, I am going to tell you something about the purpose of sex. Sex was a gift from God to man(and by man I mean man and woman) for an ultimate expression of affection. This unity between husband and wife is a powerful connection, and saying that the only purpose of this connection is for creating babies, is completely, and surely wrong. Read Song of Songs..I'm sure the sex mentioned in that particular book in the Bible was not sinful..but it also seems to be more in the pleasure and affection avenue than the procreative avenue..hmm..
and Sex is important in married life, and let me give you an example of why your idea is wrong:
Let's take three families, and say all three do not have much money. The husbands are all blue-collar working men, and their wives are also working women. One family decides they will not have sex because they believe contraceptives are sinful. They only have sex until their first child. The second family decides that they will not use contraceptives and just have kids. The last family decides to have only one kid, and then they decide to use condoms for the rest of their lives.
I'm not sure if this example is sounding the exact same way that it did in my head, but maybe it will make sense.
Well anyways, which family is happier?
Do you think that the first family is as affectionate as the third? Do you think the second family will be able to keep their family alive and well? How are they going to afford school? Keep their plethora of kids out of trouble?
How is the first family going to keep expressing deep affection to each other? Are they going to have sex? No, they aren't, they know they can't afford to raise another child, but they know that if they have sex, they can't prevent the chance of having another kid..
So, really which marriage is righteous in this example? The marriage where there is denial of affection in the highest degree? The marriage where there is suffering for the kids? Or the marriage, where there is one kid, and a loving couple?
P.S. In all examples, the couples are followers and believers in Christ.
-Nick
I personally believe that any form of birth control that destroys the egg when it is ALREADY unified with the sperm is murder, so certain forms of the pill?(I'm not too knowledgeable on what the pill does, but I do believe certain forms of the pill do destroy the already unified sperm and egg) are sinful.
But, condoms, and anything that PREVENTS the sperm from reaching the egg is not sinful.
I do, personally, believe you should at least have one kid, because, well, kids are a blessing. My mom married at 16, and had 4 kids, yes, we costed them a lot, but she DOES NOT regret having us one bit, even after the lack of spendable cash.
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To the OP, I am going to tell you something about the purpose of sex. Sex was a gift from God to man(and by man I mean man and woman) for an ultimate expression of affection. This unity between husband and wife is a powerful connection, and saying that the only purpose of this connection is for creating babies, is completely, and surely wrong. Read Song of Songs..I'm sure the sex mentioned in that particular book in the Bible was not sinful..but it also seems to be more in the pleasure and affection avenue than the procreative avenue..hmm..
and Sex is important in married life, and let me give you an example of why your idea is wrong:
Let's take three families, and say all three do not have much money. The husbands are all blue-collar working men, and their wives are also working women. One family decides they will not have sex because they believe contraceptives are sinful. They only have sex until their first child. The second family decides that they will not use contraceptives and just have kids. The last family decides to have only one kid, and then they decide to use condoms for the rest of their lives.
I'm not sure if this example is sounding the exact same way that it did in my head, but maybe it will make sense.
Well anyways, which family is happier?
Do you think that the first family is as affectionate as the third? Do you think the second family will be able to keep their family alive and well? How are they going to afford school? Keep their plethora of kids out of trouble?
How is the first family going to keep expressing deep affection to each other? Are they going to have sex? No, they aren't, they know they can't afford to raise another child, but they know that if they have sex, they can't prevent the chance of having another kid..
So, really which marriage is righteous in this example? The marriage where there is denial of affection in the highest degree? The marriage where there is suffering for the kids? Or the marriage, where there is one kid, and a loving couple?
P.S. In all examples, the couples are followers and believers in Christ.
-Nick
You gave a scripture that said be fruitful and multiply. where is the scripture that states birth control is a sin,(personal opinions aside) I didnt see you post it. Beside Jesus stated the all the commandements are cover by two Love God with all your mind body and soul, like wise Love you neighbor as your self. We are not to point out poeple's sins or short commings, we all know when we have messed up and dont need to be pushed down any further. I can take scripture out of contex and state Luke 6:37-38 (KJV)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
At the end I dont see how you proved that birth control is a sin. and if the scripture you quoted makes people that use birth control sinners. Than you are also a sinner for eatting meat when we are called to eat fruits and nuts.
Genesis 1:29 (KJV)
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
At the end I dont see how you proved that birth control is a sin. and if the scripture you quoted makes people that use birth control sinners. Than you are also a sinner for eatting meat when we are called to eat fruits and nuts.
Genesis 1:29 (KJV)
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
