Can a woman put away (divorce) her husband according to scripture?..

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JGPS

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Again, interesting stuff!

Oh yeah, I get that difference between polygamy and open relationships. I was just saying that the couple in the open relationship is the closest thing I know to polygamy, which isn't really close now that you say that.
I understand why you mentioned it.
Well, this is my thing on it. I love my mom to death, I really do, but I've lived with her for 18 years and I'm really tired of living with her. I find her interesting still, we can still talk a lot, but if I had to live with her for another couple years we'd end up fighting all the time.
Yeah, but that's pretty normal. One really shouldn't want to live with their parents forever :) It drives me nuts when people my age and older still live off their mom.
In fact anyone I really care about I can't imagine being with for my whole life.
I know its a different degree, but I can't really imagine any of my good freinds becoming non freinds at any point in my life. I could see them moving away or something, but barring that I expect them to be around for my whole life.


I'm also a child of divorced parents, so I think I see marriage a lot different than someone who's parents remained together. I just can't imagine being with one person forever, it just seems... unnatural, I guess.
Meh. My parents where never together and my mother and step-father divorced. TBH I found it easy to see where they screwed up. Learning from peoples failure comes naturally to me, I knew I'd never have their issues.

Building relationships is important to me. I even like my freinds to be freinds forever. Marriage is a step above and beyond that so naturally I always wanted it. It is the most excellent thing to have someone with you for anything. Hardships are shared out and made less while joys are added to by her joy. It's pretty great, and just gets better with time.
 
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Batman007

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I understand why you mentioned it.


Yeah, but that's pretty normal. One really shouldn't want to live with their parents forever :) It drives me nuts when people my age and older still live off their mom.


I know its a different degree, but I can't really imagine any of my good freinds becoming non freinds at any point in my life. I could see them moving away or something, but barring that I expect them to be around for my whole life.




Meh. My parents where never together and my mother and step-father divorced. TBH I found it easy to see where they screwed up. Learning from peoples failure comes naturally to me, I knew I'd never have their issues.

Building relationships is important to me. I even like my freinds to be freinds forever. Marriage is a step above and beyond that so naturally I always wanted it. It is the most excellent thing to have someone with you for anything. Hardships are shared out and made less while joys are added to by her joy. It's pretty great, and just gets better with time.
Yeah and I wouldn't be at all surprised if my attitude changes when I get older, especially if I meet someone I can see myself being with forever.

We shall see.
 

PANCAKES

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But realistically they will be close in a way where they want to share their prayer time with each other. It's not two separate relationships, but the three of us working together.
Does that mean all three of you (husband, wife, wife) are all married to each other? Meaning, even the wives are married to each other? Wouldn't that be sort of like inviting lesbianism into the marriage? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to make sense of this.

Also the person who wrote that needs some better freinds. I would hate to have only one person to confide in, even if I was totally unmarried. Having many freinds to share trials, turmoils, and triumphs with is an important part of life. Polygamy has nothing to do with that.
God made us all different did he not? Actually, I personally only have one person who I can fully confide my deepest self to, and that person will always be God, regardless if I get married or not. He is the only one who knows what I do 24/7 (the good, the bad, and the ugly) and STILL loves me no matter what! I'm not sure any other human being can do the same and vice versa. This isn't to say that having friends is bad, of course it's wonderful and healthy! I have close friends who I can tell things to, get advice from, and confide in. But the relationship between them and God is different. Only God can hear and understand the groaning and sorrow of my innermost self/spirit, only God can love me more than any other human being can or ever will.

Marriage is for the self, for the other person, for the family, for the community, and for the future. There are personal benefits to marriage, but a great deal of the product of marriage is hard work and contributing to the future. There is and has to be more give than get in marriage. A lot of people think like you and are looking at what they can get in a marriage first, and thats a big contribute to the divorce levels we're seeing today.
I do agree with that last two sentences you have there. BUT! I'm a horribly flawed human being. The reason why I said what I said was because I recognize my flaw and will personally stay away from a polygamous relationship, that was the whole point of the original message, but it's not the only reason... I also believe it is wrong, but I think you already caught that drift in the first message.

All things said, earthly marriage isn't forever; and to tell you the truth, I'm kind of glad. :)
 
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Batman007

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Lol lesbianism.
 

JGPS

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Yeah and I wouldn't be at all surprised if my attitude changes when I get older, especially if I meet someone I can see myself being with forever.

We shall see.
Usually it takes someone you'd want to be with to want to be with someone :D

Well said.
 

JGPS

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Does that mean all three of you (husband, wife, wife) are all married to each other? Meaning, even the wives are married to each other? Wouldn't that be sort of like inviting lesbianism into the marriage? Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just trying to make sense of this.
Depends on the families disposition. The Mormon setups view the relationship in terms of distinct marriages, but the more evangelical style varies.

The oneness ideal works like this: If two become one flesh then what do you have? One. That one is a unity rather than an individual, but it is still one. If then you have another, you then have one (unity) and one (individual), and they then become one. And thus they are all married to each other.

Female bisexuality is allowed allowed by some (it's not actually forbidden by scripture, though Romans 1 ought to be discussed if we got into that) and prohibited by some. It depends on their disposition. Overall there is a tendency to view bedroom matters as being private business though, where each poly family handles that how they are comfortable. Outright female bisexuality isn't that common among Christian polygamists, though it is somewhat often tolerated.

God made us all different did he not? Actually, I personally only have one person who I can fully confide my deepest self to, and that person will always be God, regardless if I get married or not.
That still makes that objection to polygamy totally off base.
He is the only one who knows what I do 24/7 (the good, the bad, and the ugly) and STILL loves me no matter what! I'm not sure any other human being can do the same and vice versa.
I dunno, I have some pretty dumb freinds that I still care about deeply. I'd still say that's something to work on.

This isn't to say that having friends is bad, of course it's wonderful and healthy! I have close friends who I can tell things to, get advice from, and confide in. But the relationship between them and God is different. Only God can hear and understand the groaning and sorrow of my innermost self/spirit, only God can love me more than any other human being can or ever will.
I dunno about that either. They are children of God too, they can share joys and prayers. It may be good to try to let some more people in.
I do agree with that last two sentences you have there. BUT! I'm a horribly flawed human being. The reason why I said what I said was because I recognize my flaw and will personally stay away from a polygamous relationship, that was the whole point of the original message, but it's not the only reason...
These flaws affect any relationship, even monogamous ones. That is the point of my response. These are flaws people have to grow out of and learn to correct for the good of any relationship they're in. They're not reasons not to be polygamous.


I also believe it is wrong, but I think you already caught that drift in the first message.
Unfortunately.

We could do a thread on that if you cared to get into it, but I'm sure you know I'm going to have quite a lot of information on the topic, certainly rather surprising stuff too. You'd have to really want to know where I'm coming from with this.

But a different perspective on marriage really helps when dealing with the problems people are facing today. I tend to be the go to guy when people I know have relationship issues.
All things said, earthly marriage isn't forever; and to tell you the truth, I'm kind of glad.
I had an interesting conversation with a teacher once about that. He had said that when Christ said 'you err because you do not know the scriptures' he was referring to scriptures concerning levitate marriage. The Saducees themselves where talking about levitate marriage of course. Anyway, he pointed out that the marriage contract itself is between the original husband and the wife. The levitate marriage by the brother is purely for the original husbands sake, to fulfil his duty to her. The only covenant is between the wife and first husband. Therefore the first husband would have her.

Then touching this phrase Mar 12:25 (For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.) he said this means that no new marriage covenants would be formed in heaven. He pointed out that this does not mean that existing covenants no longer exist.

It is a very interesting approach to the matter.

But of course even if one was still married in heaven it wouldn't be an 'earthly marriage'. So that's fairly said.
 
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I never ment for this topic to be about polygamy....it was specifically about women divorcing...

Men can divorce....but I haven't found in scripture where a woman is allowed to divorce at all...
 
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Mayco

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If I cheated on my wife, I would not hold it against her for divorcing me,
I gave the vows before God. The vows I speak are as important as anything else.
Many say that any vow not found in the bible is of no use.
That would mean any prayer not found in the bible is of no use.
The vows promised to God are part of our covenant we share with God.
He is personal and wants us with Him and to share us with Him.
If I were to cheat, I broke that covenant. Not God, not my wife. I alone would have messed it up.
If my wife were to take me back, then let her, but the ruin would be all on me.
I would not hold it against her is she would divorce me for cheating.
She could forgive me and still divorce me.
Most cheaters have never been accountable for their actions and so make excuses and want no consequences for them.
It is that same mentality that led us astray to begin with.
Excuses sound so good before, but feel so bad after.