Free Gift Of Salvation.
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Oh i should have read your other posts before asking that question..
You are a Grace + our works salvation preacher.. So believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement of Jesus is not enough.. We have to keep up regular Works payments to keep ourselves saved.. Pretty much blows a gaping hole in your ""Free Gift of Salvation"" statement in the OP.. How is it free if you have to keep up the Works payments to keep it???
That's like me giving a Christmas present to someone but telling them they must pay me 10$ a month to keep that present and if they fail to pay up then i will take that gift off them..
You are a Grace + our works salvation preacher.. So believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement of Jesus is not enough.. We have to keep up regular Works payments to keep ourselves saved.. Pretty much blows a gaping hole in your ""Free Gift of Salvation"" statement in the OP.. How is it free if you have to keep up the Works payments to keep it???
That's like me giving a Christmas present to someone but telling them they must pay me 10$ a month to keep that present and if they fail to pay up then i will take that gift off them..
Do not turn back your to life of sin and self pursuit desires. No one can have their salvation taken from them, but they can forfeited it.
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matthew 5:13-16
13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
Matthew 5:13-16
So you also believe that if we sin after being saved then we shall forfeit our salvation?
If someone believes this then the only way they can be assured of their own salvation is if they have become sinless in the flesh and have never sinned since the day they first accepted Jesus as the Redeemer..
Or maybe you have in your head a permissible sin quota?? Like 2 sins a day and you're ok.. Maybe 3?? Maybe we can save up our sins and splurge and have 20 in one day and still be ok??
So where is the boundary line in your avoidance of sins works?
If someone believes this then the only way they can be assured of their own salvation is if they have become sinless in the flesh and have never sinned since the day they first accepted Jesus as the Redeemer..
Or maybe you have in your head a permissible sin quota?? Like 2 sins a day and you're ok.. Maybe 3?? Maybe we can save up our sins and splurge and have 20 in one day and still be ok??
So where is the boundary line in your avoidance of sins works?
Where did you assume I said there had to be a quota? Of course we sin, but we also repent of those. Was not the church of Laodicea on the verge of giving up their salivation? Or what about the parable of the seed sown among the path and the thorns? If someone accepts Gods salvation cannot it be their choice to reject it? Another verse from our Savior with regards to falling away:
10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 3:10
10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.
Matthew 3:10
I did not assume anything of the sort.. Please when you read my replies again look at the ?????? signs i put into my posts.. This symbol ? means that the preceding sentence is a QUESTION.. Ok this is very basic English comprehension when a person uses the ? mark it is recognized internationally as a question mark..
I said and i quote myself here
How can anyone interpret that sentence as an assertion that the other person believed there Had to be a quote ? <-- Note QUESTION MARK.. It has the word maybe and ends with two question marks.. So clearly to any reasonable reader NOT a statement claiming that the other person believes in Sin quotas but a question asking the other person IF they believe in sin quota ? But i guess if your not interested in honest discussion but only interested in projecting upon the other then i guess totally misrepresenting their post is a tactic one will use..
Ok Here is another QUESTION.. Right the following sentence is a QUESTION not a assertion.. Let me know if your still unsure about the following sentence if so then we can end this discussion right now..
What is your definition of the word ""Repent"" ?,, Note the ? Mark
Is it saying sorry to God each and every time you commit a sin?,, Note the ? Mark
Is it ceasing to sin? ,, Note the ? Mark
Or is it something else? ,, Note the ? Mark
Scripture please.. ??
Of course a person can reject the Way of salvation.. But that is done by disbelieving Jesus and or no longer Trusting in the Atonement Jesus secured on the cross for the forgiveness of ones sins..
It is not rejected because we sin.. Once we declare that salvation can be lose because we sin then woe to everyone who preaches that and woe to anyone who believes that.. No one ceases to sin.. That's why we need the Atonement of Jesus covering us for the rest of our lives..
I said and i quote myself here
How can anyone interpret that sentence as an assertion that the other person believed there Had to be a quote ? <-- Note QUESTION MARK.. It has the word maybe and ends with two question marks.. So clearly to any reasonable reader NOT a statement claiming that the other person believes in Sin quotas but a question asking the other person IF they believe in sin quota ? But i guess if your not interested in honest discussion but only interested in projecting upon the other then i guess totally misrepresenting their post is a tactic one will use..
Ok Here is another QUESTION.. Right the following sentence is a QUESTION not a assertion.. Let me know if your still unsure about the following sentence if so then we can end this discussion right now..
What is your definition of the word ""Repent"" ?,, Note the ? Mark
Is it saying sorry to God each and every time you commit a sin?,, Note the ? Mark
Is it ceasing to sin? ,, Note the ? Mark
Or is it something else? ,, Note the ? Mark
Scripture please.. ??
Of course a person can reject the Way of salvation.. But that is done by disbelieving Jesus and or no longer Trusting in the Atonement Jesus secured on the cross for the forgiveness of ones sins..
It is not rejected because we sin.. Once we declare that salvation can be lose because we sin then woe to everyone who preaches that and woe to anyone who believes that.. No one ceases to sin.. That's why we need the Atonement of Jesus covering us for the rest of our lives..
Laodicea Church. One of the seven letters from Jesus:
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Revelation 3:15-17
Why are you so condescending in your posts? You seem to want to be more argumentative as opposed to having an actual dialogue. Try some humility. Or better yet, read some actual scripture that answer your own questions instead of berating others!
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Revelation 3:15-17
Why are you so condescending in your posts? You seem to want to be more argumentative as opposed to having an actual dialogue. Try some humility. Or better yet, read some actual scripture that answer your own questions instead of berating others!
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Honestly, these debate discussions will go on for eternity, if Jesus would not come and make an end to it. We are never ought to be argumentative around the word. What is happening here brings more reproach and shame on the name of Jesus Christ.
We are going in a 360 degree circle and we need to search ourselves long and hard, maybe nobody here has the full understanding yet. But there is a day coming when the everlasting gospel will go out with great power and glory.
May our loving Savour be gracious unto us.
We are going in a 360 degree circle and we need to search ourselves long and hard, maybe nobody here has the full understanding yet. But there is a day coming when the everlasting gospel will go out with great power and glory.
May our loving Savour be gracious unto us.
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The comparison of the human spirit and faith here converges around their modes of operation. The spirit (Greek pneuma) may also be translated "breath" and as a breathless body emits no indication of life, so fruitless faith exhibits no indication of life. Now the source of the life in faith is not works; rather, life in faith is the source of works (Ephesians 2:5-10).
Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion. It has prompted me to give the subject even more thought, and for that, I am grateful. This is my conclusion.
One primary reason for misunderstanding the plan of salvation is equating it solely to being born again. While this certainly is required for salvation, it is simply the beginning. After being born again, Christians must stand firm (Ro 5:2; 11:20; Heb 3:14-4:11), work out their salvation with fear and trembling (Php 2:12), produce fruit (Mt 7:19; Lk 13:6-9; Ro 7:4), etc. This is, in part, why Peter declares in Ac 15:11 that “… we believe [present tense] that we will [future tense] be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they [the Gentiles] will [future tense].” Peter’s statement is in keeping with what James writes in his letter, asking the ever-so poignant question concerning faith without works: “Can that faith save him?” (Jas 2:14). It is no accident that in the previous two verses James tells us: “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged [future tense] by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will [future tense] be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgement.” A faith, as for instance in v. 16, that speaks, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” that is not accompanied by actions/works to meet these physical needs will not save him!
One primary reason for misunderstanding the plan of salvation is equating it solely to being born again. While this certainly is required for salvation, it is simply the beginning. After being born again, Christians must stand firm (Ro 5:2; 11:20; Heb 3:14-4:11), work out their salvation with fear and trembling (Php 2:12), produce fruit (Mt 7:19; Lk 13:6-9; Ro 7:4), etc. This is, in part, why Peter declares in Ac 15:11 that “… we believe [present tense] that we will [future tense] be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they [the Gentiles] will [future tense].” Peter’s statement is in keeping with what James writes in his letter, asking the ever-so poignant question concerning faith without works: “Can that faith save him?” (Jas 2:14). It is no accident that in the previous two verses James tells us: “Speak and act as those who are going to be judged [future tense] by the law that gives freedom, because judgment without mercy will [future tense] be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgement.” A faith, as for instance in v. 16, that speaks, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” that is not accompanied by actions/works to meet these physical needs will not save him!
Condescending? Why do you lie in your posts calling my clear question an accusation? You better concentrate on taking the plank out of your eye before you can even see if there is a splinter in mine..
I do not like it when people lie about what i have said.. I do not like it when people put words into my mouth.. I will not put up with that kind of game from people in this forum..
Humility? To God yes.. To human liars who bear false witness to my posts No..
I see how you have ignored my searching question.. Why do you refuse to answer my searching question? Because you probably know where my series of questions are leading to..
Those who preach their works salvation doctrine don't like it when they are being lead to the point where their doctrine reveals that they are condemned by their own works salvation teachings.. So they do as you have done.. Throw false allegations and attack the person and avoid dealing with the doctrine..
So be it.. No need to respond to my posts anymore.. You can remain believing in and preaching your works salvation doctrine and stand before the LORD on Judgement day and hear him say, I never knew you..
I do not like it when people lie about what i have said.. I do not like it when people put words into my mouth.. I will not put up with that kind of game from people in this forum..
Humility? To God yes.. To human liars who bear false witness to my posts No..
I see how you have ignored my searching question.. Why do you refuse to answer my searching question? Because you probably know where my series of questions are leading to..
Those who preach their works salvation doctrine don't like it when they are being lead to the point where their doctrine reveals that they are condemned by their own works salvation teachings.. So they do as you have done.. Throw false allegations and attack the person and avoid dealing with the doctrine..
So be it.. No need to respond to my posts anymore.. You can remain believing in and preaching your works salvation doctrine and stand before the LORD on Judgement day and hear him say, I never knew you..
You sound exactly like the Muslim I tried to have a conversation with today. Unfortunately he decided that invoking his emotions instead of trying to have a mature discussion was more applicable. I did answer your question, but you decided it wasn’t to your satisfaction. You seem more interested in the “ I’m right, your wrong” doctrine. Good luck with that.
No you never answered my question.. You dodged and then attacked me personally and you continue your personal attacks in this very post..
Yes i am seriously interested in the right and wrong doctrines.. Because what one believes is incredibly important to ones salvation.. What one Believes and in what one trusts are the keys to salvation..
Yes i am seriously interested in the right and wrong doctrines.. Because what one believes is incredibly important to ones salvation.. What one Believes and in what one trusts are the keys to salvation..