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The parity is false; however, as the content in the links you submitted has already been refuted.

Example: http://www.apologeticspress.com/pub_rar/24_8/0408.pdf
Example: Are People Born Gay? Genetics and Homosexuality
The parity is correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from far-right sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue keeping innocent Gay and Lesbian people as second-class citizens. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ who did not condemn Gay and Lesbian individuals. All other personal beliefs are fallacious. End of story.
 
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HOLY God the father, HOLY Spirit, and HOLY Jesus Christ all clearly revealed that they think this way in both the old and new testament as well as in the hearts of those of us who have been "born again" (e.g. supernaturally spiritually regenerated by the HOLY Spirit).

You're ad hominem and false assertions about me and my character aside, you're in great denial and rebellion to a HOLY God, His Word, and His perfect will for humanity.

The well-being of the LGBT demographic is best ensured when they repent of their sexual immorality and align with Holy God, His Word, and His will for humanity and their lives in which one is saved into His kingdom away from the immorality of the world embarking upon a new way of living in a sanctified manner as a new creature in Christ toward ultimate perfection in eternity with God.

God's plan: Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification

Your plan: Deception-->Desecration-->Condemnation

Not difficult to see which one aligns with the HOLY bible here. Hint: It's not your plan.


Please save your sanctimonious argument for bigots who well align with your way of thinking. All other open-minded individuals can plainly see the danger in your way of thinking and those of your ilk. But of course you are the type of person who obviously believes the earth is flat and will argue to the death with that perspective. We are not fooled. Your way of thinking and interpretation of what the Bible does not say is most dangerous to the safety and well-being of Gay and Lesbian citizens.
 
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The parity is not correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from apostate far-left sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue propagating a deception that sexual immorality is part of God's design for humanity and desecrating sacrilegiously His sacramental marriage covenant which the bible clearly defines as absolute monogamy. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ as "new creatures" to pursue holiness and godliness until we fully enter into His presence.

As Peter stated in 1 Peter1:

"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,"

and in 2 Peter 3:

"Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace."

As Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 6:

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."

and in 1 Thessalonians 4:

"Finally, then, brothers, we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, just as you are doing, that you do so more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God."

Etc... etc... etc...

You see my ignorant new friend, sanctification in scripture is:
1. A work completed in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30 – Christ has become for us our sanctification; 6:11 – we have been sanctified; Hebrews 10:10 – we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ).

2. A present work of life in setting ourselves apart to God (1 Thessalonians 4:3-7).

3. A future work to be performed at Christ’s return (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

You're wrong immoral view aligns with the heresy of Christian Gnosticism. It is not a genuine Christian exegesis or worldview.

As the author of Hebrews states in Hebrews 10:26-31:

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

^ Which is exactly what you wrongly teach people to do. Shame on you. Follow Christ's command and repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.


The parity is correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from far-right sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue keeping innocent Gay and Lesbian people as second-class citizens. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ who did not condemn Gay and Lesbian individuals. All other personal beliefs are fallacious. End of story.
 
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HOLY God the father, HOLY Spirit, and HOLY Jesus Christ all clearly revealed that they think this way in both the old and new testament as well as in the hearts of those of us who have been "born again" (e.g. supernaturally spiritually regenerated by the HOLY Spirit).

You're ad hominem and false assertions about me and my character aside, you're in great denial and rebellion to a HOLY God, His Word, and His perfect will for humanity.

The well-being of the LGBT demographic is best ensured when they repent of their sexual immorality and align with Holy God, His Word, and His will for humanity and their lives in which one is saved into His kingdom away from the immorality of the world embarking upon a new way of living in a sanctified manner as a new creature in Christ toward ultimate perfection in eternity with God.

God's plan: Salvation-->Sanctification-->Glorification

Your plan: Deception-->Desecration-->Condemnation

Not difficult to see which one aligns with the HOLY bible here. Hint: It's not your plan.
Your false teachings do not reflect the unconditional love of God and of His Divine Son Jesus Christ for all of mankind. You need a serious examination of conscience in that regard.
 
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The parity is not correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from apostate far-left sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue propagating a deception that sexual immorality is part of God's design for humanity and desecrating sacrilegiously His sacramental marriage covenant which the bible clearly defines as absolute monogamy. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ as "new creatures" to pursue holiness and godliness until we fully enter into His presence.

As Peter stated in 1 Peter1:

"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,"

and in 2 Peter 3:

"Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace."

As Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 6:

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."

and in 1 Thessalonians 4:

"Finally, then, brothers, we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, just as you are doing, that you do so more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God."

Etc... etc... etc...

You see my ignorant new friend, sanctification in scripture is:
1. A work completed in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30 – Christ has become for us our sanctification; 6:11 – we have been sanctified; Hebrews 10:10 – we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ).

2. A present work of life in setting ourselves apart to God (1 Thessalonians 4:3-7).

3. A future work to be performed at Christ’s return (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

You're wrong immoral view aligns with the heresy of Christian Gnosticism. It is not a genuine Christian exegesis or worldview.

As the author of Hebrews states in Hebrews 10:26-31:

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

^ Which is exactly what you wrongly teach people to do. Shame on you. Follow Christ's command and repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.
You need to seriously repent on your knees for continuing your tirade that will only cause more hurt to innocent LGBT citizens just as in the time of The Inquisition when bigotry caused not only hurt but many deaths of innocent people all done in the name of holiness. False and egregious teachings were used then to justify their unjust and cruel actions and they are just as false today when used against innocent LGBT citizens. Fortunately, your opinion is in the *minority* now as people have awakened to the fact that that position will not work anymore in today's smart and evolving world.
 
Mar 8, 2015
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The parity is not correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from apostate far-left sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue propagating a deception that sexual immorality is part of God's design for humanity and desecrating sacrilegiously His sacramental marriage covenant which the bible clearly defines as absolute monogamy. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ as "new creatures" to pursue holiness and godliness until we fully enter into His presence.

As Peter stated in 1 Peter1:

"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile,"

and in 2 Peter 3:

"Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace."

As Paul stated in 1 Corinthians 6:

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."

and in 1 Thessalonians 4:

"Finally, then, brothers, we ask and urge you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God, just as you are doing, that you do so more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God."

Etc... etc... etc...

You see my ignorant new friend, sanctification in scripture is:
1. A work completed in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30 – Christ has become for us our sanctification; 6:11 – we have been sanctified; Hebrews 10:10 – we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ).

2. A present work of life in setting ourselves apart to God (1 Thessalonians 4:3-7).

3. A future work to be performed at Christ’s return (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

You're wrong immoral view aligns with the heresy of Christian Gnosticism. It is not a genuine Christian exegesis or worldview.

As the author of Hebrews states in Hebrews 10:26-31:

"For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

^ Which is exactly what you wrongly teach people to do. Shame on you. Follow Christ's command and repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.
The shame is on you, my friend. But it appears that you do not know shame so I will pray that God opens your eyes to Compassion, Forgiveness, Non-Judgment, and Unconditional Love.
 
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Your rejection of sound doctrine does not reflect the agape love and holiness of God and of His Divine Son Jesus Christ for all of mankind. You need a serious examination of conscience in that regard.

You're misrepresenting the word of God and teaching the heresy of antinomianism.

Holy God’s reaching toward us in unconditional love (Rom 5:8) is all grace. However as we see in every book of the New Testament, the restored relationship with God is the condition within which our lives are being transformed in such a way that God’s purposes for our lives are brought about.

In Romans 6, genuine Christians are defined as those who have been baptized into Christ, buried with him and raised with him so that we “might walk in newness of life” (Rom 6:3–4 RSV) as a possibility yet to be realized. Paul then goes on to say that our sinful self has been “crucified with” Christ, that we are no longer “slaves to sin” (Rom 6:5–11) and “Therefore do not let sin reign. … Do not offer [yourselves] to sin as instruments of wickedness … but rather to God … as instruments of righteousness” (Rom 6:12–13).

In theology, this process of putting off our sinfulness (with God's power as a church as we are inwardly healed) and becoming holier is called 'sanctification'. Sanctification is a life-long call for the genuine Christian that begins with salvation.

For some, especially those who have been deeply immersed in the corruption of the world today with it's flood of graphic pornography, "free" sex mentality, and anti-Christ ideologies: this process of sanctification is very difficult and there are both great successes but also real failures over the course of life.

But it is in scripture that we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.



Your false teachings do not reflect the unconditional love of God and of His Divine Son Jesus Christ for all of mankind. You need a serious examination of conscience in that regard.
 
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Your rejection of sound doctrine does not reflect the agape love and holiness of God and of His Divine Son Jesus Christ for all of mankind. You need a serious examination of conscience in that regard.

You're misrepresenting the word of God and teaching the heresy of antinomianism.

Holy God’s reaching toward us in unconditional love (Rom 5:8) is all grace. However as we see in every book of the New Testament, the restored relationship with God is the condition within which our lives are being transformed in such a way that God’s purposes for our lives are brought about.

In Romans 6, genuine Christians are defined as those who have been baptized into Christ, buried with him and raised with him so that we “might walk in newness of life” (Rom 6:3–4 RSV) as a possibility yet to be realized. Paul then goes on to say that our sinful self has been “crucified with” Christ, that we are no longer “slaves to sin” (Rom 6:5–11) and “Therefore do not let sin reign. … Do not offer [yourselves] to sin as instruments of wickedness … but rather to God … as instruments of righteousness” (Rom 6:12–13).

In theology, this process of putting off our sinfulness (with God's power as a church as we are inwardly healed) and becoming holier is called 'sanctification'. Sanctification is a life-long call for the genuine Christian that begins with salvation.

For some, especially those who have been deeply immersed in the corruption of the world today with it's flood of graphic pornography, "free" sex mentality, and anti-Christ ideologies: this process of sanctification is very difficult and there are both great successes but also real failures over the course of life.

But it is in scripture that we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral licence, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives.
It would be much appreciated if you do not continue to parrot what I have said. Your references against same-sex marriage do not reflect that of many people in these United States to include Clergy and Evangelicals. You hold a minority opinion on this issue that cannot withstand scrutiny.
 
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Paul states in 2 timothy 4:

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside..."

That's the behavior you're exhibiting in this thread. Furthermore, that behavior is echoed in 2 Thessalonians as the great "falling away" from sound doctrine that precedes the rise of the anti-Christ.

But as Paul instructed the Ephesians church in chapter 5:

"For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not be partakers with them."

I have an M.Div. and understand scripture quite well. Please sure your credentials as I'm looking forward to qualifying them.


Fortunately, your opinion is in the *minority* now as people have awakened to the fact that that position will not work anymore in today's smart and evolving world.
 
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It would be much appreciated if you do not continue to parrot what I have said. Your references against same-sex marriage do not reflect that of many people in these United States to include Clergy and Evangelicals. You hold a minority opinion on this issue that cannot withstand scrutiny.
The number of people holding an opinion has no bearing on the correctness or incorrectness of that opinion. What is popular can be wrong. You gotta have more than sheer numbers on your side to be right.

Also, Clergy and Evangelicals can be incorrect. The status or title of the person has no bearing on the correctness or incorrectness of their opinions either. You gotta have more than status or title on your side to be right.

Your claims notwithstanding, your argument in the quoted post to support the validity of your claims is weak.
 
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I'll continue to share scripture and the orthodox historical exegesis. If your apostate heresy doesn't align with that then you need to repent from it while there's still time.

And your assertion that homosexual immorality is embraced by the majority of clergy and evangelicals in the U.S. is yet another false assertion that you're making. Pew Research asserts that fully 74% of white evangelical Protestants say there is a conflict between homosexuality and their religious beliefs, as do majorities of white Catholics (62%) and black Protestants (58%).

But it's true that acceptance of sexual immorality is trending upwards in Western societies presently though tending downward in Latin America, Russia, etc...

But, of course, the immutability of God assures that even if everyone in the world accepted sexual immorality as "moral" that wouldn't change God's holiness, normative morality, and position one iota. God's moral law doesn't change to accommodate immoral people or popularity polls. You either align with it or you don't align with it. Truth is found in correspondence. You obviously don't align with God's holiness and normative morality and need to repent from your heresy and immoral lifestyle.


It would be much appreciated if you do not continue to parrot what I have said. Your references against same-sex marriage do not reflect that of many people in these United States to include Clergy and Evangelicals. You hold a minority opinion on this issue that cannot withstand scrutiny.
 

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The parity is correct. You need to educate yourself better and not be so one-sided about this issue. Of course, introducing links from far-right sources is going to produce the type of information you hope to use in order to continue keeping innocent Gay and Lesbian people as second-class citizens. That is as sad as it is outrageous. Again, the bottom line is that we are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ who did not condemn Gay and Lesbian individuals. All other personal beliefs are fallacious. End of story.
Hello, Heart. I fully understand loving everyone regardless of their sinful behavior, but loving the person and accepting their behavior are 2 separate issues. You are basically saying that unless I accept their behavior, and endorse it by advocating homosexual marriage, that I hate them. I don't get that.

I always ask this question with this issue. Do you also advocate polygamous, incestuous, or pedophile marriage? If not why not? You claim that love is all we should be concerned with. If so then you have no argument against 2 brothers marrying or a grandmother and grandchild, a man having 10 wives etc...
 
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The number of people holding an opinion has no bearing on the correctness or incorrectness of that opinion. What is popular can be wrong. You gotta have more than sheer numbers on your side to be right.

Also, Clergy and Evangelicals can be incorrect. The status or title of the person has no bearing on the correctness or incorrectness of their opinions either. You gotta have more than status or title on your side to be right.

Your claims notwithstanding, your argument in the quoted post to support the validity of your claims is weak.
Right on! And if we follow the majority . . . we could end up in destruction. Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat, Matthew 7:13.
 
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I'll continue to share scripture and the orthodox historical exegesis. If your apostate heresy doesn't align with that then you need to repent from it while there's still time.

And your assertion that homosexual immorality is embraced by the majority of clergy and evangelicals in the U.S. is yet another false assertion that you're making. Pew Research asserts that fully 74% of white evangelical Protestants say there is a conflict between homosexuality and their religious beliefs, as do majorities of white Catholics (62%) and black Protestants (58%).

But it's true that acceptance of sexual immorality is trending upwards in Western societies presently though tending downward in Latin America, Russia, etc...

But, of course, the immutability of God assures that even if everyone in the world accepted sexual immorality as "moral" that wouldn't change God's holiness, normative morality, and position one iota. God's moral law doesn't change to accommodate immoral people or popularity polls. You either align with it or you don't align with it. Truth is found in correspondence. You obviously don't align with God's holiness and normative morality and need to repent from your heresy and immoral lifestyle.
You need to wake up to the fact that religious leaders know the truth that there is no condemnation of same-sex marriage by Jesus Christ thus, actively support it. To continue to embrace an antiquated way of thinking with teachings that are fraught with inaccuracies no longer practiced in this day and age is to continue to live in a draconian state which is dangerous to the welfare of most human beings.

Please read the following.

Coalition of Faith Leaders and Theologians Declare Religious Support for Same-Sex Marriage as Congress Prepares to Debate Anti-Gay Federal Marriage Amendment

Open Letter From Faith Leaders Supports Same-Sex Marriage

"We refute those who would use selected verses of scripture to condemn the marriage of gay and lesbian people," said the Reverend Dr. Marvin Ellison who teaches Christian social ethics at Bangor Theological Seminary. "Contrary to this distortion of religious tradition, the overall message of the Bible neither commends a single marriage model nor commands all to marry, but rather calls for love and justice in all relationships."
 
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Hello, Heart. I fully understand loving everyone regardless of their sinful behavior, but loving the person and accepting their behavior are 2 separate issues. You are basically saying that unless I accept their behavior, and endorse it by advocating homosexual marriage, that I hate them. I don't get that.

I always ask this question with this issue. Do you also advocate polygamous, incestuous, or pedophile marriage? If not why not? You claim that love is all we should be concerned with. If so then you have no argument against 2 brothers marrying or a grandmother and grandchild, a man having 10 wives etc...
Hello PennEd. Yet in Christ there is no separation between love and behavior. That is due to Christ's Unconditional Love. You either love the person and leave the judgment to God or you do not love the person at all and continue to take God's place such as to judge them.

I do not say that you hate people you find you cannot accept. But rather that you should have a heart filled with love for those whom God loves which includes same-sex oriented people. I am not here to force you to think as I do. I, however, would hope that you would see that maintaining your stance against those who are born different from you and advocating against them is spiritually unjust and the wrong thing to do because there is no love or compassion in that.

As for your question with regard to "Do you also advocate polygamous, incestuous, or pedophile marriage?" that has absolutely no bearing in this conversation and it is sad that you would attempt to make that connection. What you bring up is hardly the same and of course I do not advocate for those things. Why not? Because, and again, those things are hardly equal to same-sex marriage between two responsible adults who love each other from the heart with unwavering commitment and there can be no love from the heart in your aforementioned relationships. Also, the law forbids marriage for people who would practice those things, as it should. Your argument and diatribe is fraught with prejudice attempting to compare apples to oranges. It doesn't work in this conversation. Never has and never will.
 
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Right on! And if we follow the majority . . . we could end up in destruction. Wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat, Matthew 7:13.
Greetings Galahad. Please take a look at the following fine website from a denomination that traditionally has not supported same-sex marriage for answers that may surprise you in relation to the subject matter. It is from a Theology scholar in the Word of God. (The link goes directly to the page with regard to same-sex marriage.)

A Catholic Defense of Same Sex Marriage

By Professor Daniel C. Maguire
a Catholic Theologian teaching at Marquette University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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"The Catholic Church is beginning to rediscover what it once knew; that not all persons are heterosexual, that many people are homosexual and that this is just fine. In the past, the Church accepted homosexuality more openly and even had liturgies to celebrate same sex unions.1 There was a recognition that different sexual orientations are clearly part of God's plan for creation-some people are heterosexual and some are homosexual-this is the way God made us and we have no right to criticize God."
 
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You need to wake up to the fact that genuine Christian theologians know the truth that sexual immorality, which includes homosexual immorality, is a sin as is the sacrilege of "homosexual marriage" and so rightfully actively oppose it.

To continue to embrace serious sexual immorality such as homosexuality and pervert the sacrament of the marriage covenant which is limited by God Himself to absolute monogamy is to engage in willful rebellion against God, His Holiness, and His plan for humanity.

As has already been explained to you; God's Holiness, normative morality, immutability, etc... are UNCHANGING.

"What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun." -Ecclesiastes 1:9.

You're error is a historical repeat of earlier heresies from which you need to repent lest you suffer the same condemnation and loss of blessing that those immoral heretics did.

Which I suppose begins now by warning you that the propagation of sexual immorality here violates the rules of this forum. Please cease engaging in the behavior or your time here may be limited. Thanking you in advance.


You need to wake up to the fact that religious leaders know the truth that there is no condemnation of same-sex marriage by Jesus Christ thus, actively support it. To continue to embrace an antiquated way of thinking with teachings that are fraught with inaccuracies no longer practiced in this day and age is to continue to live in a draconian state which is dangerous to the welfare of most human beings.

Please read the following.

Coalition of Faith Leaders and Theologians Declare Religious Support for Same-Sex Marriage as Congress Prepares to Debate Anti-Gay Federal Marriage Amendment

Open Letter From Faith Leaders Supports Same-Sex Marriage
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The antinomianist heresy your propagating here at CC against this forum rules was already rebutted as the unbiblical practice of living without regard to the righteousness of God and using God's grace as a license to sin which is immoral in and of itself and an offense against God that cost Him His only begotten son.

Paul speaks against the concept of antinomianism in Rom. 6:1-2: "Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?" We are not to use the grace of God as a means of sin. Instead, we are to be controlled by the love of God and in that way bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit (Gal. 5:22-25).

Also your false assertions with respect to the topic of judging is also unscriptural as was explained to you in post 298 and other places meaning you have no excuse for dismissing the truth to continue making fallacious statements which you've also extended to falsely portray people who align with God and His Word, instead of your heresies and erroneous statements, as hateful when in fact they are being both loving and truthful instead of merely a heretic who loves the world such as yourself which John spoke of in 1 John 2:15:

"Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

The meaning here is significant for scripture is asserting that you really don't have God's love but really simply love the world and the immorality contained within it.

And you need to take a logic 101 class because you're making false assertions about the deconstruction of marriage too here but I'll let Dr. Ryan Anderson explain it to you <skip to 2:30>:

[video=youtube_share;YWIhZ5xJJaQ]http://youtu.be/YWIhZ5xJJaQ[/video]

Again, if you continue propagating blatant heresy and advocating for sexual immorality you're violating the forum's rules and we're going to have to start reporting you for that.


Hello PennEd. Yet in Christ there is no separation between love and behavior. That is due to Christ's Unconditional Love. You either love the person and leave the judgment to God or you do not love the person at all and continue to take God's place such as to judge them.

I do not say that you hate people you find you cannot accept. But rather that you should have a heart filled with love for those whom God loves which includes same-sex oriented people. I am not here to force you to think as I do. I, however, would hope that you would see that maintaining your stance against those who are born different from you and advocating against them is spiritually unjust and the wrong thing to do because there is no love or compassion in that.

As for your question with regard to "Do you also advocate polygamous, incestuous, or pedophile marriage?" that has absolutely no bearing in this conversation and it is sad that you would attempt to make that connection. What you bring up is hardly the same and of course I do not advocate for those things. Why not? Because, and again, those things are hardly equal to same-sex marriage between two responsible adults who love each other from the heart with unwavering commitment and there can be no love from the heart in your aforementioned relationships. Also, the law forbids marriage for people who would practice those things, as it should. Your argument and diatribe is fraught with prejudice attempting to compare apples to oranges. It doesn't work in this conversation. Never has and never will.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Roman Catholicism (RCC) has a great many theological errors associated with it and this particular forum does not align with the errors of RCC so appealing to an erroneous RCC theological position isn't going to help you "prove" that the sexual immorality of homosexuality condemned in scripture is somehow mitigated by the sacrilege of desecrating the sacrament of the marriage covenant that God Himself restricted to absolute monogamy.

Greetings Galahad. Please take a look at the following fine website from a denomination that traditionally has not supported same-sex marriage for answers that may surprise you in relation to the subject matter. It is from a Theology scholar in the Word of God. (The link goes directly to the page with regard to same-sex marriage.)

A Catholic Defense of Same Sex Marriage

By Professor Daniel C. Maguire
a Catholic Theologian teaching at Marquette University, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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I don't think you're hearing me. I WAS BORN GAY. Please stop and let that sink in for a moment.
I'm catching up on the thread. Were you born having sexual thoughts about the same gender? Were you thinking sexual thoughts when you were a baby or a toddler?