How to enjoy even pain also?

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A devotee asked, ‘Several people are asking that how the physical pain received by a person can be enjoyed?’



Swami replied: There are several illustrations to prove that the physical pain can be also enjoyed. In boxing, when the opponent embraces you strongly, you feel unhappy because such a situation leads to your defeat. But, when you are embraced by a beautiful girl, you feel more happiness and the degree of your happiness is proportional to the strength of the embracement!. Therefore, the physical pain in one situation is unhappy, whereas the same physical pain in another situation leads to happiness. Even when you eat the hot dish, your tongue is burning due to the vigor of chillies and your eyes are showering the tears. All these symptoms are the indication of unhappiness only.

But still you enjoy the happiness in eating the hot dish. Therefore, you cannot link the enjoyment with mere external material. Ofcourse, the external material gives rise to the feeling and the feeling may be pleasant or unpleasant depending on one factor, which is that whether the external material is interacted continuously or not. If you are interacting with any item or situation of the creation continuously, you become unhappy. Even the embracement of the beautiful girl becomes unpleasant, if such embracement continues without gap.

If you are exposed to the heat for a long time you feel happiness in cold as in the case of the Indian. If you are exposed to cold for a long time you feel happiness in the warmness and heat as in the case of a foreigner. Hence the process of enjoyment depends on the alternating interaction with the external items or situations in this world. Hence, any continuous interaction with the same item or situation gives unhappiness, whereas the change in the interaction gives happiness. God is the Father of the souls and hence arranges the life cycles of the souls with alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes.

Even though you have done sins continuously for some long span of time and good deeds continuously in another long span of time, God does not arrange the life cycles with the continuous misery and continuous happiness proportionally in corresponding long spans of time.

God neglects this continuous span of time and arranges the life cycle in such a way so that every life cycle is fixed with alternating fruits of sins and good deeds. The re-arrangement of the good and bad fruits in alternating fashion by drawing good and bad fruits from both these span is done by God, who is omnipotent.

You may expect God to cancel all the sins due to His omnipotent nature. If it is done like that, you will not enjoy since continuity of anything leads to misery. Hence even in such case, misery is inevitable. Therefore, if you do not pray God for removing the miseries, God has already arranged the life cycles in best way to give you continuous enjoyment. You are praying God to remove the difficulties, which are the fruits of your bad deeds. The law of justice does not accept the cancellation of the fruit of any deed. Hence, due to your prayers the difficulties are postponed to later births by God along with compounded interest. You also pray God to give continuous happiness. For this God, draws the good fruits from the future births with reduced interest to the present life cycle. Due to such continuous enjoyment of good fruits, you are again bored with misery.

Hence, you are totally foolish in disturbing the already designed life cycles of God. As a result of this foolishness your future births will be full of continuous miseries. The continuity of the misery gives you unhappiness just like the continuity of happiness. Therefore, pray God always attracted by your love to His divine personality and not for disturbing the already best designed life cycles by God due to His paternal affection. Therefore, you will be continuously happy by enjoying the alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes of life and by not asking anything from God.
 

loveme1

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I don't enjoy pain, that is why it is called "pain"

I ask for relief from pain through Yahshua the Messiah.

I don't remember reading that He taught the sick that pain was to be enjoyed.

It would not be pain if it could be enjoyed.

Stop spreading this please.

You do not know the Truth, if you did you would of known better than to write such things.
 

Marcella

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You may expect God to cancel all the sins due to His omnipotent nature.
Yes. Exactly.
True believers do believe that God will forgive our sins. In fact, God made this promise to us. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9) God encourages us to seek forgiveness and repent, or turn from our wickedness. This allows a closer walk with God.
Of course we want this!

Hence, you are totally foolish in disturbing the already designed life cycles of God.
Don't presume to know what is foolishness when you don't even know what is truth. You come to a Christian forum, pushing Hinduism, encouraging people to explore the darkness of idolatry and wickedness. You have created gods in whatever likeness you wish and try to disguise the teachings of demons by twising the true teachings of the One True God with subtle changes. Jesus is the Living Word, so when you twist the Scriptures, you're messing with God Himself.

Now THAT is foolish!
May God have mercy on your soul.
 
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OFM

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i agree with the above post,here at christian chat we believe in and live by the Bible Thruth the Thruth in the Holy Sacred Scriptures of Gods' Holy Word Only.We Present That Spiritual Truth Alone and Alone Only.amen....
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice!

Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near.
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Therefore, you will be continuously happy by enjoying the alternating pleasant and unpleasant scenes of life and by not asking anything from God.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
 

lil_christian

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Okay...

You don't need to enjoy pain.

Here's what you DO need to do, though.

1. Remain joyful in all circumstances. Remember that our circumstances are not who we are, what we do is not who we are, we are who we are in Christ. And our joy should not be subjective to our circumstances.

2. Thank God regardless. Not saying to thank God for the pain. But give thanks to God for the good He HAS done, and that regardless, He is faithful. No matter what happens in life, God is faithful.
 

Dude653

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Pain is bad...I don't like stuff that's bad.
 
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Brandon777

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Small detail, has big repercussions.

Okay...

You don't need to enjoy pain.

Here's what you DO need to do, though.

1. Remain joyful in all circumstances. Remember that our circumstances are not who we are, what we do is not who we are, we are who we are in Christ. And our joy should not be subjective to our circumstances
Remaining joyful in all circumstances is not biblical, and sometimes is even a sin. Pastors get this philosophy from James 1:2-4 "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various temptations, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." A test of faith does not equate to pain. A test of faith is a supernatural, metaphysical existence of purpose for suffering. It is not suffering itself. Please do not get these two things confused. It's a dangerous road to say to remain happy all the time, because that's not what Jesus did "Jesus wept" and that's not what the Bible supports. Jesus said, blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. This attitude undermines the somber realities of the terrible things that may happen throughout life. Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 says "It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men, and the living should take this to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter; for by the sadness of the face the heart is made good. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth." The teaching that we should all just be happy no matter what happens is a false one. "Contentment with godliness is great gain." Joy in the Lord despite circumstances is good, but what does that mean? Does that mean you feel happy when you're in a state of mourning, depression or sadness? No. It means you allow Jesus Christ to comfort you and give your heart food to stay away from bitterness.

I hope wwjd_kilden and PopClick see this also.
 
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flight316

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Swami replies, we don't follow any swamis. Devotees, devotees to what? Your profile says that you are a christian. That means that you are a follower of Jesus Christ, swami.
 
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flight316

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Swami replies, we don't follow any swamis. Devotees, devotees to what? Your profile says that you are a christian. That means that you are a follower of Jesus Christ, swami. Stop wasteing our time.
 
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Ugly

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Swami replies, we don't follow any swamis. Devotees, devotees to what? Your profile says that you are a christian. That means that you are a follower of Jesus Christ, swami. Stop wasteing our time.

He was banned 8 hours before your post haha.
 

PopClick

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Re: Small detail, has big repercussions.

Remaining joyful in all circumstances is not biblical, and sometimes is even a sin. Pastors get this philosophy from James 1:2-4 "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various temptations, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." A test of faith does not equate to pain. A test of faith is a supernatural, metaphysical existence of purpose for suffering. It is not suffering itself. Please do not get these two things confused. It's a dangerous road to say to remain happy all the time, because that's not what Jesus did "Jesus wept" and that's not what the Bible supports. Jesus said, blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. This attitude undermines the somber realities of the terrible things that may happen throughout life. Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 says "It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men, and the living should take this to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter; for by the sadness of the face the heart is made good. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth." The teaching that we should all just be happy no matter what happens is a false one. "Contentment with godliness is great gain." Joy in the Lord despite circumstances is good, but what does that mean? Does that mean you feel happy when you're in a state of mourning, depression or sadness? No. It means you allow Jesus Christ to comfort you and give your heart food to stay away from bitterness.

I hope wwjd_kilden and PopClick see this also.
Yep, I see it. But being joyful isn't the same thing as a cheesy "I'm so happy no matter what" attitude. The way I look at it (and I think this is what Lil meant too, but we'll let her answer if she'd like to)... to be joyful is to delight yourself in the Lord. To rejoice in the Lord always.

4Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

10But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked opportunity. 11Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.
 

lil_christian

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Re: Small detail, has big repercussions.

Remaining joyful in all circumstances is not biblical, and sometimes is even a sin. Pastors get this philosophy from James 1:2-4 "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various temptations, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." A test of faith does not equate to pain. A test of faith is a supernatural, metaphysical existence of purpose for suffering. It is not suffering itself. Please do not get these two things confused. It's a dangerous road to say to remain happy all the time, because that's not what Jesus did "Jesus wept" and that's not what the Bible supports. Jesus said, blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. This attitude undermines the somber realities of the terrible things that may happen throughout life. Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 says "It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men, and the living should take this to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter; for by the sadness of the face the heart is made good. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth." The teaching that we should all just be happy no matter what happens is a false one. "Contentment with godliness is great gain." Joy in the Lord despite circumstances is good, but what does that mean? Does that mean you feel happy when you're in a state of mourning, depression or sadness? No. It means you allow Jesus Christ to comfort you and give your heart food to stay away from bitterness.

I hope wwjd_kilden and PopClick see this also.
Did I say you can't cry or have any other emotions? I'm just saying, no matter what you're going through, there is always a reason to be joyful and be content.

And you SHOULD consider it joy to go through trials. I have gone through PLENTY in the past year, and I did not do this...I didn't say thanks to God regardless. I wasn't mad at Him...but I didn't let Him help me and let Him comfort me and give me joy and contentedness.

As I said...it's okay to be upset. It's okay to cry. There's a time for everything. But we still need to have that underlying joy, regardless of what goes on.

Believe me, I'm no optimist. I say this because I know it to be true.

And yeah, PopClick. You helped me say what I didn't know how to say. :D
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Re: Small detail, has big repercussions.

Remaining joyful in all circumstances is not biblical, and sometimes is even a sin. Pastors get this philosophy from James 1:2-4 "Count it all joy, my brothers, when you fall into various temptations, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." A test of faith does not equate to pain. A test of faith is a supernatural, metaphysical existence of purpose for suffering. It is not suffering itself. Please do not get these two things confused. It's a dangerous road to say to remain happy all the time, because that's not what Jesus did "Jesus wept" and that's not what the Bible supports. Jesus said, blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. This attitude undermines the somber realities of the terrible things that may happen throughout life. Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 says "It is better to go to the house of mourning than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men, and the living should take this to heart. Sorrow is better than laughter; for by the sadness of the face the heart is made good. The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth." The teaching that we should all just be happy no matter what happens is a false one. "Contentment with godliness is great gain." Joy in the Lord despite circumstances is good, but what does that mean? Does that mean you feel happy when you're in a state of mourning, depression or sadness? No. It means you allow Jesus Christ to comfort you and give your heart food to stay away from bitterness.

I hope wwjd_kilden and PopClick see this also.
Why was that directed at me? I did not support the view of being happy- clappy always.
As a matter of fact I pointed out bad stuff happens to everyone
 

lil_christian

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Re: Small detail, has big repercussions.

Why was that directed at me? I did not support the view of being happy- clappy always.
As a matter of fact I pointed out bad stuff happens to everyone
It was because you liked my post *sigh*
 
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dmdave17

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You guys have pretty much said it all. Where do these people come from?
 
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Brandon777

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Oh well, I can't seem to tell you guys anything you're too smart. I actually took most of that post from an earlier one. Anyway, I might have annoyed some people with it I guess. sorry -_-