Dear jenifer...May all our prayers that have been lifted up to God from us be answered...He knows what you need, and right now He wants you to lean on Him and trust Him with all your heart...No matter what your mind tells you, or how your feelings tell you, take no notice of these as these will be up in the air, but our Father, who art in Heaven knows your every move, His eye is on you right now, He protects those who are His...Old doors are being shut right now and new ones are being opened for you, take a step of faith in the LORD, for He is your helper...xox...
Husband got mad and shoved me into the counter and cubbard I am calling Abw tomorrow
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Guess I"m a little confused about the cops allegedly not doing anything to help you.
What state, city, town or county are you in? Does that jurisdiction have mandatory arrest and/or primary aggressor policies for DV incidents?
Most (if not all) LE agencies are very keen and sensitive as to the issue of DV, so I don't understand why they would turn a blind eye to it. In this day and time, it's pretty much career-ending to ignore spousal abuse.
What state, city, town or county are you in? Does that jurisdiction have mandatory arrest and/or primary aggressor policies for DV incidents?
Most (if not all) LE agencies are very keen and sensitive as to the issue of DV, so I don't understand why they would turn a blind eye to it. In this day and time, it's pretty much career-ending to ignore spousal abuse.
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I pray the Lord protect you and guide you, Jennifer. ❤
Path to Safety – The National Domestic Violence Hotline
City of Rochester | Domestic Violence
Path to Safety – The National Domestic Violence Hotline
City of Rochester | Domestic Violence
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Jennifer, one of my daughters works in a program like this. they can, and will help you in many ways, including going to court with you, if you like. please contact them along with the police as they typically work in concert.
may the Lord keep you safe. ♥
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You have no idea what the police find when they arrive, what the evidence leads to, what the witnesses state, or if they really are called at all.
At this point, if the police are called +24 hours after the incident, they will likely require the complainant testify under oath, in front of a judicial officer; whether it be a magistrate, commissioner, JOP, or district judge, depending on the state they are in; to obtain a warrant.
What I like, is when someone calls 911, saying their spouse is beating them up, and when I get there, no one knows nothing, the complainant, says nothing happened, and I have no choice to leave. The same complainant goes out the next day, saying the police are lazy, and didn't do anything.
At this point, if the police are called +24 hours after the incident, they will likely require the complainant testify under oath, in front of a judicial officer; whether it be a magistrate, commissioner, JOP, or district judge, depending on the state they are in; to obtain a warrant.
What I like, is when someone calls 911, saying their spouse is beating them up, and when I get there, no one knows nothing, the complainant, says nothing happened, and I have no choice to leave. The same complainant goes out the next day, saying the police are lazy, and didn't do anything.
It's called fear. Of course the one being abused is going to be reluctant to talk... Especially if the abuser is there with her, she gonna clam up. Too many times I've had cops say "there's nothing we can do unless HE does something".. :/ So what is Jenn supposed to do, wait until he bashes her head in while she sleeps? Obviously then, she won't be able to call the cops on this jack donkey, because she'll BE DEAD. 
Maybe you don't know, but this is the hell she's been living in and with, since she joined here and even before that. She's scared for her kids, herself and her pets. He's been constantly physically abusive, and has just crossed the line again. THANK GOD her daughter doesn't live with her. I fear for her safety, and the safety of her dogs. If she leaves and doesn't take them with her, he will probably kill or torture them just to make a point to her. :/
Maybe you don't know, but this is the hell she's been living in and with, since she joined here and even before that. She's scared for her kids, herself and her pets. He's been constantly physically abusive, and has just crossed the line again. THANK GOD her daughter doesn't live with her. I fear for her safety, and the safety of her dogs. If she leaves and doesn't take them with her, he will probably kill or torture them just to make a point to her. :/
Well, you're a cop, right? If the responsibility of law enforcement is to serve and protect, then why aren't they trained to spot domestic abuse? I mean, the average idiot from off the street could look at someone and tell if they're abused or not. The lack of eye contact when talking, the lip biting, the scared glances all around. Not to mention any fresh bruises they may see. If cops truly want to protect battered women from these scumbags, they should be specifically trained to spot the abuse, whether the victim talks or not.
Don't you have the right to search a vehicle or house on grounds of suspicion that it may have drugs in it? Then why can't the cops arrest a wife beater on suspected grounds of domestic abuse?
Don't you have the right to search a vehicle or house on grounds of suspicion that it may have drugs in it? Then why can't the cops arrest a wife beater on suspected grounds of domestic abuse?
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I understand just what you're saying Lady Blue. I remained in an abusive situation for years for the same reason: fear. Everyone needs to make a plan of escape that will work best for him or her. I advise anyone being abused by his or her partner to do as notmyown advised: Get help from a domestic violence shelter NOW, not later. These organizations are familiar with all the aspects of domestic violence, they know how to keep you safe, and they will provide free legal help as well.
Sadly, almost ¼ of police line-of-duty deaths occur because of domestic abuse calls. Just last week it made national news when a 19 year veteran of the police force was ambushed and killed in our little town while attempting to issue a warrant for domestic violence. It was the first time in the department’s history that an officer was killed in the line of duty. He left behind a wife and four children.
Statistically, the more anyone remains in an abusive situation, the more the abuser is convinced the victim has no value and no rights. And the more control violators believe they have, the more unreasonable and violent they become, and the more the abuse escalates. I think it's safer to do something now, rather than later when it escalates beyond reason.
Sadly, almost ¼ of police line-of-duty deaths occur because of domestic abuse calls. Just last week it made national news when a 19 year veteran of the police force was ambushed and killed in our little town while attempting to issue a warrant for domestic violence. It was the first time in the department’s history that an officer was killed in the line of duty. He left behind a wife and four children.
Statistically, the more anyone remains in an abusive situation, the more the abuser is convinced the victim has no value and no rights. And the more control violators believe they have, the more unreasonable and violent they become, and the more the abuse escalates. I think it's safer to do something now, rather than later when it escalates beyond reason.
You don't know what you're writing about here.
I can spot, and believe what ever I observe, but it requires probable cause to seize a person, not suspicion or a gut feeling. The victim absolutely has to cooperate and make a statement.
No the police can not search a person, place, or thing; except for with a warrant, based upon probable cause, not mere suspicion. There are few exceptions allowing for government agents to search a vehicle or person without warrant, but it still requires probable cause, and it's when the vehicles or persons are found to be traversing a public place, like a highway.
Probable cause is: Facts that lead a REASONABLE PERSON to believe a crime has been, or is being committed.
It's reasonable person, not a; police officer, lawyer, judge, former abuse victim, psychologists, physician, trained abuse detector, news reporter, civil rights activists, CC member, or any other know it all.
Suspicion would be observations made by a police officer, that through his training and experience, would lead him to believe that a crime may be happening, and needs further investigation, which is what the cops are doing when they show up anyways. Terry v. Ohio was a supreme court case, that extended an authority upon police to detain someone for a REASONABLE amount of time, to investigate a crime, based on reasonable suspicion.
Actually it's not the responsibility of the police to protect or serve.....the supreme court has ruled on that a few times too. It's a slogan some departments like to put on the side of cars. The police function is to bring persons that are in violation of the law, before judicial authority, and what ever evidence of the violation that is found. Also what ever function the legislature puts on law enforcement, but that varies from state to state.
You're a know it all, you should get hired, attend the academy, and become a police instructor on domestic violence.
I'm sorry blue lady, Jennifer is going to have to call the police, cooperate, and make a statement. She can also not call the police, and go before a judicial officer to give testimony for a warrant, charging her husband.
I can spot, and believe what ever I observe, but it requires probable cause to seize a person, not suspicion or a gut feeling. The victim absolutely has to cooperate and make a statement.
No the police can not search a person, place, or thing; except for with a warrant, based upon probable cause, not mere suspicion. There are few exceptions allowing for government agents to search a vehicle or person without warrant, but it still requires probable cause, and it's when the vehicles or persons are found to be traversing a public place, like a highway.
Probable cause is: Facts that lead a REASONABLE PERSON to believe a crime has been, or is being committed.
It's reasonable person, not a; police officer, lawyer, judge, former abuse victim, psychologists, physician, trained abuse detector, news reporter, civil rights activists, CC member, or any other know it all.
Suspicion would be observations made by a police officer, that through his training and experience, would lead him to believe that a crime may be happening, and needs further investigation, which is what the cops are doing when they show up anyways. Terry v. Ohio was a supreme court case, that extended an authority upon police to detain someone for a REASONABLE amount of time, to investigate a crime, based on reasonable suspicion.
Actually it's not the responsibility of the police to protect or serve.....the supreme court has ruled on that a few times too. It's a slogan some departments like to put on the side of cars. The police function is to bring persons that are in violation of the law, before judicial authority, and what ever evidence of the violation that is found. Also what ever function the legislature puts on law enforcement, but that varies from state to state.
You're a know it all, you should get hired, attend the academy, and become a police instructor on domestic violence.
I'm sorry blue lady, Jennifer is going to have to call the police, cooperate, and make a statement. She can also not call the police, and go before a judicial officer to give testimony for a warrant, charging her husband.
So, in your own opinion, what would YOU require as probable cause to arrest someone on a DV charge? And NO, I'm not a know it all.. I wish I were, lol, but I'm not. And if it's NOT the police's duty to serve and protect, then WHY is that their slogan and WHY is it emblazoned on popo cars? Kinda stupid, dontcha think. Are we supposed to protect ourselves, and kill those who try to harm us? If we do, then cops come along and arrest us so WTH??
And are you frickin' kidding me? Cops do illegal searches and seizures ALL THE TIME.. Just because they got a badge and a uniform, they think they can do anything and get away with it.
I WANT Jenn to call the cops on this ascot. I WANT her to press charges on him, and stick his butt in jail for awhile. HOWEVER, she is screwed right now, because she moved to her new apt. and brought idiot hubby with her. So it ain't gonna be easy or pretty to get rid of him. :/ I know that from personal experience, because my ex lived with me, got me evicted, and when I told him he was NOT coming with me to a new place, he tried to strangle me.
And you can bet if I ever DID become a cop, I'd be a heck of alot better cop than most, and do a better job of protecting abused women. I wouldn't say "sorry I can't help you until he kills you." Like alot of cops have said to me and some of my friends. :/
And if it's NOT the police's duty to serve and protect, then WHY is that their slogan and WHY is it emblazoned on popo cars? Kinda stupid, dontcha think. Are we supposed to protect ourselves, and kill those who try to harm us? If we do, then cops come along and arrest us so WTH??And are you frickin' kidding me? Cops do illegal searches and seizures ALL THE TIME.. Just because they got a badge and a uniform, they think they can do anything and get away with it.
I WANT Jenn to call the cops on this ascot. I WANT her to press charges on him, and stick his butt in jail for awhile. HOWEVER, she is screwed right now, because she moved to her new apt. and brought idiot hubby with her. So it ain't gonna be easy or pretty to get rid of him. :/ I know that from personal experience, because my ex lived with me, got me evicted, and when I told him he was NOT coming with me to a new place, he tried to strangle me.
And you can bet if I ever DID become a cop, I'd be a heck of alot better cop than most, and do a better job of protecting abused women.
I wouldn't say "sorry I can't help you until he kills you." Like alot of cops have said to me and some of my friends. :/