Is it wrong to want equality in a marriage?

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BTW.....even the mildest form of irritation is anger. I think we have confused what anger is and what it is for. The smallest amount of irritation (anger) is an indication of a crossed boundary or violated core belief. Anger is a secondary emotion and that is what its purpose is......to identify pain. People rarely get passed the anger and process the pain that precedes it. Unprocessed pain always leads to anger depression and anxiety which always lead to addictive behaviors, abuse and and whole host of bad life coping skills.....
I was in a relationship with a controlling guy for a short time. He tried to pick a fist fight with me, and I won. He left me alone after that. I have no anger regarding this.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a psychologist who has studied the topic, not from the perspective of a scorned woman.
 
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As a matter of fact....some women have indicated that they would rather be hit than beaten down with cutting words that men use. I hope you hear my heart in this and that I think all forms of abuse are unacceptable for any reason.
 
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I was in a relationship with a controlling guy for a short time. He tried to pick a fist fight with me, and I won. He left me alone after that. I have no anger regarding this.

I'm speaking from the perspective of a psychologist who has studied the topic, not from the perspective of a scorned woman.
Okay very cool. I can learn stuff from you....if you are willing to be patient with me. :)

I have to run for now but maybe we can converse again?
 
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Again...you are talking about an extreme....I am talking about average everyday abuse. There are more types of abuse than physical........there are also sexual and emotional/spiritual.
No, we are not in agreement.

No one conspires to be abused. I don't know why this is a matter of debate...
 
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No, we are not in agreement.

No one conspires to be abused. I don't know why this is a matter of debate...
Conspiring in ignorance and conspiring with thought are two very different things. As a Psychologist I would think that you would understand the difference.
 

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The point is that abusees do not choose to be abused. Abusers choose to abuse. It is the abuser's responsbility. Period. Full stop.
Why do abused women stay with abusive men? I personally know a case of a woman who is pregnant and is being beaten by her boyfriend. I feel sorry for her but at the same time I think this kind of women deserve their fate. Why do they continue to live with those animals?
 
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Conspiring in ignorance and conspiring with thought are two very different things. As a Psychologist I would think that you would understand the difference.
I've studied psychology for six years, and I've never heard the term "conspiring in ignorance." I even googled it, and google had no idea what I was talking about.
 
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Why do abused women stay with abusive men? I personally know a case of a woman who is pregnant and is being beaten by her boyfriend. I feel sorry for her but at the same time I think this kind of women deserve their fate. Why do they continue to live with those animals?
Because the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave. Women who are killed by their spouses are most likely to be killed when they try to leave.
 

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This may have already been said, but abusees don't choose to be abused. In the beginning of the relationship, they don't see any red flags. The abuser doesn't show any traits that suggest the person is a bad seed. Instead, he's charming. He's Mr. Perfect. And by the time the abuser shows his true side, the abused is already knee deep. My sister is a victim in this. And for all I know she could be in a ditch somewhere because she and her son has been isolated for over a year from everyone. I don't know how the topic shifted from equality to abuse, but whoever whoeversaid people choose to be abuse really need to do research about the topic. It's clearly not black and white.
 
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Because the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship is when she tries to leave. Women who are killed by their spouses are most likely to be killed when they try to leave.
Uhm...No! You see? This animal treated the same way his previous girlfriend and she said "No way I am going to allow a retarded man to hit me and humiliate me!" So she left! And she is alive and in a relationship with a man who respects her.
 

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Uhm...No! You see? This animal treated the same way his previous girlfriend and she said "No way I am going to allow a retarded man to hit me and humiliate me!" So she left! And she is alive and in a relationship with a man who respects her.
Not all women are like that though. Not all abusers threaten their victims the same way. For some it does take a lifetime unfortunately before they can finally be free.
 
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Uhm...No! You see? This animal treated the same way his previous girlfriend and she said "No way I am going to allow a retarded man to hit me and humiliate me!" So she left! And she is alive and in a relationship with a man who respects her.
She was lucky.

Also, abusers tend to isolate their victims from support groups and funds ... so that they can't leave. They also push children so the abusee feels a sense of obligation to stay so that their kids don't grow up without a dad. Worse, the abuser may threaten to hurt the child (or abusee's family) if the abusee tries to leave.

Your experience does not apply to all cases.
 

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Why do abused women stay with abusive men? I personally know a case of a woman who is pregnant and is being beaten by her boyfriend. I feel sorry for her but at the same time I think this kind of women deserve their fate. Why do they continue to live with those animals?

I can give you a lot of reasons why they stay.......fear......the abuser brainwashes the abused.....you
lose yourself in fear.....believing the lies....no one will love them....they lose self respect......self worth....the abuser shelters you from everyone....you have no where to go....you are reliant on
the abuser for survival....you have no money to go if you tried to leave.......knowing when you do...
they will find you....hunt you down......you make things worse when you leave.....at least if you
stay you can learn to control some of the abuse......oh there's more I can share.....but I think Ive said enough .....its a life no one should know.....its not talked about ....there are signs....but unless you
have lived it.....you will never see it coming.....its a gradual and increasing rollercoaster of ****.....
 
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I've studied psychology for six years, and I've never heard the term "conspiring in ignorance." I even googled it, and google had no idea what I was talking about.
lemme put it to you this way. If a victim of abise comes into your office seeking help, do you try to help her change her victimizers behavior or do you try to help her peel back Her own onion to get to the root of her issues. Not knowing why we humans do dumb things is ignorance...continuing to do dumb things and not questioning why is staying ignorant. Staying ignorant is a choice. Another way to say it is that we are anxious to improve our circumstance but either are to lazy or to obstinate to improve ourselves and the way we filter our experience through the garden of our minds.
 

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She was lucky.

Also, abusers tend to isolate their victims from support groups and funds ... so that they can't leave. They also push children so the abusee feels a sense of obligation to stay so that their kids don't grow up without a dad. Worse, the abuser may threaten to hurt the child (or abusee's family) if the abusee tries to leave.

Your experience does not apply to all cases.
She wasn't lucky. She did what every abused woman should do: LEAVE.
 
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I've studied psychology for six years, and I've never heard the term "conspiring in ignorance." I even googled it, and google had no idea what I was talking about.
Well maybe I just helped you in your career.
 

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She wasn't lucky. She did what every abused woman should do: LEAVE.
Abusers say things like "If you leave, where would you go? No one loves you. No one wants you. You're nothing but a piece of garbage." If you're told this over and over and over and over again, day after day, month after month, year after year, guess what? You'll have it in your head that despite how deeply you want to get out of it, you can't, because you've been brainwashed into thinking you can't leave.
 

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I can give you a lot of reasons why they stay.......fear......the abuser brainwashes the abused.....you
lose yourself in fear.....believing the lies....no one will love them....they lose self respect......self worth....the abuser shelters you from everyone....you have no where to go....you are reliant on
the abuser for survival....you have no money to go if you tried to leave.......knowing when you do...
they will find you....hunt you down......you make things worse when you leave.....at least if you
stay you can learn to control some of the abuse......oh there's more I can share.....but I think Ive said enough .....its a life no one should know.....its not talked about ....there are signs....but unless you
have lived it.....you will never see it coming.....its a gradual and increasing rollercoaster of ****.....
Don't forget to add stupidity to the list of reasons.
 
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lemme put it to you this way. If a victim of abise comes into your office seeking help, do you try to help her change her victimizers behavior or do you try to help her peel back Her own onion to get to the root of her issues. Not knowing why we humans do dumb things is ignorance...continuing to do dumb things and not questioning why is staying ignorant. Staying ignorant is a choice. Another way to say it is that we are anxious to improve our circumstance but either are to lazy or to obstinate to improve ourselves and the way we filter our experience through the garden of our minds.
What issues? You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible for being abused? No. It doesn't work that way. They are not going to improve their abuser's behavior by changing their behavior. That is impossible. So what I would do is tell the abusee to get out and get protection. If they didn't want to get out, I would tell them to get the abuser in therapy.

The only way ... and I absolutely mean only way ... for abuse to stop is to get the abuser to stop abusing. And even with extensive therapy for the abuser, that is incredibly difficult.
 
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What issues? You're saying that the victim is at least partially responsible for being abused? No. It doesn't work that way. They are not going to improve their abuser's behavior by changing their behavior. That is impossible. So what I would do is tell the abusee to get out and get protection. If they didn't want to get out, I would tell them to get the abuser in therapy.

The only way ... and I absolutely mean only way ... for abuse to stop is to get the abuser to stop abusing. And even with extensive therapy for the abuser, that is incredibly difficult.
Wow....I would not recommend you if that is your approach to helping someone overcome the things in their soul that keep them from getting healthy.