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nimbus3852

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Every church in America signs the 501c3. It is supposedly about the separation of church and state (and for a short rabit trail, there is no separation of Church and State in the constitution, or in the Bible, so why would a christian adhere to it? Those words (separation of church and state) were actually penned by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to a church. If I remember correctly it was some church in Danbury... maybe Virginia. The church was afraid the government was going to make them do something they didn't want to do (can't remember the specifics). So, Thomas Jefferson told them not to be afraid that the government would try to control the Church. So really, the only thing separation of church and state was meant to do was protect the Church from governmental control, like what they had left in England.) It is actually meant to hide from chuch goers the incredibly wicked things the government is doing.
The separation of church and state was made law in the United States by Everson v. Board of Education (1947)
Go to this website to see the proof of the letter from Thomas Jefferson to the church of Danbury Baptists.
Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists (June 1998) - Library of Congress Information Bulletin
I am aware of what Jefferson said.

Why would a Christian adhere to the separation between church and state? Because it is law.

Why would an individual Christian pay taxes to the United States government? Because it is law.

Same with speeding tickets. Because it is law.
 
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nimbus3852

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church is not where the hurting go. It is where the holier than thou go to be with those like themselves.
Many people experience Church in a way that is satisfying and rewarding. Perhaps there is some problem that is hindering your interaction. Is the preaching good? What about the music? The people?

Do you usually have trouble interacting socially?

I have rarely if ever felt loved. I cannot remember a time. Maybe when in the Word of God. Maybe when worshipping.
Has the idea of clinical depression been mentioned?

In my opening post I asked people not to say they love me. I want people to show it. It is so easy to say it, but love is not a feeling. It is an action. Off the top of my head I cannot think of one verse in 1 Corinthians 13 that talks about feelings. If I am wrong please let me know. Love is easy to say. It has never been done to me though.
I do not hate you, and you are not my enemy.
 
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LoveAnna

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Really, none of this matters. You will not agree with me, and I will not agree with you.


Actually that is a lie. Amendment 16 was not ratified by enough states to become a law but they rammed it through congress in 1913 durring the Christmas break. It is not a law. So... so far we see that it is not in the Bible, it is not a part of the Constitution, and it is a fact that there is no law in America that Americans pay income tax.

Tell me, when it becomes law (in the Affordable care act there is an imlantable microchip) to get a chip implanted in your right hand or forehead, will you do it, using "It is a law" as your defense. It would not be a good idea. It is going to be one's choice between heaven and hell.
 
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Dix

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I am speaking from experience. I have been a Christian for 27 years. Of that time I can only think of one person who said they were a Christian that really loved with the love of Christ. That is the man who led me to the Lord, and he is long gone to be with the Lord.

Sometimes I feel bad. I wonder have I ever done that? Have I ever loved someone with a sacrificial love? But then I know that I have.

This one man who became a pastor of a Bible preaching church of what is almost the Calvary Chapel demonination is who I will expose now. I went to his house and slept there one summer Friday. The next day I cultivated a garden, and the whole summer I helped the garden to grow. One day I raked his lawn. An hour or so after I started I went inside to find him napping with his kids. I joined the church in helping him move. This is the same guy who I asked to help me move a month later. I had no help, and he said he didn't want to help either. Another time we were going to meet at a coffee house and "fellowship." I waited for a half hour. I then called his house. I found out that he wanted to spend time alone with the Lord. But he didn't have the respect for me even to tell me. This is christianity in a nut shell to me. As far as my experience in this world, THE LOVE OF JESUS BEING THE MOVING FORCE IN CHRISTIANITY IS A 100% LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the Bible is true, and I know Jesus as my Savior. But His followers since I became a Christian 27 years ago are as far from His example as any followers of Him could be.

I do need the Spirit to help me become strong. I have had a few days of resisting temptation and praise God. But Christians could not care less.

I wrote a few days ago about being empty. That is the feeling i get from the church. Those of you who get such wonderful warm emotions from the church are blessed.

I do wish people would stop telling me how much they love me. Those are just words you know? You need to prove it. How easy is it to say I love you, say a brief prayer, and hit send?

I guess you may pray for me and that is loving, but it is not really a sacrificial love is it? No not really.

There is a book called the 5 love languages. For me to love me is to spend time with me. Outside of that your words are just words, easily said, but rarely done.

I am bitter at the lie of love that christianity is supposed to give. So, out of my bitterness, I lash out and tell you to prove it. 27 years of Christianity and I have never been loved with a sacrificial love. Jesus said that the world would know we are Christians by the way we love each other. If that is the measuring stick, the love of Jesus is dead to me in this world.

How do I close? God bless you? In bitterness my heart would not be in that. Go with God. Yea. That seems to apply.


Well sir


Truly love is a complicated issue becasue if we are to talk about it, then we must first understand what does the bible refers to when it talks of love.

briefly love is not giving anything, because giving can be an act of pretance or for whatever reasons is for, now according to God, love start from the heart and it is God who searches good hearts, in other words good hearts that are the one's capable of loving.

We are not all blessed in this area (with good hearts) but we are all advised to give, so my giving doesn't mean love and therefore it is only in your spirit that you can find-out that I truely love you without giving, so you cannot prove love
 
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nimbus3852

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Really, none of this matters. You will not agree with me, and I will not agree with you.
Regarding law. Go to a lawyer. Any lawyer. A five minute question is free, and they would be happy to clarify details of law for you.

Thinking in isolation is a heavy load to bear.
 
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Blackson

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Yet, before I want others to love me, I must first be willing to love. How have we loved before others can love us?
 
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God didn't give us the direction to be sure we are loved. God told us to love others.

God told us to recognize sin, and when we do to stay away from performing it, and know if someone is being sinful. At the same time that we know this, our instructions are to let Him take care of it, God is the parent we aren't to discipline our siblings, that is for the parent to do.

It is wrong and sinful for government to take over from God the right to decide on homosexuality, on abortion that is a type of killing, or making certain places in our land illegal for us to have Christianity. Hitler made churches sign over these rights to government, saying they would not interfere. That was wrong. It is wrong when government takes over from God's place in our world. But I don't see how it is wrong for government to say you do so much good in the world, we won't tax you.

You can't decide for others that they should act lovingly toward you, that is between them and God. You can only decide that you will keep on being loving toward others.
 
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nimbus3852

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Emotional Intelligence is distinct from cognitive ability.
 
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LoveAnna

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I am really sorry I said anything. Most of these posts are a bunch of humans giving their own interpretatons of verses or whatevever.

Really, it did nothing to help me. I have to come and defend myself. People tell me I am looking for them to love me like God loves... or whatever.
I was reading a book on evangelism and it stated that the place to really connect with someone (loose paraphrase) in our post modern world is to identify with them and share how you have experienced what they are going through. The majority of responses were people who were basically telling me how I am looking at it in the wrong way or bla bla bla. The responses only solidified the fact that love is dead in the joke that is called the body of Christ. The only person who really made me feel like she understood was Red Tent, who surprisingly is the oldest respondant at 88 years old. Thank you Red Tent. I really need to be done. This has been an exercise in futility. I know that the Church is lukewarm, as Jesus prophecied the end times church would be in Revelation 3:15. The love of God as displayed in the church is dead and there is absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.... Yes. I identify with that last remark as well.

Really nimbus, you are just too smart for me (sarcasm for sure). I will leave you (collectively you who respond to my message and the worldwide body of Christ) alone. Again, this thread has gotten me no where. Not your (collectively) fault... but you (collectively) did nothing to help.... You are right y'all. It is a waste of time to look to humans what only God is willing to provide. You won't love because you just don't have it in you. I will stop expecting love from Christians because only He is able. Christians cannot be expected to love because it is just impossible for them. Sorry people. I WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE.... YOU HEARTLESS WONDERS
 
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nimbus3852

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You get kicked out or you leave. That sounds like a fun way to live.
 
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The very same problem you have to LOVE is over all Chrisitans (and non Christians).

We talk about "love" and we feel endangared when we are asked to give all the money we put in the wallet... If we are stingy with the money we think "we own" how much more stingy people we are when we are forced to give "our life", our "honest affection" to those who badly needed it.

Love and friendship are not to be forced or begged.

Economically or emotionally (even physically) I don´t have what others might like or expect...

I don´t care!


I have scaresely enough to live a day, for me.
 
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LoveAnna

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Wow!!! Another person who can relate to my hard lonely painful life. Outside of my post high-school education, I have almost completely been a failure. Not having Christians in or outside the church makes it almost unbearable.

Nimbus has especially been very judgemental of me, labeling me depressed. You have no idea who I am or what my life is like. How dare you try to play my therapist and diagnose me?

Turning to the law of our exponentially wicked government as a defense for the church accepting a bribe not to disclose the wicked deeds of the government is a weak defense in the eyes of God. Red Tent, that is why the government doesn't tax the church, not because they do good things for the world. But back to the 501 c3 bribe, Ephesians 5:11 says "Have nothing to do with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them." Instead of exposing the wicked deeds of the unfruitful works of our dark government the church allows the government to tell them what they can and can't say, in order to be exempt from paying taxes... I will now expose many of the wicked deeds of our dark government... Since 1880 world leaders go to the Bohemian Grove, worship a stone owl, perform a ceremony called the cremation of care, which is a mock human sacrifice. Here at this grove they bring in the top homosexual porn stars to service the male leaders who attend (Bohemian Grove Exposed!)... next- America created the AIDS virus (AIDS: 'The Man Made Plague', allow me to post a short statement at the beginning of that page "The transcript that follows is taken from the June 9, 1969 Senate testimony of Dr. Donald MacArthur, a high-level Defense Department biological research administrator. For those who hold the theory that AIDS is the result of a U.S. biological weapons program--discussed in chapter 40 of 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time--this testimony is a smoking gun, or smoking petri dish as the case may be. We present it without further comment. Judge for yourself." Funding was approved in 1970 - $10 million to the DOD.") ... Next- The government (US and other governments) is spreading chemicals on the population of the world with planes (Chemtrails, an Introduction)... Next- There is a large stone henge (forgive any misspelling please) type monument in Georgia called the Georgia Guide Stones. It is a New World Order type of 10 commandments. The top "guide" is
1. MAINTAIN
HUMANITY UNDER 500,000,000 IN PERPETUAL BALANCE WITH NATURE
How do they get humanity under 500 million, when there are more than 7 billion? Here is the website I retreived that first of the Guides on the Georgia Guide Stones (The Message of the Georgia Guidestones). Click Enter at the bottom of that page for a wealth of information... The final point I will make (though these are not the only things our wicked government is and has been a part of (eg. Flouride and flouridating water, vaccinations/ swine flu virus, FEMA camps/coffins to name a few more)) is the awesome wicked lie of the Ameican government that we refer to as 9-11 (9/11 was a Hoax: The American government killed its own people)

You see, I am not of the church in America. I will not be bribed. The information I have just revealed to you the Church is not allowed to reveal, because they sign the 501 c3. That is the information our wicked christian churches in Ameica are conspiring with the government to hide from the people. I hope you get a chance to read that information and see the videos. Get ready people. Suffering is coming beyond your imagination as Jesus predicted in Matthew 24:11 " at that time there will be great suffering, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." The whole world will experience this suffering. Ready or not, here it comes.
 
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LoveAnna

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Sorry. That last verse was Matthew 24:21
 
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LoveAnna

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Nimbus, it is a fact there is no law in America that Americans have to pay income tax. The 16th amendment was not ratified by enough states to become a law. They are taking our money to ultimately enslave and kill us. I think you would support the American government overy the Bible. I am sure you support the bribery of the Church in America to hide the wickedness of America from the people. You, me, and the majority of the human race is about to suffer beyond your comprehension. If the Bible tells us to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, but there is a law that we can't, what should the "Christian" church in America follow, the Bible or the American law?
 
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nimbus3852

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It sounds like the general theme of your posts is that you do not like the church. Have you considered making non-Christian friends?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."
 
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Jesus_lover_of_my_soul

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#36
Amen that is true.
 
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nimbus3852

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Also, I might suggest quora.com which is more welcoming to what you have to offer.
 

SparkleEyes

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This is an insanely depressing thread. I am very sorry that I spent the few minutes here. :(
 
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LoveAnna

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I am having an ok day. You know,... It would be great if people would give themselves to me in some way. Like, ask me to come to a chat room and spend time with them. That is really what I need. "This is an insanely depressing thread. I am very sorry that I spent the few minutes here" Was there love in that phrase Sparkle? I doubt if you will even read this, because you were sorrn you even came here.

Many places in the New Testament it talks about lukewarmness. In Matthew 24:12 Jesus said "And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." There is cold love everywhere in this world. That is depressing isn't it people?

Please pray my fiancee makes it. I am trying to bring her here from Australia. Just pray for me out of sincere trust that I know what I am doing. I want to lead our family as the godly man God is making me. Christians are no different on doubting her sincerity, though not one person has ever spoken a word to her... Anyway, she needs to get money today to pay her rent. Pray for us please
 
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nimbus3852

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I recognize, and empathize with your situation.

May the Lord be with you, be gracious unto you, and grant you his peace and help as you need it during this phase of your life.