Perplexed

[Dan58]

Nod means wandering. There is NOTHING to suggest that it is a certain place. There is nothing in the text to demand that Cain's wife was unrelated.

Speculation is a poor foundation for doctrine.

"And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden" (Genesis 4:16). It sure sounds like a specific destination to me... "Nod, the land of Cain" (Strongs Concordance ref #5113).

There's nothing in the text to suggest that Cains wife was related either. However; "The nakedness of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister, thou shalt not uncover her nakedness" (Leviticus 18:11).

The assumption of incest is also a poor foundation for doctrine. No where does it say that Adams children married each other?

No problem, I generally agree with all your comments, but I reckon we'll need to agree to disagree on this particular topic.

 

[Tintin]

The assumption of incest is also a poor foundation for doctrine (and other humans than Adam and Eve and their children isn't - ha!). No where does it say that Adam's children married each other?

Problem with your belief is the Bible clearly teaches that all have sinned because they come from Adam, the First Adam and that all can be redeemed through Christ Jesus, the Last Adam. Stick to biblical exegesis, not biblical eisegesis.

 

[KennyD]

Thank you all for your feedback on my question. Your answers were very thorough and I learned a lot from each of you. I'm sure I will have many more questions in the near future . Once again, thank you and may God bless each of you abundantly!

 

[Dan58]

Problem with your belief is the Bible clearly teaches that all have sinned because they come from Adam, the First Adam and that all can be redeemed through Christ Jesus, the Last Adam. Stick to biblical exegesis, not biblical eisegesis.

You too.... No where does it say that Cain married his sister, making that assumption is biblical eisegesis. People are comfortable with the idea of Eve being the mother of all living, but the Bible never states anything of the kind, nor does the bible say that the entire human race came from Adam and Eve. Where do you suppose all the different races came from? Sometimes a deeper study involves looking beneath the surface and getting a better grasp of what the Hebrew actually says, thus my explanation of the differences between adam, ha-adam, and eth-ha-adam.. And consider "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13:8). Do you think incest was okay yesterday but not today?

 

[Tintin]

You too.... No where does it say that Cain married his sister, making that assumption is biblical eisegesis. People are comfortable with the idea of Eve being the mother of all living, but the Bible never states anything of the kind, nor does the bible say that the entire human race came from Adam and Eve. Where do you suppose all the different races came from? Sometimes a deeper study involves looking beneath the surface and getting a better grasp of what the Hebrew actually says, thus my explanation of the differences between adam, ha-adam, and eth-ha-adam.. And consider "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13:8). Do you think incest was okay yesterday but not today?

Dude, go back and read your Bible.

 

[MarcR]

Given their length of life, they also could have married cousins, which is still legal today.

To produce cousins they would need more generations because Adam and Eve had no sibs. Scripture speaks of God having formed only two people. Therefore their offspring could only marry their sibs; since having children with their mother would be worse.

The third generation would have sibs and first cousins to choose from.

Only the fourth generation and those who followed had non-incestuous choices.

 

[Dan58]

Dude, go back and read your Bible.

Thanks for that in-depth response. Its semi-amusing that you were unable to quote any scripture to prove me wrong or yourself right. Perhaps you should take your own advice and read your bible. "And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me" (Genesis4:13-14). Who do you suppose these people were that Cain feared would kill him after he left his family? And why does the Hebrew word in Genesis 1:26 mean "mankind" (plural for men and women)? I doubt you have an original answer, so no need to respond if its just more of the Kool Aid you've been drinking from your local pulpit.

 

[MarcR]

You too.... No where does it say that Cain married his sister, making that assumption is biblical eisegesis. People are comfortable with the idea of Eve being the mother of all living, but the Bible never states anything of the kind, nor does the bible say that the entire human race came from Adam and Eve. Where do you suppose all the different races came from? Sometimes a deeper study involves looking beneath the surface and getting a better grasp of what the Hebrew actually says, thus my explanation of the differences between adam, ha-adam, and eth-ha-adam.. And consider "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13:8). Do you think incest was okay yesterday but not today?

Ge 3:20
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
KJV

 

[Dan58]

Ge 3:20
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
KJV

Do you believe Genesis 3:20 is a physical reference or a spiritual one? "As by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men" (Romans 5:12). How could Eve literally be the mother of all living when all her offspring would die? "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22). Since the first Adam brought death, I believe Eve being called the mother of all living was a prophetic reference to Christ; "the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (1 Corinthians 15:45). Through the lineage of Eve came Mary, who bore the one by which all are made alive. Imo, we are not made alive in Eve, she is figuratively the mother of all living only because God promised a Savior would come through her bloodline.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Hello everybody, I have a question that was asked of me at work today and I told the person that I would get the answer for him. The question was if Cain, Abel, and Seth had kids then who was the mother of their children? Can somebody help me with this?

Cain, Abel, Seth, and other male brothers, took their sisters to wife. There was no law forbidding this at that time. incest relationships became sinful when the Law was given to the Israelites.

^i^ Responding to OP

 

[Tintin]

Seriously, Dan? You're creating hoops where there aren't any. Eve being the mother of all living has to do with her being the mother of all living! As in the mother of all living. As in the mother of every person who lived and ever will live. It's not that difficult. You're spiritualising things to the point where the physical doesn't even get a leg in. I think a plain reading (historical-grammatical) of the text works best. It allows for both spiritual and physical understandings, for figurative language, historical narratives and the other genres. Anything else just creates more strange speculations that don't honour God's beginning book.

 

[Dan58]

Seriously, Dan? You're creating hoops where there aren't any. Eve being the mother of all living has to do with her being the mother of all living! As in the mother of all living. As in the mother of every person who lived and ever will live. It's not that difficult. You're spiritualising things to the point where the physical doesn't even get a leg in. I think a plain reading (historical-grammatical) of the text works best. It allows for both spiritual and physical understandings, for figurative language, historical narratives and the other genres. Anything else just creates more strange speculations that don't honour God's beginning book.

Perhaps your right, but I don't like the idea of God promoting incest one minute and then changing his mind later on. If that's the case, it kind of shakes my faith, and technically, no where does it say that Cain or Seth married their sisters. I am also convinced that a proper translation of the Hebrew differentiates between man, mankind, and the man eth-ha-adam. But I reckon in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter whether God created other humans. The story centers around the first couple and their lineage, of which messiah would come.

I just prefer consistency from God, not a God who green-lighted incest at first and then prohibited it later on. Its confusion, and difficult to fathom how something could be right and then become wrong. Perhaps God flip-flopped on gay marriage too? In any event, when something doesn't make sense, I search the scriptures for an answer, and have found reasons to believe that God created other men and women in the beginning. But I'm fully aware that most Christians don't share my point of view or interpretation. Thanks for your interest.

 

[Sirk]

Perhaps your right, but I don't like the idea of God promoting incest one minute and then changing his mind later on. If that's the case, it kind of shakes my faith, and technically, no where does it say that Cain or Seth married their sisters. I am also convinced that a proper translation of the Hebrew differentiates between man, mankind, and the man eth-ha-adam. But I reckon in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter whether God created other humans. The story centers around the first couple and their lineage, of which messiah would come.

I just prefer consistency from God, not a God who green-lighted incest at first and then prohibited it later on. Its confusion, and difficult to fathom how something could be right and then become wrong. Perhaps God flip-flopped on gay marriage too? In any event, when something doesn't make sense, I search the scriptures for an answer, and have found reasons to believe that God created other men and women in the beginning. But I'm fully aware that most Christians don't share my point of view or interpretation. Thanks for your interest.

At any rate...this isn't a salvation issue and I think you raise some valid points. I always figure that God isn't afraid of my questions on things.
Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? Personally...I don't really care as I have my own fish to fry.

 

[atwhatcost]

To produce cousins they would need more generations because Adam and Eve had no sibs. Scripture speaks of God having formed only two people. Therefore their offspring could only marry their sibs; since having children with their mother would be worse.

The third generation would have sibs and first cousins to choose from.

Only the fourth generation and those who followed had non-incestuous choices.

Ah, true. (And this is why I need a calculator instead of using my head for math problems. lol) Nieces and nephews?

 

[atwhatcost]

At any rate...this isn't a salvation issue and I think you raise some valid points. I always figure that God isn't afraid of my questions on things.
Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? Personally...I don't really care as I have my own fish to fry.

Do fish have bellybuttons? (As many fish as I've cleaned in my life, you'd think I would have noticed. lol)

 

[atwhatcost]

Perhaps your right, but I don't like the idea of God promoting incest one minute and then changing his mind later on. If that's the case, it kind of shakes my faith, and technically, no where does it say that Cain or Seth married their sisters. I am also convinced that a proper translation of the Hebrew differentiates between man, mankind, and the man eth-ha-adam. But I reckon in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter whether God created other humans. The story centers around the first couple and their lineage, of which messiah would come.

I just prefer consistency from God, not a God who green-lighted incest at first and then prohibited it later on. Its confusion, and difficult to fathom how something could be right and then become wrong. Perhaps God flip-flopped on gay marriage too? In any event, when something doesn't make sense, I search the scriptures for an answer, and have found reasons to believe that God created other men and women in the beginning. But I'm fully aware that most Christians don't share my point of view or interpretation. Thanks for your interest.

Then how do you deal with the whole issue of we couldn't eat pig, but now we can?

Personally, I don't see it as God changing his mind. I see it as God changing the law because situations change.

 

[Tintin]

The human lineage from Adam isn't a salvation issue (and yet, it sort of is), but it easily can become one. It's a huge stumbling block for those who want to believe the Bible. Best to stick with what the Bible actually says, rather than what it doesn't.

 

[Dan58]

Then how do you deal with the whole issue of we couldn't eat pig, but now we can?

Personally, I don't see it as God changing his mind. I see it as God changing the law because situations change.

I personally don't believe God changed his mind, the food laws are still in effect. The blood ordinances and statutes governing the Levitical priesthood no longer exist because they were fulfilled in Christ, but other than that, Jesus did not change one jot or tittle of the law. I don't recall God changing any laws because situations changed?

 

[Bonface]

This question is answered in many ways, but the best way I came to hear is this. That during those days, the history was written based on men who were the heads. Therefore the women were not mentioned, but ladies were probably born and were only mentioned at times when they had special encounter with God and or men of God. I believe this.

 

[atwhatcost]

I personally don't believe God changed his mind, the food laws are still in effect. The blood ordinances and statutes governing the Levitical priesthood no longer exist because they were fulfilled in Christ, but other than that, Jesus did not change one jot or tittle of the law. I don't recall God changing any laws because situations changed?

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