Possitive thinking

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May 7, 2007
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Hello to all,
i have a question. I have a daughter with low selfesteem, many negative thoughts, en many moodswings. Its very difficult for her, but also for the rest of the family. We prayed a lot, but untill now nothing changed.
my question is, there are books, which teach people to be possitive, or there is hypnostic.
some say thats new-age, and thats not what we want. But we really need her to be more possitive.
please let me know what you think
 

Toska

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Do you mind me asking how old your daughter is? Has this behavior just recently started? Or has it been going on for a while?
 
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Hello to all,
i have a question. I have a daughter with low selfesteem, many negative thoughts, en many moodswings. Its very difficult for her, but also for the rest of the family. We prayed a lot, but untill now nothing changed.
my question is, there are books, which teach people to be possitive, or there is hypnostic.
some say thats new-age, and thats not what we want. But we really need her to be more possitive.
please let me know what you think
You need to not treat the symptom, but the cause. Depending on the reasons for, and the depth of, her low self esteem, positive thinking may or may not have much affect.
And, from what i hear, hypnotism, from a Christian perspective, is not fully understood, and therefore leans to being something to avoid.
Abuse, verbal or physical, can cause these problems. Mental illness. Or just a naturally depressive personality type. Perhaps shes simply been unwittingly raised to have this mentality. Sometimes children are amplifiers to the parents behavior or attitude. Not always, but there are times when a parent teaches their children to act in certain ways, because they themselves are that way, yet don't see it. I think this is the case with my own father. I have come to notice some of my problems are things that i believe i have learned how to be because that's how he is. He doesn't know he has done this. But it's there.
So really you need to figure out the source first, otherwise you may be putting a cast on a cut, or a band aid on a broken bone.
 
May 7, 2007
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Hi toska,
about her 16th she began to be uncertain. She is a lovely girl, and she knows she has a wonderfull life.
she had some relationships that hurt her bad, but thats a while ago.
she is a child of God and loves him dearly, but that did not make her stronger.
now i am thinking of professional help for her
 
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Ugly

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Hi toska,
about her 16th she began to be uncertain. She is a lovely girl, and she knows she has a wonderfull life.
she had some relationships that hurt her bad, but thats a while ago.
she is a child of God and loves him dearly, but that did not make her stronger.
now i am thinking of professional help for her
This could possibly just been teen age hormones. Many teens go through a depressive time around this age. Hormones running wild, they become more aware of the world around them, the people around them. They realize the world is not such a nice place as they thought. And if it is hormonal, then encouragement may help make things easier, but it won't make it go away.
Well, i'm assuming that she is still in a high school age as you gave her age when it started, but not how old she is or how long its been going on. If you do seek professional help i would be leery of going straight to medications. Cognitive therapy may prove beneficial. As well as outside support and encouragement (her family). Medications should be a last resort, and really only if it becomes a bigger problem. Also you can look into natural mood boosters. Sometimes just a little boost from a natural source is all a person needs to get over the hurdle.
 

Toska

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Hi toska,
about her 16th she began to be uncertain. She is a lovely girl, and she knows she has a wonderfull life.
she had some relationships that hurt her bad, but thats a while ago.
she is a child of God and loves him dearly, but that did not make her stronger.
now i am thinking of professional help for her
First, let me say that I am not a professional. I am a high school teacher and I see many girls go through this type of behavior. Everything I am saying is from my own experience and observation only.

It is not uncommon for girls that age to start acting different. She is probably going through a lot emotionally with her becoming a woman. I remember being very insecure during that time in my life. Do you know if she is having any problems with other kids at school? Will she talk to you about things like this?

I agree with Ugly about hypnosis, I would to suggest that. But, you do need to find the root of the problem. If she will not talk to you, maybe she will talk to a therapist. I know they can be expensive but, from personal experience, the right therapist can make a world of difference. I was in therapy for a few months last year for some issues I was having with depression and obsessing over things I could not control. Talking to a stranger about it made a world of difference for me.

Please let me know what you decide to do. I have already said a prayer for you, your daughter, and your family.

God Bless
 

Toska

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And I once again agree with Ugly. No meds if possible. The therapist I saw could not even write prescriptions. That was one of many things I loved about her, she did not resort to meds to treat me.
 
May 7, 2007
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She is 27, so its going on for a while.
 

Toska

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Hmmm, that is quite a while for that behavior to be going on. I think I would try a therapist if you are able to. Find a good Christian one if you can. Like I said, mine worked wonders in my life. She helped me see myself the way others see me and I did not like what I saw. She did not judge me but helped me to make small changes that had huge positive outcomes.

Just talking to someone that did not know anything about me to start with was very comforting to me. I knew she had not preconceived notions about me.

I pray that you will find what works best for your daughter. May God be with you as you go through this troubling time.
 

Angela53510

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I am concerned this may be bona fide mental illness if it has been going on for this long. I think many teenage girls go through this, but 27 is well out of the range of fluctuations due to hormonal changes. Please seek professional help. The longer you leave it, the worse that it will become.

Mental illness can be a sign of the brain not working properly. If you use meds in the initial stages, you may be able to correct the problem and get off of them later. Don't rule out the med route. And if you do opt for hypnotherapy, be sure someone is always there from your family, so they don't implant suggestions that are against God or Christ. It has been known to happen.

Praying for your daughter!
 
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nimbus3852

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Zoloft is a good medication and quite well known.

If her psychiatrist cannot prescribe, that means that the psychiatrist is not a psychiatrist (a form of medical doctor) but rather a therapist.

This problem has taken years of your daughter's life. That is concerning.
 
Oct 31, 2011
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I think often, with mental illness we have to ask ourselves, what comes first the chicken or the egg! Constant negative thoughts can change how our minds are and how our body works. Then medication can help it work correctly, but allowing negative in can start the cycle up again.

Scripture seems to point to many ways to control negativity, and it would be impossible to follow scripture and follow negative thoughts. We put on Christ and renew our minds. If we have Christ within us, and if we praise Him, if we are the temple, how could we be sad?

It makes it very difficult when our body does not produce what gives us the feeling of well being. I am so sorry that has happened to your daughter.

Not long ago a therapist put the probe of a little machine on a spastic muscle I had in my back. The machine started clicking loudly. The therapist told me that if I would imagine surrounding that muscle with well being it would relax and the clicking would stop. Took me 15 minutes. The muscle has never been spastic since.

A year later I got eczema so severe it was almost impossible to sleep. For no apparent reason patches of my skin would turn bright red with pain and itching combined, then break out in sores. I decided to pretend I had one of the machines the therapist had, using my finger as a probe, and send the same feeling of well being to that red patch. The red patch went away without developing sores, and my eczema is in control.

I think scripture is correct, we do have a lot more control of our minds than most people and most doctors ever dream of. By combining the knowledge doctors have been given and the knowledge of scripture and the Lord, mental illness wouldn't have a chance.
 
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Try different things to see what helps. Please include a licensed psychiatrist in your decision making process.
 
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I think often, with mental illness we have to ask ourselves, what comes first the chicken or the egg!
The egg.

I think scripture is correct, we do have a lot more control of our minds than most people and most doctors ever dream of. By combining the knowledge doctors have been given and the knowledge of scripture and the Lord, mental illness wouldn't have a chance.
For me, I am truly disabled by mental illness. Years and years of "have faith" encouragements got me nothing.
 
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The egg.

For me, I am truly disabled by mental illness. Years and years of "have faith" encouragements got me nothing.
I am so very sorry. My post must have been discouraging more than uplifting.

There is a movie called "A Beautiful Mind" about a man who pulled himself from mental illness using this method. Maybe it would help?

After the birth of my second child, I found myself too miserable to cope. I got the idea of becoming aware of my thoughts, and being I couldn't seem to control the "ain't it just AWFUL" ones, I decided to crowd them out with scripture thoughts, I spent every minute memorizing scripture.

Then, the doctor put me on medication that helped so very much, so I decided to use the same thought process the medication helped me have, even when I wasn't using the pills.

I will be praying for you.
 
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Pray! Pray! Pray! Pray with her, pray without her, start a prayer chain, the whole bit. Read scriptures that deal with the opposite of her thinking, let God replace the negative with positive. It will take time and it will only get harder before it gets better, but don't give up because it won't fail. And will have a lasting result in her life! Trust me I know too well... Oh, don't forget the armor of God, pray strong on the helmet of salvation, because her thoughts are being attacked.
 

kingerik

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Hello to all,
i have a question. I have a daughter with low selfesteem, many negative thoughts, en many moodswings. Its very difficult for her, but also for the rest of the family. We prayed a lot, but untill now nothing changed.
my question is, there are books, which teach people to be possitive, or there is hypnostic.
some say thats new-age, and thats not what we want. But we really need her to be more possitive.
please let me know what you think
May I ask has she always been like this? Are just recently? Has she been in any relationship with Guys?
 
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Thanks all of you. You been a great help and i am very thankful for your prayers.
we will pray for God to give us the right way to take

again thanks
 
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Hi toska,
about her 16th she began to be uncertain. She is a lovely girl, and she knows she has a wonderfull life.
she had some relationships that hurt her bad, but thats a while ago.
she is a child of God and loves him dearly, but that did not make her stronger.
now i am thinking of professional help for her
did the guy rape her?

I've talked to a lot of girls who had a lot of issues because they were "date raped" in high school. It took them a while to recognize that it wasn't their fault. they didn't "ask for it". it caused them to have a lot of self esteem issues and intense depression.

I'm not sure if that is what happened with your daughter but its the first thing that comes to mind when reading your description of the situation.
 

acesneverwin

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Hey, I kind of went/go through the same thing. I'm 30 and it started when I was about 13-14ish... I've read all the books, went to 3 different therapists, tried zoloft... oh and yes, I stopped asking for advice on this subject on Christian forums because it's an area most people do not properly understand and the general consensus is "pray! Read the bible! Repent of un-repented sins!" etc etc etc. Well when someone comes down with cancer, no one shouts out those things assuming the person is not doing one/all and that's why they have cancer. (Got so sick of these answers so it's still a sore point as I think these sort of uniformed answers tend to do more harm than good but anyway... =) )

First off... the only way she's ever gonna have a prayer of changing is if she REALLY wants to change. I mean, I don't know her situation and I'm sure her experience is much different than mine. But I think in most cases, the cause is extremely complex and deep rooted. I've found there is no magic cure as it's kind of ingrained into their personality and it's just shaped who they are. But, if you really want to, anything is possible and that means re-programing your thinking and personality. It's not gonna happen overnight and she's gonna have to be the one who really wants to change or she never will.

I'm not gonna bore ya with all the details about myself and my journey... it's been a long one. And it's taken a lot of work on my part to keep going and REALLY work at trying to be positive and setting goals and trying stuff. Every successful step seemed to just be a dead end and the pendulum always swings back the other way and it feels like ya gotta start all over again.

You know what's helped me the most, more than anything? Finding a real positive person, who's really confident, assured, playful, and respectful... and opening up a little. There was a dude at work... I always thought he was an awesome guy and when he talked to people, he treats ya like you've known each other for years. I had a hard time making friends because of my negativity and moods and just feeling down but he always made me feel good when he'd come up and talk and I always wished I had a friend like him because he seemed like someone you could talk about stuff too and he wouldn't judge ya. Well, one day, he came back in my area kind of messin around and I just asked him... and it was probably the hardest thing I've ever pushed myself to do but I was almost 30 and I didn't wanna live another 10 years like I lived the last 10... and I just basically said (though in many more words as it took forever to get out), "hey I'm struggling, ya know depression, anxiety, hard time talkin to people etc. I wanna be positive and confident like you. I wanna change. Could ya help me out? Maybe just talk sometime... not to unload my problems but... just sometimes it's hard" Anyway it was really like a 10 minute exchange but that was the gist of it. He was really positive about it though and was like yeah, he'd do anything he could. So then we started going out to lunch every once in a while. It was really hard and awkward at first and I kind of explained some things and he was really cool about it. Anyway, long story short, yeah we just kept doing that for months and just being around him, just like made my day so much better. Like just getting a text and asked "Do you want to grab lunch?" made my day. And he'd talk about stuff he was doing like we had been friends forever. And he never acted like he felt awkward or anything and over all it was just a positive experience cause it would boost my mood up, I'd get stuff done I needed to get done cause I felt better. Feel more confident cause I'm not berating myself in my head all the time. But yeah... and then out of this an actual friendship grows... he's helpin me with my jeep, I painted him a bike helmet... Even took a 2 hour drive together to pick some stuff up and I don't think I ever felt happier. It's been good. I still have a long ways to go... But I'm REALLY hopeful now =) More so than I've ever been in my life.

I did/do pray a lot as well but I can tell ya, I thought for sure God was plugging his ears. I used to write down letters to God in a little notebook years and years ago but nearly all of what I had wrote down and asked/longed for have been answered over the years. Stuff I couldn't do or didn't because I was either too nervous, to sad, to anxious, felt stupid etc etc. But I think finally opening up to this dude was my biggest success yet and also has been the most hopeful and positive experience and has really helped changed my thinking to some degree. Tryin really hard to engage in other positive activities and meet other really positive, self assured people and it kind of rubs off and ya feel more confident and positive.

I think that's the best thing though. Having a couple people who really know what's up that are positive and treat ya normal... people ya can talk to when you're really struggling... and then being a friend back and to others in general. Helping others... trying to be a positive person in someone else's life cause you've been there and knows what it means just to have someone smile at ya. That helps ya feel good too... Not expecting anything back though... Probably won't know you had any effect on em but you do.

So yeah, I pray God will bring a positive influential person into her life. Hopefully she really wants to change too. Sometimes God's been answering a prayer, ya just haven't reached out and grabbed it. If you're hungry in the forest, God will send ya the geese, but you still have to catch it. Sometimes it takes a few tries and a lot of energy before you actually do but don't give up =)