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Those two things are exactly the same. They are both using your logic... hey lets break Gods word so we can get something "beneficial". A thief breaks God's word by committing theft, he could use that money for charity and give it to the poor... nevertheless the theft is evil. Same with homosexuality... lets let gay people commit homosexual acts that are clearly against Gods word... so kids can watch men with men and women with women... that is a messed up thing to do to children. But you consider that "beneficial". So yeah it does harm society, it clearly harms children to see corruption, sin everyday, growing up... that is just wrong, to do that to kids. Just talking about it opens my eyes even more. Point is as a Christian I side by God's word and it's crystal clear, thanks to God's word and just seeing how someone thinks about this who is not standing by God's word.
Homosexuality, as it is about homosexual acts, does harm society. All I have left to say to you on that is... your either not a Christian/Not saved (cause a Christian would consider God's word a lot more in my opinion)... and/or very well deceived by the devil... either way I KNOW your very well deceived as it clearly is written that homosexual acts are an abomination and your not standing by God's word. I recommend you strongly look at God's word and examine yourself with it.
Now about your point, which I think doesn't exist... people can choose that's why. It's really that simple. People can choose. With choice.. people can choose to choose someone that has no profit, it happens all the time, everyday, for good things (which can only be done God lead) or evil things.
Example... A man that is extremely angry and out for revenge, being surrounded by authority figures... knowing he can get capital punishment.. see's the man/woman he wants revenge from... pulls a pistol out and shoots. There you go... a man choose to do evil with no profit, except the profit OF evil.
Likewise, easily homosexuals choose to do evil with no profit, except the profit OF evil. Enjoying same sex, sex, an abomination... that's why.
Also please note the twin studies and the fact that people have turned straight... it's crystal clear that it's choice.
Really, everything I'm saying isn't of any use... It's God's word that is, that is what yu have to have faith in. I think that's all I really can say, I'll say a prayer for you. See ya around
Homosexuality, as it is about homosexual acts, does harm society. All I have left to say to you on that is... your either not a Christian/Not saved (cause a Christian would consider God's word a lot more in my opinion)... and/or very well deceived by the devil... either way I KNOW your very well deceived as it clearly is written that homosexual acts are an abomination and your not standing by God's word. I recommend you strongly look at God's word and examine yourself with it.
Now about your point, which I think doesn't exist... people can choose that's why. It's really that simple. People can choose. With choice.. people can choose to choose someone that has no profit, it happens all the time, everyday, for good things (which can only be done God lead) or evil things.
Example... A man that is extremely angry and out for revenge, being surrounded by authority figures... knowing he can get capital punishment.. see's the man/woman he wants revenge from... pulls a pistol out and shoots. There you go... a man choose to do evil with no profit, except the profit OF evil.
Likewise, easily homosexuals choose to do evil with no profit, except the profit OF evil. Enjoying same sex, sex, an abomination... that's why.
Also please note the twin studies and the fact that people have turned straight... it's crystal clear that it's choice.
Really, everything I'm saying isn't of any use... It's God's word that is, that is what yu have to have faith in. I think that's all I really can say, I'll say a prayer for you. See ya around
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In order for these twin studies to prove homosexuality isn't genetic... they literally just need 1... I repeat 1 set of identical twins that show one is. (but they have many more).. homosexual and the other isn't. That's it, nothing left to investigate any further after that. So that made up point of... 50% of the time and 22% depending on identification or fraternal is completely pointless.
In order to make any point on it being genetic... all identical twins would have to have to results as either being both gay or not gay... since the point is to say it's genetic.. will it would be CLEARLY easily seen if all twins results in that... both gay or not gay but it isn't so it's check mate.
And sure "highly motivated" homosexuals can choose to pretend to be straight. That can easily be explained by choice and emotions. But I don't see why that even matters when homosexuality is clearly choice by twin studies.
Stick God's word, what are you doing? Please take God's word and consider God's word... these psychologists are just barely catching up with God's truth, God's word. Trust God.... look I'll pray for ya, I think I've said all I could say... be open to God ok, see ya around.
In order to make any point on it being genetic... all identical twins would have to have to results as either being both gay or not gay... since the point is to say it's genetic.. will it would be CLEARLY easily seen if all twins results in that... both gay or not gay but it isn't so it's check mate.
And sure "highly motivated" homosexuals can choose to pretend to be straight. That can easily be explained by choice and emotions. But I don't see why that even matters when homosexuality is clearly choice by twin studies.
Stick God's word, what are you doing? Please take God's word and consider God's word... these psychologists are just barely catching up with God's truth, God's word. Trust God.... look I'll pray for ya, I think I've said all I could say... be open to God ok, see ya around.
They're both abominations in the Old Testament. A sin is a sin. There's no big sin or little sin. That means that eating pork is akin to homosexuality and murder. Unless you want to ignore the laws in the Old Testament. So, if the sin of eating pork is accepted and legal, homosexuality should be accepted and legal as well.
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This conversation gets more and more silly and the devil laughs his pants off because this is just straight stupid.
We call ourselves christians but does it really show? Do you really think that you discussing if shellfish or bacon is sin does any good to any other people that look up to us? Don't you all see that we have a responsability towards other people that are still lost?
The thing with homosexuality isn't just in the Old Testament, it's also in the New Testament and there is no, no NO doubt that God likes a lifestyle of homosexuality. HE DOESN'T. He hates it how the devil takes something that He created wonderfully and twists it completley.
Stop discussing shellfish and bacon and get on your knees and pray for you to see the truth.
AGAIN, this is not about you and your opinion. It's about respecting God's Word and obedience.
We call ourselves christians but does it really show? Do you really think that you discussing if shellfish or bacon is sin does any good to any other people that look up to us? Don't you all see that we have a responsability towards other people that are still lost?
The thing with homosexuality isn't just in the Old Testament, it's also in the New Testament and there is no, no NO doubt that God likes a lifestyle of homosexuality. HE DOESN'T. He hates it how the devil takes something that He created wonderfully and twists it completley.
Stop discussing shellfish and bacon and get on your knees and pray for you to see the truth.
AGAIN, this is not about you and your opinion. It's about respecting God's Word and obedience.
There is no homosexual lifestyle. Gay people don't do anything that heterosexual people don't do. They go to school, they go to work, they have families, they raise children, they pay taxes, they enjoy football, they cook turkey on Thanksgiving, and they even go to church.
Romans 1:26-27 is primarily about idolatry and there's no consensus on what arsenokoites means in Corinthians 1 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10.
Oh. And before anyone chimes in and says arsenokoites means homosexuality, remember this: Patriarch John IV of Constantinople says that men committed arsenokoitai with their wives. Obviously, a man can't commit homosexuality with his wife.
Romans 1:26-27 is primarily about idolatry and there's no consensus on what arsenokoites means in Corinthians 1 6:9-10 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10.
Oh. And before anyone chimes in and says arsenokoites means homosexuality, remember this: Patriarch John IV of Constantinople says that men committed arsenokoitai with their wives. Obviously, a man can't commit homosexuality with his wife.
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Tsalagi, you are very young. I am not saying this to offend you, but since I was 16 I changed my mind on things so many times..... and by the homosexual lifestyle, I mean actually the fact that a man is in a "love reltionship" with another man (is the same with women).
God DOES NOT approve of this. You can't deny it or act as if it's not in the Bible cause it is. In several places and even from the very first moment, God shows us, how marriage, a relationship after His heart works. A man and a woman. Never a man with a man or a woman with a woman.
Even spiritually and emotionally you can see how men and women complement each other perfectly. I can see this with my fiance. When I am all emotional and crying and a mess, he is the rational one and the calm one and tells me exactly: Ok, this is what we're gonna do. Even phisically men and women are made for each other. You gotta take a look at all those things and see how great our Lord is, cause He considered all those things in order to be able to give us another source of happiness and pleasure in our lives.
And of course we can't just take homosexuals and tell them they sin and they are bad. We gotta look at all the other stuff too, like sex before marriage, divorce, addictions and bad habits. I sin too, and I have my flaws but if someone asks me if I support homosexual marriages, I will definitly say NO, NO and again NO, just as I don't support premarital sex, divorce, lying, murder and all the other stuff on the list.
Do I lie sometimes? Yes! Do I know it's wrong? Sure. Will I keep trying to obey God with all my heart and trust on His grace? Definitliy!
God is good. Just try and look for the truth.
God DOES NOT approve of this. You can't deny it or act as if it's not in the Bible cause it is. In several places and even from the very first moment, God shows us, how marriage, a relationship after His heart works. A man and a woman. Never a man with a man or a woman with a woman.
Even spiritually and emotionally you can see how men and women complement each other perfectly. I can see this with my fiance. When I am all emotional and crying and a mess, he is the rational one and the calm one and tells me exactly: Ok, this is what we're gonna do. Even phisically men and women are made for each other. You gotta take a look at all those things and see how great our Lord is, cause He considered all those things in order to be able to give us another source of happiness and pleasure in our lives.
And of course we can't just take homosexuals and tell them they sin and they are bad. We gotta look at all the other stuff too, like sex before marriage, divorce, addictions and bad habits. I sin too, and I have my flaws but if someone asks me if I support homosexual marriages, I will definitly say NO, NO and again NO, just as I don't support premarital sex, divorce, lying, murder and all the other stuff on the list.
Do I lie sometimes? Yes! Do I know it's wrong? Sure. Will I keep trying to obey God with all my heart and trust on His grace? Definitliy!
God is good. Just try and look for the truth.
You seem to be under the impression that all men are stoic and hard while women are all emotional and irrational. You also seem to think that everyone in the world's relationship is like you and your fiance's. Like there is no variation to love or relationships other than what you personally have experienced.
Some men are in love with men. Some women are in love with women. Their love does not affect you in any way, shape, or form. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.
I don't believe the Bible condemns homosexuality. You also seem to confuse homosexuality with homosexual sexual acts. Homosexuality is not an action.
Some men are in love with men. Some women are in love with women. Their love does not affect you in any way, shape, or form. Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.
I don't believe the Bible condemns homosexuality. You also seem to confuse homosexuality with homosexual sexual acts. Homosexuality is not an action.
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I don't confuse anything. I was talking about being in a homosexual relationship and of course taking homosexual actions. This is an action.
And I don't believe that all relationships are as mine. But me and my fiance, we are trying to get as close as we can get, to the way God intended a relationship to be and this is clearly stated in the Bible.
And again...what you think you know or your opinion doesn't matter, as long as it's not in accordance to the Word of God.
And I don't believe that all relationships are as mine. But me and my fiance, we are trying to get as close as we can get, to the way God intended a relationship to be and this is clearly stated in the Bible.
And again...what you think you know or your opinion doesn't matter, as long as it's not in accordance to the Word of God.
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You are either blind or in denial. The Bible absolutely condemns homosexuality.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Romans 1:20 - 32
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
That doesn't sound like homosexuality to me.
20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
That doesn't sound like homosexuality to me.
God doesn't like lying but you still continue to lie. Why would your sin be any different? Gay people aren't protesting your lying. Why do you protest their "sin" when they don't protest yours? If Jesus can forgive your lying, Jesus can forgive homosexuality (if it were a sin).
Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality.
Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality.