Should Christians Take Medication for Mental Illness?

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I'm not so sure that's the reason her sister didn't take them.
I could be wrong but I think it was more along the lines of she wouldn't eat.. people with anorexia don't eat anything. Sometimes it's so bad the won't even drink that much water for fear they will gain weight. And in a lot of cases like this they won't take medicine because they fear even the medicine will make the gain weight.
My cousin is this way. She has medicine she has to take for her heart but now that she has anorexia she is afraid to take them all because she "doesn't wanna be fat" she knows she needs them but the fear from the anorexia just won't let her.

PS..I'm very sorry about your sister.. no one should have to go through that.
My heart goes out to you and anyone else who has been through this.
Presley:

Princess Diana had a form of anorexia.

A government minister in Great Britain said onetime that she was suffering from paranoia. Whereupon the Prime Minister of the day kind of slapped the minister down, because he knew Diana was more popular than the government. There are often all sorts of wheels within wheels in terms of perception and publicity.

Blessings.
 

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I'm not so sure that's the reason her sister didn't take them.
I could be wrong but I think it was more along the lines of she wouldn't eat.. people with anorexia don't eat anything. Sometimes it's so bad the won't even drink that much water for fear they will gain weight. And in a lot of cases like this they won't take medicine because they fear even the medicine will make the gain weight.
My cousin is this way. She has medicine she has to take for her heart but now that she has anorexia she is afraid to take them all because she "doesn't wanna be fat" she knows she needs them but the fear from the anorexia just won't let her.

PS..I'm very sorry about your sister.. no one should have to go through that.
My heart goes out to you and anyone else who has been through this.
Not all anorexics worry about their weight. My sister never thought she was fat. She just wouldn't eat. Even when the doctors told her she would die she refused to believe it. When she was 16 a doctor told her she would be dead by 33 if she didn't change(and this was before colitis). She died at the age of 33.
She was a rather odd case. Most do worry about weight but she didn't. Maybe that's why she didn't get help. We couldn't find the source of the problem.
 

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Not all anorexics worry about their weight. My sister never thought she was fat. She just wouldn't eat. Even when the doctors told her she would die she refused to believe it. When she was 16 a doctor told her she would be dead by 33 if she didn't change(and this was before colitis). She died at the age of 33.
She was a rather odd case. Most do worry about weight but she didn't. Maybe that's why she didn't get help. We couldn't find the source of the problem.
I know not all worry about weight. I just meant that's why some won't take pills. (Like my cousin)
But I do understand your point. And I wasn't trying to say your sister was worried about her weight. (Sorry if it may have seemed like that) you did say she didn't eat and you thought that could be why she didn't take pills... or did I just read your post wrong?
But now I'm confused. Did your sister not take pills
Because she didn't eat? Or because she was worried about side effects? (Like the other person said at the end of their comment)
 
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Presley:

Princess Diana had a form of anorexia.

A government minister in Great Britain said onetime that she was suffering from paranoia. Whereupon the Prime Minister of the day kind of slapped the minister down, because he knew Diana was more popular than the government. There are often all sorts of wheels within wheels in terms of perception and publicity.

Blessings.
PS: I'm not say that the paranoia suggestion was accurate, BTW.

Blessings.
 

Pres19

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PS: I'm not say that the paranoia suggestion was accurate, BTW.

Blessings.
I understand. But my cousin is very paranoid because of the anorexia.
So I believe it is part of the illness. But not all have it.
 

Elizabeth619

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I know not all worry about weight. I just meant that's why some won't take pills. (Like my cousin)
But I do understand your point. And I wasn't trying to say your sister was worried about her weight. (Sorry if it may have seemed like that) you did say she didn't eat and you thought that could be why she didn't take pills... or did I just read your post wrong?
But now I'm confused. Did your sister not take pills
Because she didn't eat? Or because she was worried about side effects? (Like the other person said at the end of their comment)
I don't know why she didn't take her meds. I just figured if she didn't want to put food in her mouth why would she want to take meds. The whole situation is odd. She knew she would die. She knew her body was failing. She didn't seem to care.
 

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I don't know why she didn't take her meds. I just figured if she didn't want to put food in her mouth why would she want to take meds. The whole situation is odd. She knew she would die. She knew her body was failing. She didn't seem to care.
But I think from what I have read, as Anorexia progresses, this not taking anything by mouth becomes part of the disease. But still tragic they could not find out how to somehow break the cycle, and ease her back into eating and meds.
 
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Personally I think any pharmaceuticals should be used sparingly, if at all. Our bodies and brains are extremely complex. There has been so many poisons passed by the fda you really can't trust anything. I think it would be a good experiment to see just how many illnesses would be remedied by proper diet, and exercise. We are all energy. Our brains respond to electro magnetic frequencies all around us. What we consume directly effects our own personal frequencies and has been directly related to illness and disease. Perhaps we should be leary of a profession that uses serpents as it's symbol.
 
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I understand. But my cousin is very paranoid because of the anorexia.
So I believe it is part of the illness. But not all have it.
Presley: Oh, well; maybe you'll be able to be of some encouragement to her from time to time.

Blessings.
 
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Personally I think any pharmaceuticals should be used sparingly, if at all. Our bodies and brains are extremely complex. There has been so many poisons passed by the fda you really can't trust anything. I think it would be a good experiment to see just how many illnesses would be remedied by proper diet, and exercise. We are all energy. Our brains respond to electro magnetic frequencies all around us. What we consume directly effects our own personal frequencies and has been directly related to illness and disease. Perhaps we should be leary of a profession that uses serpents as it's symbol.
Actually it was originally a reference to John 3 and the Old Testament account of Moses lifting up the serpent in the wilderness.

Blessings.
 

Pres19

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Presley: Oh, well; maybe you'll be able to be of some encouragement to her from time to time.

Blessings.
Oh I try to be. She doesn't listen. But I won't give up.
I love her and I want her to be healthy.
 
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It is dangerous for me not to be on my meds.
 
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We are having to deal with mental illness, and none of us are understanding at all! Nothing I thought I knew before seems to apply to this person.

I thought I knew that it was a good idea to listen to the sort of running tape of thoughts that everyone has, to check it out and if they are doing things against scripture to sort of inject a correction. You know---the poor me, or look how terrible those people are, or there is nothing beautiful in my life the birds stopped singing sort of thoughts. I can't seem to be able to understand that these thoughts can't be handled..

I got into a real funk once, I was sure I was in a very bad situation and nothing could be done about it but endure it. A doctor gave me some pills for it. Those pills sort of opened the cloud I couldn't seem to get away from, I could think of things I could do to help the situation that I hadn't thought of before. It showed a new way of thinking, learning to think that way was sort of like learning to ride a bike. I went off the pills, but I still knew how to think like the pills helped me do.

Same thing happened when I had to have pills because of a simple operation. I went into the operating room very concerned about my son finding his way to the clinic, and whether the person who brought me was OK, and fuss, fuss, fuss. They gave me pills, and the pills let me think that being there was nothing I could do about what I was fussing about I had just as well not fuss. The idea lasted, and here it is years later and I still know there are times to just save yourself from fussing.

But with this mental illness we are needing to live with, there seems to be no help. The pills keeps her from suicide, but any idea we give her to solve her many problems and calm her is waved off with "but I am mentally ill".

Scripture seems to point to that we can control ourselves. Scripture tells us how to direct our minds. Science tells us there is a mind body connection and if nothing else use hypnotism some say.

I am bewildered!!!!
 
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I think medication is useful in some instances but I do wonder about doctor's reluctance to look at a patient's diet and lifestyle. Most doctors are not trained in nutrition! Food affects our physical AND mental health. Lack of sleep is very detrimental to the mind. Stress is very hard on the body. Why don't we see more useful information about PREVENTING the cause of these problems instead of just how to treat the SYMPTOMS?

It doesn't take much research to see how contaminated our food supply really is. A real eye-opener for me was "Wheat Belly" by Dr. Davis. Modern wheat is very different from what our grandparents ate and it affects all parts of our bodies (the brain too). I've been wheat-free for over a month now and I feel so much better! I sleep better at night and I don't have the carb cravings that would lead me to overeat. Plus, my mental attitude is even better. Strange but true. There's another book called "Grain Brain" which I haven't read yet.
excellent reply and this is so sad but very true that miss diagnoses on mental health issues are so badly miss diagnosed. not only this but the government in the UK are treating these patients unfairly. I will explain this i have a friend who works for the council his job is to relocate people who can not afford the new bedroom tax, the new bedroom tax laws means if you have unoccupied rooms the owner is charged an extra £12.50 a room a week in tax so for 2 rooms it is 25.00 a week over 1 month that equates to 100.00, and if your on benefits from the government there is no way you can afford it. so it is my friends job to determine whether or not that person on benefits is eligible for food stamps (benefits).
the person is given 25.00 food vouchers to claim food from charities which is not funded by the government but people donating food every week to local charities. These people are claiming it every week.
The people in charge of this country (conservative) actually 18 of its 24 Cabinet member are in the billionaires club. they have also sold of 40 percent of the nhs hospital service to the private sector also, which people are unaware of and slowly they will sell the lot of and justify it over time if labour do not get back in and it will happen. The nhs service was labours diamond after the second world war they introduced it. Labour government have fort so hard to keep it over the years but now this government is slowly selling it to private contracts won by the highest bidder and the is no way it can go back to the nhs hospitals until there contacts run out or labor gets back in. this story get a whole lot worse people on benefits here get there benefits stopped for 3 months if they are found not to be looking for work. They have to go to court to fight the decision (to appeal and are treated like a criminal. Not only this alot of these people are ill and even then they can have there appeal rejected. the government have also installed cameras in the court waiting rooms to monitor the people to see if there is any signs that they are lying. Most of these people are genuinely unwell.
My mate knows because he is issuing them all with food stamps while there benefits have been stopped.
So not only have they had there benefits stopped which in most cases only equates to 60-70 pound a week they are also required to pay the extra bedroom tax or face eviction. there is 3 million people on the waiting list for council homes because there is no one bedroom council flats left and landlord will not build 1 bedroom houses it is not in there interest.
so many people with mental health issues are suffering really bad in this country as a result of this they are forced to shack up in homeless centers or find bedsits on rooms or even homeless and made homeless by this stinking government.
everyone or most people are walking around in the uk blind to all this and our conservative government rich mans club government. To make it all look good they have given the working class people an extra 150.00 personal tax allowance which will not com in to 2015 and oh yeah they have reduced a pint of bear by 1p. (so sad) this government also sold of the royal mail to its friends they seriously need to go and im my opinion should never be allowed back in.

I really did believe David Cameron when he said the nhs health service was his main priority because he said he has kids and i like many believed him but what he really meant was to sell it all of over time to the private contractors, (because there is so much money to be made in private health contracts.
Sorry but the words scumbags comes to mind in fact i am so mad about this i am going to write to David Cameron personaly or start a campaign, the health service are so badly under pressure now that many people are being miss treated and left waiting a lot longer for the treatment while they need help while these scumbags get richer and richer. one day people will wake up and we will get an ever lasting government dedicated to peoples health on the nhs health service.
 
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One of the main frustrations is the perception that mental illness is separate from a physical illness.
When it is the same, wether the illness is caused by something outside the body..or inside, all has a cause.
It can be self inflicted, or inflicted by another.
It can be contamination, or an affliction from birth.
Spiritaul affects both mind and body, so just as we treat the body with medical care and prayer, we should not think different of the mind, as it requires the same care.

My daughter was born with a rare genetic delition, the only one that occers without being passed on from the parents.
It effects her whole body, from weakness, pain, digestive ect, and since her delition manages the whole genetic sequence, its effects are broad and unpredictible.
For many years she battled severe and chronic depression, had several suicide attempts, the cause of her health issues undiscovered untill she was almost an adult.
Mostly because the tests to diagnose, were not yet discovered untill then.
The cause of her depression symptoms were soon diagnosed as homones being toxic to her system.
After many visits to specialists and aproval of the state board, she was approved to have a drastic surgury which was of a last resort.
Since this surgury, her quality of life has imrpoved dramatically, and the severe depression eppisodes have stopped.
She still has some depression, but it is managed with both medications and suppliments that her body needs in higher doses because of her unique health issues.
This is why it is so important that mental and body are not deamed separate, but the same when one seeks treatment.
The cause of all health issues should be seen to by the apropiate dr or specialist.
Just as one sees an orthopedic for a broken bone, one should see the right dr for any health question.
Saddly it has been the idea that mental issues are the patient"s cause or fault that has prevented much needed care.
When if one looks closely, the head is attached to the body. :)

I am so greatful for the good and well learned drs that treat my daughter, as they have brought her much help and healing.
I thank God often for them, and for bringing us to them.

Many years ago I was young and a fool, and unfairly judged those with mental illness and being their own cause.
This was the common belief at that time.
I now know differently, and hope many who read this will consider all before making any quick or unfair judgement about this.

I do want to add, I have seen and confronted those who were possesssed and spiritually oppressed, and can tell you that once one has seen such, discerment remains with one.
And such spirital attacks, effect both body or mind.

Im just greatful we have Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh our savior, for He has trully brought us victory over the enemy and mercy rather than judgement over others.

Thankyou for taking the time to read this. :)

God bless
pickles
 
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I never said people who trust in God Are lazy. Please do not twist my words. When one refuses to do anything to help themselves and expects God to do it all is lazy. I'm guessing you didn't just sit at home the entire time and do nothing all time did you? I'm sure you did fight some and I'm glad you did bc you are still with us!
A couple in PA is in prison now for refusing to have their baby treated and relied on prayer only. The child died. When it's obvious someone needs medical help then one should have it.

Sickness is the result of sin. Though we may be children of god that doesn't make us exempt from illness. It's obvious God helped you, but since you say God heals all then why are some Christians still suffering from ailments? The fact is we all are going to die. Our flesh will get older, die and decay. Our earthly body is temporary. while God does heal some physically he doesn't heal all. It's our spiritual health he is most concerned with.
Please don't put all of us that are trusting in Him in the same boat. I do NOT trust the medical profession,I have to deal with things that they COULD not deal with and they ended up making it worse then it was in the beginning. Two I don't like the fact that a lot of the meds they are pushing now have very serious side effects and in many cases the side effects CAN BE WORSE then the problem I am dealing. Third also when God has placed into your heart to do so there MUST be the understanding that God may or may not remove it or heal it. (IE Paul)
 
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I've struggled with feelings of depression to varying degrees since my later childhood, and when I finally sought professional help for this as it was getting to the stage where I could no longer function I was also diagnosed with a personality disorder (borderline/emotional unstable). Thanks to God, for a few years I've been in recovery-I'm now at a level where my symptoms are mostly under control and they don't affect my day-to-day life lots.

I don't think a Christian should ever refuse psychiatric medication if needed purely on their basis of their faith. It is not unbiblical, and the Christians I've met who are against the use of psychiatric drugs would have no issues taking medication for a physical illness. I've seen people in churches tell vulnerable people to come off their medication. This is dangerous and they're not qualified to be advising on such issues! As the OP and others have said-I agree that a Christian should utilise the medical AND their Christian community. Some Christians will say things like Use what God's given you, just pray. Well, God in his mercy gives health care including medication!

Like everyone, Christians should be sensible when taking medication-be aware of what they're taking etc. I also think as a Christian its important to be cautious when using mainstream talking therapies that increasingly use Buddhist techniques of relaxation, "awareness" etc. I do think anti-depressants in particular are over prescribed in some places like the US and UK, and given when its not a mental health problem but situations in people's lives that need to be changed. No amount of medication can solve lifestyle problems. Some people need meds to get well enough to work on lifestyle issues though and some like me can't manage without meds. I've been on them for around 7 years though and when I've not been on the right one my mental health goes increasingly downhill and would go down to the point where I once was, I assume-dangerously unwell.
 
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I've struggled with feelings of depression to varying degrees since my later childhood, and when I finally sought professional help for this as it was getting to the stage where I could no longer function I was also diagnosed with a personality disorder (borderline/emotional unstable). Thanks to God, for a few years I've been in recovery-I'm now at a level where my symptoms are mostly under control and they don't affect my day-to-day life lots.

I don't think a Christian should ever refuse psychiatric medication if needed purely on their basis of their faith. It is not unbiblical, and the Christians I've met who are against the use of psychiatric drugs would have no issues taking medication for a physical illness. I've seen people in churches tell vulnerable people to come off their medication. This is dangerous and they're not qualified to be advising on such issues! As the OP and others have said-I agree that a Christian should utilise the medical AND their Christian community. Some Christians will say things like Use what God's given you, just pray. Well, God in his mercy gives health care including medication!

Like everyone, Christians should be sensible when taking medication-be aware of what they're taking etc. I also think as a Christian its important to be cautious when using mainstream talking therapies that increasingly use Buddhist techniques of relaxation, "awareness" etc. I do think anti-depressants in particular are over prescribed in some places like the US and UK, and given when its not a mental health problem but situations in people's lives that need to be changed. No amount of medication can solve lifestyle problems. Some people need meds to get well enough to work on lifestyle issues though and some like me can't manage without meds. I've been on them for around 7 years though and when I've not been on the right one my mental health goes increasingly downhill and would go down to the point where I once was, I assume-dangerously unwell.
Ms. Dove: Everyone's case is different.

While if at all possible, going onto anti-depressants unnecessarily in the first place would seem sensible, yet coming off them without being under medical supervision can lead to a lot of problems.

In any case, for the believer, prayer and the Scriptures should be a daily, spiritual diet, anti-depressants or no anti-depressants.

Blessings.