What Is Sexual Harassment?

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Enow

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It's becoming a sad truth here... View attachment 175767
Are the men trying to save face in impressing their women again that they did not leave the toilet seat up?

Would be nice if you had applied that in that other thread where a woman had asked a question about what to do about sexual harassment and the discussion got heated over there. Not sure why you applied it here yet.
 

maxwel

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You guys are being rediculous and you know it! I agree that some women can take things a little overboard or take something that's not meant in a sexual way and blow it out of proportion...but real sexual harassment is very common and can be very degrading...and sometimes can go way too far. I get that you all are cavemen. I'm hoping my future husband is a cavemany and has a frequent need and we both harass each other...but c'mon guys!

Yes, all the guys are taking things a little overboard and being silly.

I think the reason is because sexual harassment, in our modern, post postmodern world, has become horribly weird, confusing, and irrational. None of the guys on CC think genuine sexual harassment is ok. I think we'd all take action if we saw it, and many of us have. But there are some people (not people here) trying to propagate such a ridiculous definition of harassment that the whole subject just breaks down into absurdity. I mean seriously, if I look at a pretty girl too long, well, that my be impolite, but it certainly isn't some kind of criminal offense called RAPING HER WITH MY EYES.

I think because this whole issue, which is serious, has been driven into areas of absurdity by "some" of the feminists and SJWs, men therefore often find the best way to cope is simply to make some jokes. We joke about it. It's how we're trying to cope.

If I glance at a pretty girl, or walk up and politely say hello to her, NEITHER of those, alone, constitute sexual harassment. And yet there are many who claim they do.

This makes men feel confused, frustrated, and quite convinced that many women are just nuts.

So we make jokes.

We make LOTS of jokes.

: )


And for the record, a man can DEFINITELY be sexually harassed, and it happens all the time.
And I'm talking about real, serious harassment in work situations, where a female superior or client tries to pressure the man through work or finances.
It happens all the time.

It's even happened to me, and I'm just a pretty average guy.
 
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Jenizona

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If I glance at a pretty girl, or walk up and politely say hello to her, NEITHER of those, alone, constitute sexual harassment. And yet there are many who claim they do.
Agreed! And there's a Twitter movement where people are sharing their sexual harassment stories with the hashtag "#MeToo" and I read a lot of these, and I just want to roll my eyes and tell people to get over themselves. Yes, a lot of it is real, I get it... but I'm kind of sick of people feeling sorry for themselves and starting a whole movement over what boils down to unwanted advances. NOT THE SAME THING AS SEXUAL HARASSMENT/ASSAULT! Stop the insanity!! Thank you, needed to vent lol.

 
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Yes, all the guys are taking things a little overboard and being silly.
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I think the reason is because sexual harassment, in our modern, post post=modern world,
has become horribly weird, confusing, and irrational. Most non-'Christian-Men on CC think
genuine sexual harassment is ok, they 'make excuses for themselves...

I think most True-Christian-Men would take action if they saw it, and many have.
But there are some people (hopefully not many here) trying to propagate such a
ridiculous definition of harassment that the whole subject just breaks down into absurdity...
I mean seriously, if one looks at a pretty girl too long, well, that may be impolite, but it certainly isn't
some kind of criminal offense called RAPING HER WITH yours EYES.

only our precious Saviour knows our 'true hearts' desires and intents...and if we love and adore Him,
He will show us His True and Proper Way of dealing with this pitiful-fallen-world...

I think because this whole issue, which is serious, has been driven into areas of absurdity by "some" of the feminists and SJWs, men therefore often find the best way to cope is simply to make some jokes. We joke about it. It's how we're trying to cope.

If I glance at a pretty girl, or walk up and politely say hello to her, NEITHER of those, alone, constitute sexual harassment. And yet there are many who claim they do.

This makes men feel confused, frustrated, and quite convinced that many women are just nuts.

So we make jokes.

We make LOTS of jokes.

: )


And for the record, a man can DEFINITELY be sexually harassed, and it happens all the time.
And I'm talking about real, serious harassment in work situations, where a female superior or client tries to pressure the man through work or finances.
It happens all the time.

It's even happened to me, and I'm just a pretty average guy.
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for a REAL Christian Man,
sexual harassment just doesn't play into their lives...
but,
this doesn't mean that they won't be 'accused of it', have to deal with it,...
it just kind of goes with the carnal world that they/we have to learn how to
deal/live with, while we are still in 'this evil-world'...
 
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Pipp

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Are the men trying to save face in impressing their women again that they did not leave the toilet seat up?

Would be nice if you had applied that in that other thread where a woman had asked a question about what to do about sexual harassment and the discussion got heated over there. Not sure why you applied it here yet.
It was a mistake on my part. I was at work and got caught up.
 

Lighthearted

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I seen it done to a man one time. He was in the greenhouse when two girls were working on him to have sex with both of them, I reckon, while one was saying "If you don't use it, you will lose it." I had the hose and sprayed at squirt at them lightly, but they kept at it. I wasn't sure if I would get in trouble by my boss in the store for drenching the two cashiers or not, so I did not do it as much as I wanted to.

The guy caved in and he left with one of the two girls after work. I saw them together in the parking lot and wanted to say "Nooo.... nooo.. don't do it." I am not sure if I did say that, but I know I was thinking it. If I did say it, he did not listen.

I am pretty sure that young guy in high school knew he was not going to lose it if he did not have sex, but it does make one wonder why women can't take no for an answer. Because they know they can wear men down?

I remember her propositioning me at lunch time, and I said no. Began preaching against it, because I think she had asked why, and then she said I was ruining the mood.

There was another time when I was younger from that time I was working, a girl was asking me in front of her boyfriend and her friends that she wanted me to go with her somewhere to have sex when she had found out I never had any and she said that I would not regret it. I do not know why I did not say no right away. I just found her proposition like some kind of trick as if she wants her boyfriend to punch my face in or something and so I said no to the point of her boyfriend being right there. Then she went over to the car and asked him right in front of me and he said he did not care if I had sex with her. Noting the oddity of the situation as not some kind of trick by the girl to get more attention from her boyfriend, it was then that I had stated no to sex with her because God says it is wrong.

I was not on top of my game in knowing scripture well enough to show her, but I think I basically said that sex is for married people. It is a sin against God to have sex outside of marriage. She disagreed. I did not have a Bible handy to look for scripture to show her.

And I did not think of asking her if she believed in Jesus Christ or not. Another shortcoming at that moment also.

I had tried to show the scripture to the woman at work but she believed fornication was referring to prostitution and she doubted the Bible by saying who knows what it really says?

Every once in a while, I still pray for that girl that I used to work with because she says she is a believer in Jesus Christ; I do not want her to be left behind for not repenting from that iniquity. It gets worse when her mother taught her to be that way in finding the right man, because she says "You never know....." Problem is.. years later, I found out her father divorced from her mother and so if she was using fornication to find the right husband, then what her mother had taught her didn't work either for all the doubts she put in her daughter about finding the right man the way other people do by waiting until after marriage to have sex.

Anyway... with Hollywood messing with people's minds as what is normal in having sex before marriage, and I even knew a guy that got mad because a girl he had dated did not have sex with him; almost like he expected that to be a given, not that he disrespected her or anything, but he did not go out with her any more. Some guys actually believe they are supposed to have sex when they go on a date. Even television shows are painting that "reality".

So is it any wonder why there is sexual harassment? Especially when entertainment in the media glamorized a woman saying no but the guy kisses her any way and then she gives in while romantic music signify the scene as love conquers all... or should we say "lust"?

It is a messed up society we live in. Cat calling is just a sign that the christian man is not abiding in Christ; but running the way the world runs. Indeed, in this culture, nobody can really expect the average sinner to not cat call when society's standard for sex appeal and their sinful nature is programming them to.

But christians should be leaning on Jesus not to love the things in the world;

1 John 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

It is ironic that most women do nothing to men that cat call, but I have seen how people can join the mob in mistreating someone as a sexual harasser when that person did not sexually harassed any one, but seemingly looked at someone for an inordinate amount of time to be accused as one, regardless that he is a virgin and has no desire to have sex before marriage. Such witch hunt can be performed just for sport in bullying in making someone quit, but when the truth comes out, who will believe the false accusers the next time when they are the ones that are actually sexually harassed?

Apparently, some girls have not heard the tale of the boy who cried wolf.
That goes to show...not all women are cold when it comes to hu-hum...not all of us complain to our husbands that we have a "headache"...actually it cures my headache...

And yes, Tommy! I'm hoping I found my caveman...if he's not...I'm going to turn him into one on our honeymoon :)
 

Corbinscam

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Just to be clear..... I have no problem with being sexually harassed.

This why my men rarely, if ever, report harassment. lol. This comment made me actually lol.
 

maxwel

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Ancient Music...

from some forgotten time, even before the times of my ancestors...

when people recorded music on something called vinyl....

and women sang about wanting a caveman.





[video=youtube;pI_nk0L-cF4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_nk0L-cF4[/video]
 

Lighthearted

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Ancient Music...

from some forgotten time, even before the times of my ancestors...

when people recorded music on something called vinyl....

and women sang about wanting a caveman.





[video=youtube;pI_nk0L-cF4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI_nk0L-cF4[/video]
ROFL...what made you think of this?!!!
 

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Anyway, what is your definition of sexual harassment? Making it obvious that the person want to have sex with that person?
The definition of "harass" is to subject someone to aggressive pressure or intimidation -- to bully, torment, or pester someone. In the context of sexuality it would be attempting to pester someone about sexual relations, when that person has no interest in the one doing the harassing.

What should concern everyone is that some of these women have remained silent for decades or years, and then have started coming out of the woodwork (when it suited them). This is abnormal, in that there are multiple avenues available to people to extricate themselves from intimidation, either by going on the offensive, or walking away from a threatening situation permanently. If it was an employer-employee scenario, any woman with self-respect would simply quit then and there, and go find another job (or stay home if possible). She could also report the intimidation to the police or other authorities.

If we remove the sexual component, nobody has to put up with harassment or bullying by someone else, and there are always ways and means of dealing with those who have no qualms about bothering others. This is one situation where turning the other cheek is not called for. Also, bullies being cowards at heart, all it takes is for a person to stand up to to the bully, and let him or her know that you will not tolerate such behavior.

Something else which people fail to mention is that many women have taken to dressing provocatively or shamelessly, but expect men to treat them as ladies. That is simply asking for trouble. It has lately been fashionable for women to blatantly display their cleavage, and yet they are surprised if some men take that as a invitation for shenanigans. Even some Christian women follow this fashion, and forget about the necessity of modesty as instructed in Scripture. Then we have single young women plunking themselves down in bars late at night, or in the early hours of the morning, and expecting to escape the consequences. Or those attending wild parties and expecting to come away unscathed. These things are never addressed adequately in the context of sexual harassment. If you don't want the lion to have you for lunch, you do not enter his den.
 
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Hmm so every small flirt suddenly is sexual harassment.... so before going on a date you already need a lawyer
 
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when you felt that youve been harass then thats it
 

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The definition of "harass" is to subject someone to aggressive pressure or intimidation -- to bully, torment, or pester someone. In the context of sexuality it would be attempting to pester someone about sexual relations, when that person has no interest in the one doing the harassing.

What should concern everyone is that some of these women have remained silent for decades or years, and then have started coming out of the woodwork (when it suited them). This is abnormal, in that there are multiple avenues available to people to extricate themselves from intimidation, either by going on the offensive, or walking away from a threatening situation permanently. If it was an employer-employee scenario, any woman with self-respect would simply quit then and there, and go find another job (or stay home if possible). She could also report the intimidation to the police or other authorities.

If we remove the sexual component, nobody has to put up with harassment or bullying by someone else, and there are always ways and means of dealing with those who have no qualms about bothering others. This is one situation where turning the other cheek is not called for. Also, bullies being cowards at heart, all it takes is for a person to stand up to to the bully, and let him or her know that you will not tolerate such behavior.

Something else which people fail to mention is that many women have taken to dressing provocatively or shamelessly, but expect men to treat them as ladies. That is simply asking for trouble. It has lately been fashionable for women to blatantly display their cleavage, and yet they are surprised if some men take that as a invitation for shenanigans. Even some Christian women follow this fashion, and forget about the necessity of modesty as instructed in Scripture. Then we have single young women plunking themselves down in bars late at night, or in the early hours of the morning, and expecting to escape the consequences. Or those attending wild parties and expecting to come away unscathed. These things are never addressed adequately in the context of sexual harassment. If you don't want the lion to have you for lunch, you do not enter his den.
Although I agree with most of what you said, I don't see how a woman she suffer leaving her job because a man can't act professionally. I do agree that women should dress professionally and modestly, however, modest doesn't mean putting on a potato sack.
 

Lighthearted

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The definition of "harass" is to subject someone to aggressive pressure or intimidation -- to bully, torment, or pester someone. In the context of sexuality it would be attempting to pester someone about sexual relations, when that person has no interest in the one doing the harassing.

What should concern everyone is that some of these women have remained silent for decades or years, and then have started coming out of the woodwork (when it suited them). This is abnormal, in that there are multiple avenues available to people to extricate themselves from intimidation, either by going on the offensive, or walking away from a threatening situation permanently. If it was an employer-employee scenario, any woman with self-respect would simply quit then and there, and go find another job (or stay home if possible). She could also report the intimidation to the police or other authorities.

If we remove the sexual component, nobody has to put up with harassment or bullying by someone else, and there are always ways and means of dealing with those who have no qualms about bothering others. This is one situation where turning the other cheek is not called for. Also, bullies being cowards at heart, all it takes is for a person to stand up to to the bully, and let him or her know that you will not tolerate such behavior.

Something else which people fail to mention is that many women have taken to dressing provocatively or shamelessly, but expect men to treat them as ladies. That is simply asking for trouble. It has lately been fashionable for women to blatantly display their cleavage, and yet they are surprised if some men take that as a invitation for shenanigans. Even some Christian women follow this fashion, and forget about the necessity of modesty as instructed in Scripture. Then we have single young women plunking themselves down in bars late at night, or in the early hours of the morning, and expecting to escape the consequences. Or those attending wild parties and expecting to come away unscathed. These things are never addressed adequately in the context of sexual harassment. If you don't want the lion to have you for lunch, you do not enter his den.
Although I agree with most of what you said, I don't see how a woman should suffer leaving her job because a man can't act professionally. I do agree that women should dress professionally and modestly, however, modest doesn't mean putting on a potato sack. I agree if a woman dresses provocative...then she has not right to complain about being propositioned and flirted with...but if she says she's not interested, should then be left alone.
 
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That's what's starting to become the norm in America. "If I'm overly sensitive, it's your fault."
 

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It was a mistake on my part. I was at work and got caught up.
Understandable. Thanks for the clarification. Hopefully the picture will remind everyone not to get heated in this thread.:)
 

Enow

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That's what's starting to become the norm in America. "If I'm overly sensitive, it's your fault."
And here I thought that was PMS. Nobody's fault.:)

Opportunities for men to show grace for a change?

Or to pray to the Lord for help to walk away?