John Lennon

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SpeedRacer3

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So I'm just curious here, did John Lennon's song "Imagine" sorta speak against Christianity as well as other religions, or did the song actually send a positive message about them?
 

posthuman

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it would help to answer this Q. by looking at the lyrics:

John Lennon said:
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one

the song in my opinion clearly isn't just antithetical to 'religion' but to the idea of an afterlife at all, at least not one in which men are relegated to one or the other of two fates (at this point iirc Lennon was a bit of a hindu/buddhist/humanist mix - call it 'new age' i guess, believing in a fatalistic transcendentalism rather than any sort of deity & regarding 'deity' itself as a poorly defined notion that should actually refer to mankind itself in an also poorly defined state of 'enlightenment')

the idea behind this song is that if you removed all religious & spiritual aspects of the human condition, a more 'utilitarian' ethos might emerge, in which we all lived peaceably, shared all possessions and wealth & helped each other out without any prejudice.

the problem is that mankind doesn't become selfless when you remove all religious & spiritual impetus. quite the opposite - men become egoists, even if its hidden beneath a veneer of faux-goodness; in Lennon's construct those good works are really self-serving too, since they are done for the sake of one's own enlightenment, not at heart for the well-being of others.
 
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jimmydiggs

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It's pretty well against Christianity.
 
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CCmarie05

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#4
I don't think i've ever thought about the lyrics before. But looking at them now i can see the anti-Christian views. Kind of supports a one world government view
 
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didymos

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The lyrics are about buddhism, nuf said.
 

eugenius

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Spoken like an apologist. Excellent.

it would help to answer this Q. by looking at the lyrics:



the song in my opinion clearly isn't just antithetical to 'religion' but to the idea of an afterlife at all, at least not one in which men are relegated to one or the other of two fates (at this point iirc Lennon was a bit of a hindu/buddhist/humanist mix - call it 'new age' i guess, believing in a fatalistic transcendentalism rather than any sort of deity & regarding 'deity' itself as a poorly defined notion that should actually refer to mankind itself in an also poorly defined state of 'enlightenment')

the idea behind this song is that if you removed all religious & spiritual aspects of the human condition, a more 'utilitarian' ethos might emerge, in which we all lived peaceably, shared all possessions and wealth & helped each other out without any prejudice.

the problem is that mankind doesn't become selfless when you remove all religious & spiritual impetus. quite the opposite - men become egoists, even if its hidden beneath a veneer of faux-goodness; in Lennon's construct those good works are really self-serving too, since they are done for the sake of one's own enlightenment, not at heart for the well-being of others.
 
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Relena7

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I found that song depressing since I was a kid. Didn't even notice the lyrics till I was older.