The Devil has entered the Church!

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FREAK4JESUS

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1. Christian Raps, Christian Rocks, Christian Harlem Shake, and other secular musics are being promoted in the Church and people are calling it freedom in the house of God and those who reject it are known as "Religious", sometimes they even compare us to the Pharisees.
2. Most preachers have nothing to preach but Prosperity Gospel not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Wait wait, i'll explain it to you!
3. Tattoos, Piercings, Worldly Hair Cuts that represent the styles of the world.
4. Sexual sin is being promoted into the Church and most of todays Church members think that they're saved and they are still in sexual sin. We can see people kissing, Lesbians Kissing in the TV and it's been a long time ago that we've started to see sexual sin in Christian films. No matter what you think!
5. Spiritual Guidance from God is taken as a hallucination and lie. When some one tells that he/she had a vision and it's true people do not want to listen. People do not want to go to Churches where demons are cast out and casting out demons has been a past tense story, specially in USA. People are sitting in the Church having demons of Porn, Adultery, Lust, Secular Music and they don't feel like they've done wrong.
6. No one is preaching the coming of the messiah and no one tells people to repent. Everyone speaks about prosperity, money, nice christian rappers and so on. Where is holiness? Where is obedience being practiced? Where is seeking the Kingdom of Heaven?
7. The most funny part of these deceptions is that Pastors preach that no one can be holy and no one can ever stop being a sinner. If then why did Jesus Christ die for us? Know that not every Christians will go to heaven but only the ones who are made holy, sanctified and those who have the righteousness of God. No matter what you convince yourself the God said Leviticus 19:2 - Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God [am] holy. And who is the one to speak against God's word? But this doesn't mean we have no sin! We have to be holy and live in righteousness yet we have sin & that is why we repent.
8. Ministers misinterpret the mercy and grace of God telling people that they can sin small small once again and it's ok because God is merciful and his grace is free. What? No one can understand the false doctrine, it takes the voice of God to discern! We are humans and we can't discern by this small brain but we need the armour of God and to ask God everything we need to ask him.
All these deceptions appear in todays Church. And I know that many people get angry with my post and I've nothing to do but to tell you all the truth. If you want to know why Christian Raps, Rocks and other musics are wrong, go to my blog and read http://christianchat.com/blogs/freak4jesus/2102-why-christian-raps-rocks-deception-church.html
Here go I explain why prosperity Gospel is wrong! Do you love money? If no, you should know that God is your provider and do not worry about any complex way of getting money rather obey what the Lord tells you to do. For whatever a man sows, he will reap. And know that there is no time to run seeking for money or prosperity! People are going to hell while Pastors preach prosperity doctrines and they've forgotten holiness and obedience to the word of the Lord. Remember Matthew 7:22 and you'll know what I'm talking about. There are many ministers who are addicted to secret alcohols, pornography, adultery and so on. They preach well and they may even do miracles in the name of Jesus but remember, that is Just a gift it's not holiness. A gift is given for free not because you're a righteous person or not. The greatest gift man can have is the gift of being the son of God and that's heaven gain. Matthew 7:22 -Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. If these people really did not know what they have been doing we have the responsibility to allow them to come to the Right Gospel of Jesus Christ and let them come to know the real Jesus Christ. I said this because I can see the Church is blinded. But woe to those who already know this and did not repent. We have to repent daily, every time we kneel down and every time we pray in the spirit.
 
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zaoman32

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...uhhhhhhhh....
 

Nautilus

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i stopped caring after the third point
 
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Grey

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#4
Oh look someone denouncing popular culture, haven't heard that one before!
 

posthuman

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#6
i guess this is "the prosperity gospel" ?

from the album "REPENT OR PERISH" (because 'Christian Rock' is the work of the devil and "no one preaches repentance" ??)

[video=youtube_share;Hyvb5w2XppQ]http://youtu.be/Hyvb5w2XppQ[/video]

lyrics are Deuteronomy 32:1-9

"Give ear, o heavens, and I will speak;
And hear, o earth, the words of my mouth.
Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As raindrops on the tender herb,
And as showers on the grass.
For I proclaim the name of the Lord;
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the rock, his work is perfect;
For all his ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is he."
"They have corrupted themselves;
They are not his children,
Because of their blemish:
A perverse and crooked generation.
Do you thus deal with the Lord?
O foolish and unwise people?
Is he not your father, who bought you?
Has he not made you and established you?"
"Remember the days of old,
Consider the years of many generations.
Ask your father, and he will show you;
Your elders, and they will tell you:
When the most high divided their inheritance to the nations,
When he separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel
For the Lord's portion is his people;
Jacob is the place of his inheritance."


show me the fault in these lyrics?

show me how this music teaches a false Christ?

you will say the sound is angry and violent? the sound is like the attitude of your post!

how many Psalms cry out for the destruction of the Lord's enemies? do you think every song must be one of peace and tranquility? that sounds more like the "prosperity gospel" to me.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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There is no rock, rap, metal in heaven! Trust me people will not repent because of this music. They repent if you preach to them only. Biblically, I can tell you this is not the way. Meaning, words have no changing power if they are not anointed and any one can preach but only the ones whose words are anointed make change. Meaning, the person who preaches a word which is not anointed is just shouting an empty can. That is why we have to be spirit filled before we go out for preaching. And these rappers / rockers bring this words in an attracting way. That's deception to the church because Rock is a sacrifice to the devil and they are mixing what belongs to the devil and what belongs to God. People listen to this for the love of the genre..yet none of them become real christians. But look at the time of Peter, he preached once and changed 3,000 people that's what the holy spirit can do and this rockers can't do without the anointing. You can look at the words but you are not asked to test words, you are told to test spirits and discern spirits not just words you,... my bro. You listen to the same rock which preaches about holiness and you may not be holy because of that. But when a spirit filled person preaches to you once you'll get what you can not get in 10 times of the rap/rock music listening with the same sayings. because what matters is the spirit and God is spirit and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. You can see how we are blinded and I don't want to condemn any one because I have a sin more than any of you out here if not for his grace and mercy.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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i guess this is "the prosperity gospel" ?

from the album "REPENT OR PERISH" (because 'Christian Rock' is the work of the devil and "no one preaches repentance" ??)

[video=youtube_share;Hyvb5w2XppQ]http://youtu.be/Hyvb5w2XppQ[/video]

lyrics are Deuteronomy 32:1-9

"Give ear, o heavens, and I will speak;
And hear, o earth, the words of my mouth.
Let my teaching drop as the rain,
My speech distill as the dew,
As raindrops on the tender herb,
And as showers on the grass.
For I proclaim the name of the Lord;
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the rock, his work is perfect;
For all his ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is he."
"They have corrupted themselves;
They are not his children,
Because of their blemish:
A perverse and crooked generation.
Do you thus deal with the Lord?
O foolish and unwise people?
Is he not your father, who bought you?
Has he not made you and established you?"
"Remember the days of old,
Consider the years of many generations.
Ask your father, and he will show you;
Your elders, and they will tell you:
When the most high divided their inheritance to the nations,
When he separated the sons of Adam,
He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel
For the Lord's portion is his people;
Jacob is the place of his inheritance."


show me the fault in these lyrics?

show me how this music teaches a false Christ?

you will say the sound is angry and violent? the sound is like the attitude of your post!

how many Psalms cry out for the destruction of the Lord's enemies? do you think every song must be one of peace and tranquility? that sounds more like the "prosperity gospel" to me.
If your mind is full of rock and if your heart is empty you better not to listen to that music. What if the spirit of pride is hidden in the beats of the worldly musics? There is heavenly and there is worldly. Heavenly is a sacrifice to God and worldly is to the devil. Rap is not heavenly. It's just a part of the world and there might be spirits behind the beats. Like pride, arrogance, let alone these sound words. They are good words but remember word is empty without spirit. I can preach you 1000 times but make no change if there's no spirit!

Spirit behind the music is effective. Not only the word. Word without spirit is westage. because God spoke the word but it was his spirit that created the universe as his spirit was flowing on the waters. The bible and scriptures will become a knowledge but will bring no change in your life if there's no holy spirit behind the words you speak and read. That is why heavenly musics have the holy spirit behind them! Don't you at least learn from the testimony of the music industry? There is no rock, rap, metal in heaven! Trust me people will not repent because of this music. They repent if you preach to them only. Biblically, I can tell you this is not the way. Meaning, words have no changing power if they are not anointed and any one can preach but only the ones whose words are anointed make change. Meaning, the person who preaches a word which is not anointed is just shouting an empty can. That is why we have to be spirit filled before we go out for preaching. And these rappers / rockers bring this words in an attracting way. That's deception to the church because Rock is a sacrifice to the devil and they are mixing what belongs to the devil and what belongs to God. People listen to this for the love of the genre..yet none of them become real christians. But look at the time of Peter, he preached once and changed 3,000 people that's what the holy spirit can do and this rockers can't do without the anointing. You can look at the words but you are not asked to test words, you are told to test spirits and discern spirits not just words you,... my bro. You listen to the same rock which preaches about holiness and you may not be holy because of that. But when a spirit filled person preaches to you once you'll get what you can not get in 10 times of the rap/rock music listening with the same sayings. because what matters is the spirit and God is spirit and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. You can see how we are blinded and I don't want to condemn any one because I have a sin more than any of you out here if not for his grace and mercy.
 
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zaoman32

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There is no rock, rap, metal in heaven! Trust me people will not repent because of this music.
Really? Because I know of several people who have...
 

posthuman

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a clanging gong without love.

you also, should discern spirits and not "sounds"

do you think the man who performed the song above did it for money and fame? he has produced 15 albums and sold less than 1000 copies. He has recorded 20x as many Psalms as Hillsong or any other popular "worship band" and doesn't ever receive enough money to cover the expenses of recording. he does this for love of his Lord. i am not condemning artists in a more popular genre, but people like Matt Redman and Chris Tomlin are making no small amount of money for churning out pre-fabricated "palatable" worship music.

as Paul wrote to the Corinthians --
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

will you not allow Christ, through his body that is his chosen people, a people chosen out of all nations, to do the same?

my God is mighty in power, a jealous God and vengeance is His. His voice brings worlds into being and peels back the sky like a scroll. His footsteps melt mountains.

Satan is an angel of light. The lips of the adultress drip honey. take the measure you judge with and apply it, if you want to judge. will you really say "anyone with an electric guitar cannot possibly have a heart for Christ" ?

i used to hate rap music, because i hated the swagger and the culture associated with it. i've been exposed to quite a lot of Christian rap music in the last few years, and my mind has been completely turned around on the subject.
do you know why?
i put aside my own fleshly lusts - which were against the artistic style - and listened to what these people were saying. i saw that this had meaning for the people who were sharing the music with me. i listened to the lyrics, and to the heart of the people rapping. i looked at their websites; i read their interviews; i talked to the people who were their fans.
do you know what i found?
i found the spirit of the Living God pouring out like water from their mouths. i heard Christ preached. i found lives that were changed and people who, right where they were when they accepted salvation, began using the tools that their hands knew how to use to spread the gospel.

did Paul speak in Hebrew to the Greeks?

did Peter command the gentiles not to eat pork?


no one is saying that you have to listen to heavy metal, or rap, or to opera, or to EDM, or to bluegrass, or to reggae, or anything else. you are in error if you think none of this can be used of God.

just as He has called a people to His name from many nations and many tongues, He has called musicians from many genres and with many musical "tongues" to His purpose.

at pentecost, thousands believed after they heard the gospel preached in their own tongue.

would you have all gospel preached in aramaic, with all songs sung to cantas by Bach and Schubert?

when we get to heaven, we will see if there is not rejoicing & praise in every manner of sound imaginable and beyond description!

listen to how the arab world chants prayers now -- this is doubtless closer to how many Psalms were sung than with 4-4 beat and chorus-verse-chorus structure like in our hymnal. and this style is closer to rap music than is to any current popular genre.

let everything that has breath praise the Lord!

the hills and mountains rejoice, tell me, what is the sound of a pile of rock and ore rejoicing? is that much like a piano?

SHOUT TO THE LORD! says the psalmist. is this what "just as i am" sounds like?



don't get me wrong, i love the old hymns. Fannie Crosby ♥♥♥♥
i whistle "the old rugged cross" and "brother mosely crossed the water" while walking on my way.
and i don't disagree with you at all that there is much abuse, much sin, much wrong teaching, many hearts not after God behind the microphone and behind the pulpit. the same is found behind the choir robe.

Christ was just as holy overturning the tables in the temple as he was bleeding tears in the garden, suffering unimaginably on the cross, walking on water and quietly drawing in the sand.

the holy things of the temple included statues of angels & bowls to be filled with blood. the same God who was in the still, small voice was in the pillar of fire. Christ taught more about Hell and Damnation than any prophet of the old covenant. Were all his words sweet and mixed with honey? so neither is all true, spirit-filled worship serene and soothing to your ear. it is the lukewarm water that is spewed out of ones mouth.

Sing unto the LORD a new song! Praise Him with all kinds of instruments!
 
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Ugly

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#11
This thread is the typical, religiously motivated load of crap filled with claims they can't verify or prove. 'worldly haircut'? What is a 'Christian haircut'? Now i know to avoid this guys posts from now on.
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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#12
Well well well. I'm alright with all of this. Be who you are called to be! But beware of mixing the churchs style with the world. The devil is doing some work on this. Take Care Y'all. That's all I can say!
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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a clanging gong without love.

you also, should discern spirits and not "sounds"

do you think the man who performed the song above did it for money and fame? he has produced 15 albums and sold less than 1000 copies. He has recorded 20x as many Psalms as Hillsong or any other popular "worship band" and doesn't ever receive enough money to cover the expenses of recording. he does this for love of his Lord. i am not condemning artists in a more popular genre, but people like Matt Redman and Chris Tomlin are making no small amount of money for churning out pre-fabricated "palatable" worship music.

as Paul wrote to the Corinthians --
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.

will you not allow Christ, through his body that is his chosen people, a people chosen out of all nations, to do the same?

my God is mighty in power, a jealous God and vengeance is His. His voice brings worlds into being and peels back the sky like a scroll. His footsteps melt mountains.

Satan is an angel of light. The lips of the adultress drip honey. take the measure you judge with and apply it, if you want to judge. will you really say "anyone with an electric guitar cannot possibly have a heart for Christ" ?

i used to hate rap music, because i hated the swagger and the culture associated with it. i've been exposed to quite a lot of Christian rap music in the last few years, and my mind has been completely turned around on the subject.
do you know why?
i put aside my own fleshly lusts - which were against the artistic style - and listened to what these people were saying. i saw that this had meaning for the people who were sharing the music with me. i listened to the lyrics, and to the heart of the people rapping. i looked at their websites; i read their interviews; i talked to the people who were their fans.
do you know what i found?
i found the spirit of the Living God pouring out like water from their mouths. i heard Christ preached. i found lives that were changed and people who, right where they were when they accepted salvation, began using the tools that their hands knew how to use to spread the gospel.

did Paul speak in Hebrew to the Greeks?

did Peter command the gentiles not to eat pork?


no one is saying that you have to listen to heavy metal, or rap, or to opera, or to EDM, or to bluegrass, or to reggae, or anything else. you are in error if you think none of this can be used of God.

just as He has called a people to His name from many nations and many tongues, He has called musicians from many genres and with many musical "tongues" to His purpose.

at pentecost, thousands believed after they heard the gospel preached in their own tongue.

would you have all gospel preached in aramaic, with all songs sung to cantas by Bach and Schubert?

when we get to heaven, we will see if there is not rejoicing & praise in every manner of sound imaginable and beyond description!

listen to how the arab world chants prayers now -- this is doubtless closer to how many Psalms were sung than with 4-4 beat and chorus-verse-chorus structure like in our hymnal. and this style is closer to rap music than is to any current popular genre.

let everything that has breath praise the Lord!

the hills and mountains rejoice, tell me, what is the sound of a pile of rock and ore rejoicing? is that much like a piano?

SHOUT TO THE LORD! says the psalmist. is this what "just as i am" sounds like?



don't get me wrong, i love the old hymns. Fannie Crosby ♥♥♥♥
i whistle "the old rugged cross" and "brother mosely crossed the water" while walking on my way.
and i don't disagree with you at all that there is much abuse, much sin, much wrong teaching, many hearts not after God behind the microphone and behind the pulpit. the same is found behind the choir robe.

Christ was just as holy overturning the tables in the temple as he was bleeding tears in the garden, suffering unimaginably on the cross, walking on water and quietly drawing in the sand.

the holy things of the temple included statues of angels & bowls to be filled with blood. the same God who was in the still, small voice was in the pillar of fire. Christ taught more about Hell and Damnation than any prophet of the old covenant. Were all his words sweet and mixed with honey? so neither is all true, spirit-filled worship serene and soothing to your ear. it is the lukewarm water that is spewed out of ones mouth.

Sing unto the LORD a new song! Praise Him with all kinds of instruments!
You should also know that there are Heavenly Songs.
 
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ServantStrike

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If your mind is full of rock and if your heart is empty you better not to listen to that music. What if the spirit of pride is hidden in the beats of the worldly musics? There is heavenly and there is worldly. Heavenly is a sacrifice to God and worldly is to the devil. Rap is not heavenly. It's just a part of the world and there might be spirits behind the beats. Like pride, arrogance, let alone these sound words. They are good words but remember word is empty without spirit. I can preach you 1000 times but make no change if there's no spirit!

Spirit behind the music is effective. Not only the word. Word without spirit is westage. because God spoke the word but it was his spirit that created the universe as his spirit was flowing on the waters. The bible and scriptures will become a knowledge but will bring no change in your life if there's no holy spirit behind the words you speak and read. That is why heavenly musics have the holy spirit behind them! Don't you at least learn from the testimony of the music industry? There is no rock, rap, metal in heaven! Trust me people will not repent because of this music. They repent if you preach to them only. Biblically, I can tell you this is not the way. Meaning, words have no changing power if they are not anointed and any one can preach but only the ones whose words are anointed make change. Meaning, the person who preaches a word which is not anointed is just shouting an empty can. That is why we have to be spirit filled before we go out for preaching. And these rappers / rockers bring this words in an attracting way. That's deception to the church because Rock is a sacrifice to the devil and they are mixing what belongs to the devil and what belongs to God. People listen to this for the love of the genre..yet none of them become real christians. But look at the time of Peter, he preached once and changed 3,000 people that's what the holy spirit can do and this rockers can't do without the anointing. You can look at the words but you are not asked to test words, you are told to test spirits and discern spirits not just words you,... my bro. You listen to the same rock which preaches about holiness and you may not be holy because of that. But when a spirit filled person preaches to you once you'll get what you can not get in 10 times of the rap/rock music listening with the same sayings. because what matters is the spirit and God is spirit and those who worship him do so in spirit and truth. You can see how we are blinded and I don't want to condemn any one because I have a sin more than any of you out here if not for his grace and mercy.
How do you respond to this then:
Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
As you can see, I'm a die hard KJV fan, so we probably have a lot in common. I don't embrace things just because everyone else is doing them, but I'm slow to bash new things at the same time.

Or how do you respond to blasphemy againt the Holy Spirit? What if a musician feels led by God to preach through unconventional methods, perhaps even by simply showing people that not all music of a certain genre is worldy (and not always through beating someone over the head with verses of Jesus Jesus Jesus)? I've met people who had no idea Christians were anything but bible thumpers until I shared some of my favorite music with them.

I love all kinds of this horrendous Christian music provided the lyrical content is not counter biblical. My favorite though is when they drop prayer or scripture into it too. Some of us LIKE to hear Christ preached at 100 MPH.

One of my favs is Nodes of Ranvier's Endless Faith. Sounds a lot like the book of Job no? And hey, there are snippets from the chorus of a very popular contemporay Hymn in there. There was a day that Amazing Grace was a contemporary hymn and it's my favorite "classic" hymn.
My God, my God, Heavenly Father!
I feel forsaken.
Disgrace and shame consume me.
Eternal night now reigns.
Daylight engulfed by shadows,
I pray to end this agony.

[Chorus:]
Gone, everything I loved, just a memory.
Stripped of every ounce of self-respect
fall to my knees.
Cover me in ash, curse the day that I was born.
Release me from this living death, welcome oblivion.

My friends they offer only cruel indifference.
You did this to yourself,
now you must pay the consequence.
I can't believe how fast companions turn their back
Another cruel reminder nothing ever lasts...
It's gone...

[Chorus]

You give and take away
Blessed be Your name.
I cannot comprehend all the workings of Your hand
But still I will wait, hold fast to endless faith.
Overwhelmed and torn apart but never abandoned
When it seems that all is gone.

[Chorus]

Hold fast!! With confidence!!
Overcome your doubt with endless... faith.
Conquer. Prevail.
[video=youtube;odmiC8WrOcU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odmiC8WrOcU[/video]
 
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FREAK4JESUS

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#16
This thread is the typical, religiously motivated load of crap filled with claims they can't verify or prove. 'worldly haircut'? What is a 'Christian haircut'? Now i know to avoid this guys posts from now on.
I'm not a Toy that I let the world to choose my hair cut. God will choose how I should look like.
 

Nautilus

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#17
why cant we ban people like this too?
 

Groovy_Dan

Junior Member
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#18
Just out of interest...what constitutes a sinless haircut in the term 'Christian Hair Cut'?

Where can I red of this requirement to ensure sin is promoted within me?

Also, realistically - we can never stop sinning - we are human and have free will. If we stop sinning and remain purified in Gods forgiving love, then we stand before him free from sin. No human is without his failings, it is our nature and our subconcience will, as we are genetically programmed differently to our beliefs.

Christ died and rose again for us to free us from this sin, allowing us to come to the Father to ask his forgiveness through his Son, asking him to help us to stop committing this sin - although ultimately, its up to us.

Please, when adding a list of points - please ensure they have a point rather than just an extreme view point.
 
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Tintin

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#19
I'm not a Toy that I let the world to choose my hair cut. God will choose how I should look like.
And people wonder why Christians are often recognised as non-thinking morons. Please, I choose my own hairstyle. I cut my hair in the shape of a cross, my mustache in the shape of a dove and my beard in the shape of the empty tomb. I'm going to Heaven, baby because I'm holier than all you sinners!

No. Stop this crap now. You're scaring away people who might otherwise turn to God.

(That said, some of what you've said is correct - prosperity gospel being non-biblical bollocks and the hypocrisy in the church). But just so you know, you're a sinner too. Have a great day.
 
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letti

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#20
I loved that one tintin:D