Then you arent living on the same planet as I am. Twentieth century Australia, reformation Europe, twentieth century England, current Scotland, pre-JFK USA and of course Northern Ireland, are all examples of large scale social and political Christian sectarianism of varying degrees, often resulting in substantial amounts of violence, rape and murder.
“CHRISTIANS” ATTACK CATHOLICS
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You're peacocking... trying to portray the world locked in a global war of violence between Protestants and Catholics. It's not true.
Like I said:
"Every protestant I know, while in disagreement with the RCC on various matters of doctrine, generally gets along well with Catholics (including myself). Even when Catholics come at us assertively, such as Catholic apologists, it never goes beyond discussion/debate/argument in that order depending on the personalities involved.
Certainly we're long past the ancient European religious wars between Protestant and Catholics and though local tensions sometimes flair between us in various parts of the world or over particular issues, we tolerate each other reasonably well [from a global socio-religious perspective]."
^ That, unlike your own false assertion, is a correct one.
But if you want to continue pretending that Catholics and Christians are presently engaged in a sweeping global war of violence against each other participating in "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" across the globe like the Sunni and Shia Muslim factions are, then you simply reveal that you're an ignorant person to those who know better.
Take Ireland, for example. The death toll from decades of conflict in Northern Ireland is about 3,300 lives... about a week of Sunni vs Shia fighting. As Glen Roberts writes:
"Historians and political scientists prefer to describe the two sides with words like Nationalist, Republican, Ulster, Loyalist and Unionist because sectarian divisions often do not hold up. Protestants were found on both sides of the conflict, for example, and there were notable Catholics who remained loyal to England.
The IRA did not have a Biblical charter. In fact, they were a Marxist-atheist organization. Neither did the British government have religious motives, nor any of the other major groups. There were some smaller, radical groups that used the language of religious purity, but they were relatively obscure.
The issue for the 'Catholic' factions was Irish nationalism, and for the 'Protestants' it was self-preservation and an end to the violence. Only a very small minority of the citizens in Northern Ireland actually participated in the conflict, although the grief was spread among many.
Some victims were killed around churches, but these were targeted assassinations that were incidental to the location. There appears to be no concerted campaign against rival churches or cathedrals, and few (if any) deadly bombings actually occurred in a house of worship (see cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/). Church leaders on both sides routinely condemned the violence - in fact, the Catholic church excommunicated members of the IRA. The claims of responsibility for the bombings and assassinations did not typically quote from the Bible or make reference to God."
You're making a false assertion and doing so ostentatiously in a manner reminiscent of a peacock.
While there are presently some localities where Christian/Catholic denominationalism mixes badly with political historical regional enmity these are the exception not the rule and they certainly are not as you described them.
Overall, socially we get along reasonably well in the world despite irreconcilable doctrinal differences.
Like I said:
"Every protestant I know, while in disagreement with the RCC on various matters of doctrine, generally gets along well with Catholics (including myself). Even when Catholics come at us assertively, such as Catholic apologists, it never goes beyond discussion/debate/argument in that order depending on the personalities involved.
Certainly we're long past the ancient European religious wars between Protestant and Catholics and though local tensions sometimes flair between us in various parts of the world or over particular issues, we tolerate each other reasonably well [from a global socio-religious perspective]."
^ That, unlike your own false assertion, is a correct one.
But if you want to continue pretending that Catholics and Christians are presently engaged in a sweeping global war of violence against each other participating in "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" across the globe like the Sunni and Shia Muslim factions are, then you simply reveal that you're an ignorant person to those who know better.
Take Ireland, for example. The death toll from decades of conflict in Northern Ireland is about 3,300 lives... about a week of Sunni vs Shia fighting. As Glen Roberts writes:
"Historians and political scientists prefer to describe the two sides with words like Nationalist, Republican, Ulster, Loyalist and Unionist because sectarian divisions often do not hold up. Protestants were found on both sides of the conflict, for example, and there were notable Catholics who remained loyal to England.
The IRA did not have a Biblical charter. In fact, they were a Marxist-atheist organization. Neither did the British government have religious motives, nor any of the other major groups. There were some smaller, radical groups that used the language of religious purity, but they were relatively obscure.
The issue for the 'Catholic' factions was Irish nationalism, and for the 'Protestants' it was self-preservation and an end to the violence. Only a very small minority of the citizens in Northern Ireland actually participated in the conflict, although the grief was spread among many.
Some victims were killed around churches, but these were targeted assassinations that were incidental to the location. There appears to be no concerted campaign against rival churches or cathedrals, and few (if any) deadly bombings actually occurred in a house of worship (see cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/). Church leaders on both sides routinely condemned the violence - in fact, the Catholic church excommunicated members of the IRA. The claims of responsibility for the bombings and assassinations did not typically quote from the Bible or make reference to God."
You're making a false assertion and doing so ostentatiously in a manner reminiscent of a peacock.
While there are presently some localities where Christian/Catholic denominationalism mixes badly with political historical regional enmity these are the exception not the rule and they certainly are not as you described them.
Overall, socially we get along reasonably well in the world despite irreconcilable doctrinal differences.
Marxist atheist? Lol I doubt most IRA men could tell you what that means. AoK, the IRA were almost entirely from Catholic backgrounds.
Catholics had been marginalized by the British government into poverty for decades before the troubles started and it wasn't because they were lepers, it was because they were Catholic.
During the troubles, Catholics were killed simply for being Catholic, protestants simply for being protestant. There's almost no distinction made between political viewpoint and religious community. If you're catholic, you're extremely likely to be republican, and you're generally assumed to be. If you're protestant, you're generally assumed to be Loyalist. To say there's no religious motivation for attacks and conflict is patently false. I've lived in Belfast for the guts of twenty years and I've never heard of someone being killed because they take a preservative political stance. They were killed because they're a 'Prod'. Likewise, I've never heard someone say 'they shot his two legs in because he espoused views amicable to the unity of the Irish island', it was because he was a 'dirty Catholic'.
You are the man who talks too much about things he knows nothing about but what he reads in a book.
Catholics had been marginalized by the British government into poverty for decades before the troubles started and it wasn't because they were lepers, it was because they were Catholic.
During the troubles, Catholics were killed simply for being Catholic, protestants simply for being protestant. There's almost no distinction made between political viewpoint and religious community. If you're catholic, you're extremely likely to be republican, and you're generally assumed to be. If you're protestant, you're generally assumed to be Loyalist. To say there's no religious motivation for attacks and conflict is patently false. I've lived in Belfast for the guts of twenty years and I've never heard of someone being killed because they take a preservative political stance. They were killed because they're a 'Prod'. Likewise, I've never heard someone say 'they shot his two legs in because he espoused views amicable to the unity of the Irish island', it was because he was a 'dirty Catholic'.
You are the man who talks too much about things he knows nothing about but what he reads in a book.
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I assert they certainly can. Just because you're ignorant of their history doesn't mean that they themselves are. The Official Irish Republican Army's (e.g. "Red IRA"), along with their provisional subsidiaries, expressed goal was to remove Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom and create a Marxist "workers' republic" encompassing all of Ireland.
And as Wikipedia's Protestant Irish nationalists webpage 'Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia states:
"Irish Protestants have played a central role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite a majority of Irish nationalists historically being Roman Catholics... Today the relation of Protestants to Irish nationalism differs sharply between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. In the Republic, the vast majority of Protestants regard themselves as nationalists, and accept the independence of Ireland, even if there have been tensions over the central role of the Roman Catholic Church in independent Ireland."
But even if Roman Catholics were the only ones involved and it was a religious war (which simply isn't true), the IRA has always had a relatively small membership, estimated at several hundred members, organized in small clandestine cells. Not exactly the sweeping "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" like the Sunni and Shia Muslim factions are presently engaged in that you falsely misrepresent it to be.
Let's see, CAIN lists all Irish sectarian deaths since 1969 which total 3,658: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbcGhOdG0zTG1EWkVNMkpwa3A1ZTBsZFE#gid=0
In the state I live in here in the U.S. which has 38.33 million people (compare that to Ireland's 4.595 million people) the death toll between Protestant's and Catholics since 1969 is 0. That's zero as in none whatsoever.
But carry on with your fairytale that Protestants and Catholics are engaged in a violent global conflict creating "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" as they are amusing to read. Perhaps your talent lies in the area of science fiction.
And as Wikipedia's Protestant Irish nationalists webpage 'Protestant Irish nationalists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia states:
"Irish Protestants have played a central role in the development of Irish nationalism since the eighteenth century, despite a majority of Irish nationalists historically being Roman Catholics... Today the relation of Protestants to Irish nationalism differs sharply between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. In the Republic, the vast majority of Protestants regard themselves as nationalists, and accept the independence of Ireland, even if there have been tensions over the central role of the Roman Catholic Church in independent Ireland."
But even if Roman Catholics were the only ones involved and it was a religious war (which simply isn't true), the IRA has always had a relatively small membership, estimated at several hundred members, organized in small clandestine cells. Not exactly the sweeping "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" like the Sunni and Shia Muslim factions are presently engaged in that you falsely misrepresent it to be.
Let's see, CAIN lists all Irish sectarian deaths since 1969 which total 3,658: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbcGhOdG0zTG1EWkVNMkpwa3A1ZTBsZFE#gid=0
In the state I live in here in the U.S. which has 38.33 million people (compare that to Ireland's 4.595 million people) the death toll between Protestant's and Catholics since 1969 is 0. That's zero as in none whatsoever.
But carry on with your fairytale that Protestants and Catholics are engaged in a violent global conflict creating "substantial amounts of violence, rape, and murder" as they are amusing to read. Perhaps your talent lies in the area of science fiction.
Northern Ireland is not the Republic of Ireland. In NORTHERN IRELAND, the vast majority of Protestants are Loyalists, Republicans; Catholics.
It is absolutely dishonest to change goalposts like that. I wrote that almost all IRA men are Catholic, you wrote that a lot of republicans are protestant in the Republic. So what? Most IRA men are Catholic, and in the North, almost all Protestants are Loyalist. The DUP get the protestant vote, and Sinn Fein the Catholic one. The head of the DUP was a minister, named Ian Paisley, who is widely recognized to have affiliations with the UDA, and the head of Sinn Fein was a Catholic by the name of Gerry Adams who is an ex IRA member.
Communities are still to this day, heavily segregated. You find me a Catholic living peacefully on the Shankill Road, a Protestant area, and I'll find you a live Elvis.
It's not enough to quote me from books little lines about the prevalence of Protestant Nationalists living in the Republic and think I'm daft enough not to see the shift in context. Come have a look, see.
The membership of the IRA, including dogsbodys, runners and affiliates is well into the thousands. That little bunch of clandestine cells reproached the British Army for decades, trained Mujahideen and traded and dealt arms and drugs with some of the most dangerous mafia and gangs in the world.
They were a highly trained, organized paramilitary organization that were a real, genuine threat to the police, the Army and anyone else they targeted.
Much of the reason for that is because many rich Americans with Irish Catholic backgrounds liked to put millions into their coffers every year.
By affiliation, the IRA is one of the biggest criminal organizations of the last century, easily; almost entirely made up of Catholic Republicans.
You won't find a Catholic in the UDA or the UVF for similar reasons like you wont find a Protestant in the IRA; the link between religion and political opinion is so strong in Northern Ireland that there is rarely a distinction made. In effect, Protestant is by proxy Loyalist, Catholic; Republican.
It is absolutely dishonest to change goalposts like that. I wrote that almost all IRA men are Catholic, you wrote that a lot of republicans are protestant in the Republic. So what? Most IRA men are Catholic, and in the North, almost all Protestants are Loyalist. The DUP get the protestant vote, and Sinn Fein the Catholic one. The head of the DUP was a minister, named Ian Paisley, who is widely recognized to have affiliations with the UDA, and the head of Sinn Fein was a Catholic by the name of Gerry Adams who is an ex IRA member.
Communities are still to this day, heavily segregated. You find me a Catholic living peacefully on the Shankill Road, a Protestant area, and I'll find you a live Elvis.
It's not enough to quote me from books little lines about the prevalence of Protestant Nationalists living in the Republic and think I'm daft enough not to see the shift in context. Come have a look, see.
The membership of the IRA, including dogsbodys, runners and affiliates is well into the thousands. That little bunch of clandestine cells reproached the British Army for decades, trained Mujahideen and traded and dealt arms and drugs with some of the most dangerous mafia and gangs in the world.
They were a highly trained, organized paramilitary organization that were a real, genuine threat to the police, the Army and anyone else they targeted.
Much of the reason for that is because many rich Americans with Irish Catholic backgrounds liked to put millions into their coffers every year.
By affiliation, the IRA is one of the biggest criminal organizations of the last century, easily; almost entirely made up of Catholic Republicans.
You won't find a Catholic in the UDA or the UVF for similar reasons like you wont find a Protestant in the IRA; the link between religion and political opinion is so strong in Northern Ireland that there is rarely a distinction made. In effect, Protestant is by proxy Loyalist, Catholic; Republican.
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You're very dense if you can't see the similarities between the denominational feuding and violence of various religions. For a start, it betrays basic ideas of those religions, like peace, nonviolence, benevolence.
There's a very broad point to be made about conflict where religions are someway involved; the religion does not fire the bullets, the people do. The religion does not itself motivate the act of murder; the hatred, disrespect and disgust the killer has towards another human being does.
That's why these conflicts cant be fixed with counterstrike and perpetual tit for tat. There are two ways;
1. Kill every Shia and Sunni (which I feel you might be amicable to, in all honesty).
2. Change people's minds, promote peace through example.
There's a very broad point to be made about conflict where religions are someway involved; the religion does not fire the bullets, the people do. The religion does not itself motivate the act of murder; the hatred, disrespect and disgust the killer has towards another human being does.
That's why these conflicts cant be fixed with counterstrike and perpetual tit for tat. There are two ways;
1. Kill every Shia and Sunni (which I feel you might be amicable to, in all honesty).
2. Change people's minds, promote peace through example.
PAPISTS KILL/MURDER MANY
One might focus on the Crusades & the Inquisition, though the below doesn't focus exactly there.
Below is a quote from David A. Plaisted
ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER,
2006.
Quoting from Plaisted:
the figure of 50 million killed by the Papacy in Europe. . . . it is best to restrict the computation to massacres listed, for example, by Brownlee and others.
The time period for the figure of 45 million has now been reasonably established, but not the place. For this, Burton [Burton, Robert, Martyrs in flames: or, the history of Popery, Bettesworth and Batley, London, 1729] lists in the table of contents the following persecutions:
Piedmont, France, Orange, Bohemia, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Flanders, Scotland, Ireland, and England.
This seems to be the most exhaustive list of persecutions of any of the sources examined, indicating the areas in which the principal persecutions took place.
In fact, Buck [Buck, Charles, A Theological Dictionary, containing Definitions of All Religious Terms; ..., Philadelphia, Thomas Cowperthwait & Co., 1838, article Persecution ] writes, speaking of the time after the Protestant Reformation,
The inquisition, which was established in the twelfth century against the Waldenses ... was now more effectually set to work. Terrible persecutions were carried on in various parts of Germany, and even in Bohemia, which continued about thirty years, and the blood of the saints was said to flow like rivers of water. The countries of Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary, were in a similar manner deluged with Protestant blood [p. 333].
This suggests that the principal areas of persecution included Germany, Bohemia, Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary. Also, Bennet [Bennet, Benjamin, Several discourses against popery, Lawrence and Midwinter, London, 1714, p. 457] writes
Germany, Bohemia, Poland, Lithuania &c. have in their turns been deluged in blood.
Thus the time and place of the major persecutions contributing to the 50 million figure have been determined with reasonable confidence. It remains to estimate numbers killed in each of these persecutions and show that they add up to 50 million. Although it is not yet possible to give a full accounting, one can assign reasonable totals to these persecutions that do add up to 50 million.
A large portion of the figure of 45 million is covered by the thirty years war, the conflict in Bohemia, the civil wars and persecutions in France, and 15 million killed from 1518 to 1548. Now, the thirty years war lasted from 1618 to 1648 and estimates for those killed in this conflict range up to 14 million.
The thirty years war started when Ferdinand II (1578-1648) tried to suppress Protestantism in the Holy Roman Empire. As for where Ferdinand II got his motivation, Emperor Ferdinand II, of the House of Hapsburg, had been educated by the Jesuits; and with their help undertook to suppress Protestantism. (Halley, p. 792) The sons and daughters of the rich and noble they [the Jesuits] sought by every means to bring under their influence, and they were soon the favorite confessors in the imperial court and in many of the royal courts of Europe. . It was their policy to instill into their minds [the rich and the noble] an undying hatred of every form of opposition to the Catholic faith. When they had once molded a ruler to their will and made him the subservient instrument of their policy, they were ever at his side dictating to him the measures to be employed for the eradication of heresy and the complete reformation of his realm according to the Jesuit ideal, and they were ever ready, with full papal authority, to conduct inquisitorial work. [Newman, pp. 374-375]
Lindsay [A History of the Reformation, Charles Scribner s Sons, New York, 1922, pp. 607-608] writes,
Many Romanist Princes had no wish to persecute, still less to see their provinces depopulated by banishment. Toleration of Protestants they [the Jesuits] represented to be the unpardonable sin. They succeeded in many cases in inducing Romanist rulers to withdraw the protection they had hitherto accorded to their Protestant subjects . The League was the symbol in France of this Counter-Reformation. they [the Jesuits] were the restless and ruthless organizers of the Holy League.
Clarke [Clarke, Samuel, A looking-glass for persecutors, London, Printed for W. Miller, 1674, p. 52] writes,
The emperor Ferdinand the second, was a great Persecutor of the Protestants in Bohemia and Germany, who after his victory over Frederick, Prince Palatine, and the Bohemian States, made it his work to root out the Protestant Religion in those Countries, and turned them into a very shambles of Blood, sparing neither Age, Sex, nor Rank that refused to abjure the Truth. But while he was in his full Career, God brought in against him a contemptible people [the Swedes] under whose swords most of those bloody wretches fell; who were the Bohemian scourges, so that much of Germany, and of the Emperors Country was a very Aceldama, a Field of Blood.
A high estimate for the Thirty Years War is that the population of Germany was reduced from 20 million to 7 million, implying 13 million killed [Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII]; actually the population should have increased by about 3 million during this time, so we can estimate 16 million killed. Ploetz [Epitome of Ancient, Medieval, and Modern History, 1884, p. 312] writes of the Terrible ravages committed by the bands of Wallenstein in Germany in 1632 in Saxony. Also, in 1648, Ploetz [p. 315] writes
Terrible condition of Germany. Irreparable losses of men and wealth. Reduction of population; increase of poverty; retrogradation in all ranks.
The war extended to other areas of Europe, and there was also a tremendous population loss there, so it would not be unreasonable to estimate 18 million killed altogether. In fact, one edition of Halley s Bible Handbook states that estimates for this war reach as high as 20 million:
One might focus on the Crusades & the Inquisition, though the below doesn't focus exactly there.
Below is a quote from David A. Plaisted
ESTIMATES OF THE NUMBER KILLED BY THE PAPACY IN THE MIDDLE AGES AND LATER,
2006.
Quoting from Plaisted:
the figure of 50 million killed by the Papacy in Europe. . . . it is best to restrict the computation to massacres listed, for example, by Brownlee and others.
The time period for the figure of 45 million has now been reasonably established, but not the place. For this, Burton [Burton, Robert, Martyrs in flames: or, the history of Popery, Bettesworth and Batley, London, 1729] lists in the table of contents the following persecutions:
Piedmont, France, Orange, Bohemia, Germany, Poland, Lithuania, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Flanders, Scotland, Ireland, and England.
This seems to be the most exhaustive list of persecutions of any of the sources examined, indicating the areas in which the principal persecutions took place.
In fact, Buck [Buck, Charles, A Theological Dictionary, containing Definitions of All Religious Terms; ..., Philadelphia, Thomas Cowperthwait & Co., 1838, article Persecution ] writes, speaking of the time after the Protestant Reformation,
The inquisition, which was established in the twelfth century against the Waldenses ... was now more effectually set to work. Terrible persecutions were carried on in various parts of Germany, and even in Bohemia, which continued about thirty years, and the blood of the saints was said to flow like rivers of water. The countries of Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary, were in a similar manner deluged with Protestant blood [p. 333].
This suggests that the principal areas of persecution included Germany, Bohemia, Poland, Lithuania, and Hungary. Also, Bennet [Bennet, Benjamin, Several discourses against popery, Lawrence and Midwinter, London, 1714, p. 457] writes
Germany, Bohemia, Poland, Lithuania &c. have in their turns been deluged in blood.
Thus the time and place of the major persecutions contributing to the 50 million figure have been determined with reasonable confidence. It remains to estimate numbers killed in each of these persecutions and show that they add up to 50 million. Although it is not yet possible to give a full accounting, one can assign reasonable totals to these persecutions that do add up to 50 million.
A large portion of the figure of 45 million is covered by the thirty years war, the conflict in Bohemia, the civil wars and persecutions in France, and 15 million killed from 1518 to 1548. Now, the thirty years war lasted from 1618 to 1648 and estimates for those killed in this conflict range up to 14 million.
The thirty years war started when Ferdinand II (1578-1648) tried to suppress Protestantism in the Holy Roman Empire. As for where Ferdinand II got his motivation, Emperor Ferdinand II, of the House of Hapsburg, had been educated by the Jesuits; and with their help undertook to suppress Protestantism. (Halley, p. 792) The sons and daughters of the rich and noble they [the Jesuits] sought by every means to bring under their influence, and they were soon the favorite confessors in the imperial court and in many of the royal courts of Europe. . It was their policy to instill into their minds [the rich and the noble] an undying hatred of every form of opposition to the Catholic faith. When they had once molded a ruler to their will and made him the subservient instrument of their policy, they were ever at his side dictating to him the measures to be employed for the eradication of heresy and the complete reformation of his realm according to the Jesuit ideal, and they were ever ready, with full papal authority, to conduct inquisitorial work. [Newman, pp. 374-375]
Lindsay [A History of the Reformation, Charles Scribner s Sons, New York, 1922, pp. 607-608] writes,
Many Romanist Princes had no wish to persecute, still less to see their provinces depopulated by banishment. Toleration of Protestants they [the Jesuits] represented to be the unpardonable sin. They succeeded in many cases in inducing Romanist rulers to withdraw the protection they had hitherto accorded to their Protestant subjects . The League was the symbol in France of this Counter-Reformation. they [the Jesuits] were the restless and ruthless organizers of the Holy League.
Clarke [Clarke, Samuel, A looking-glass for persecutors, London, Printed for W. Miller, 1674, p. 52] writes,
The emperor Ferdinand the second, was a great Persecutor of the Protestants in Bohemia and Germany, who after his victory over Frederick, Prince Palatine, and the Bohemian States, made it his work to root out the Protestant Religion in those Countries, and turned them into a very shambles of Blood, sparing neither Age, Sex, nor Rank that refused to abjure the Truth. But while he was in his full Career, God brought in against him a contemptible people [the Swedes] under whose swords most of those bloody wretches fell; who were the Bohemian scourges, so that much of Germany, and of the Emperors Country was a very Aceldama, a Field of Blood.
A high estimate for the Thirty Years War is that the population of Germany was reduced from 20 million to 7 million, implying 13 million killed [Cushing B. Hassell, History of the Church of God, Chapter XVII]; actually the population should have increased by about 3 million during this time, so we can estimate 16 million killed. Ploetz [Epitome of Ancient, Medieval, and Modern History, 1884, p. 312] writes of the Terrible ravages committed by the bands of Wallenstein in Germany in 1632 in Saxony. Also, in 1648, Ploetz [p. 315] writes
Terrible condition of Germany. Irreparable losses of men and wealth. Reduction of population; increase of poverty; retrogradation in all ranks.
The war extended to other areas of Europe, and there was also a tremendous population loss there, so it would not be unreasonable to estimate 18 million killed altogether. In fact, one edition of Halley s Bible Handbook states that estimates for this war reach as high as 20 million:
PAPISTS KILLED/MURDERED MANY
A poor bloke was walking down the street in Belfast one day, minding his own business, when a stranger approached him with a mask on & a .45 in his hand. He pointed the .45 at the bloke & said:
"Are you a protestant or a catholic?"
The bloke thought for a moment, then replied: "I'm Jewish."
The gunman responded, "Ah, but are you a protestant Jew or a catholic Jew?"
A poor bloke was walking down the street in Belfast one day, minding his own business, when a stranger approached him with a mask on & a .45 in his hand. He pointed the .45 at the bloke & said:
"Are you a protestant or a catholic?"
The bloke thought for a moment, then replied: "I'm Jewish."
The gunman responded, "Ah, but are you a protestant Jew or a catholic Jew?"
Do you know what the #3 reason I can not wait to get to heaven is? (#1.Our Heavenly Father #2.Jesus Christ)..#3 is we will all truly be one church..no more Catholics, Lutherans, baptists..etc..just one bride...
K
Yes I would state that to, that they are Christians as well.
But until I got involved in a Catholic church for 5 years I found out that some divisions of Catholics do not claim to be Christians. They say there is a difference do to the sacraments they observe.
Christians should take place in some of those sacraments to, like communion for instance.
Jesus says that those who take communion have eternal life.
On here though I have found it the opposite, Catholics attacking the rest of us saying if we do not leave our denominations and join the Catholic church we are condemned.
A
Don't change the subject. I know the world is NOT aflame with violence, war, and rape between Protestant and Catholics. That's what you've been falsely asserting not that there are esoteric similarities and we should discuss how to normalize them which is a different discussion.
If you want to talk about something related by yet different, such as this, that's fine but you haven't fooled anyone but yourself by making ridiculous ostentious false assertions with respect to the other. The world is NOT aflame with violence, war, and rape between Protestant and Catholics.
Try looking for Mr. Dense here: http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/52000698/images/12832.jpg I'm sure that's where you'll find him.
If you want to talk about something related by yet different, such as this, that's fine but you haven't fooled anyone but yourself by making ridiculous ostentious false assertions with respect to the other. The world is NOT aflame with violence, war, and rape between Protestant and Catholics.
Try looking for Mr. Dense here: http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/52000698/images/12832.jpg I'm sure that's where you'll find him.
