Temple Mount comes on hot and heavy

[tourist]

IMHO, I don't have much longer on this Earth, but I think that I will live to see the Mosque removed in my lifetime.

The Temple Mount Mosque must be removed as this is the exact spot where the new Temple of Jerusalem will be rebuilt. This is a matter of biblical prophesy. Until this happens Jesus will not return in the clouds. Even if this temple was built today the time of His return would still be unknown as Jesus himself does not know the exact time that He is going to return as only the Father in heaven knows this. However, in the bible it does refer to knowing the season of His return by learning and observing the parable of the fig tree. This refers to Israel as it relates to prophesy.

It is obvious and evident to me that mankind is now in the season of the Second Coming of Christ. I believe that the Mosque may indeed be removed in this current generation and the Temple being rebuilt. The Red Heifer already exists and that is another proponent of this prophesy being fulfilled. It is all coming together rapidly. The time is now.

 

[Bride]

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are members of Christ? shall I then take away the members of Christ, and make them members of a harlot? God forbid.
1Co 6:16 Or know ye not that he that is joined to a harlot is one body? for, The twain, saith he, shall become one flesh.
1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1Co 6:19 Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;
1Co 6:20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body.

1Co 6:19 has nothing to do with the construction of a new temple. It will be built again.

I live in Jerusalem. I'm personally familiar with that apostacy of a physical temple construction. It is corruption of the highest order and has no place in the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Those verses you quoted witness. You want to add to that with your own personal futuristic prophecies, just remember the bad jujus on false prophets before making such unscriptural claims.

I am a Jewess delivered from those lies by the Coming of the Messiah. Amongst other things, I've been delivered from the myth that anything done in this land is of any god. Only what Jesus builds is what I'm interested. And that is the Eternal Temple of the Living God, which is the Temple of our Bodies. Not some blasphemous monument built in this disgusting city.
With Love!

The Temple is Eternal. God has been building it for 2000 years now.
(Eph 2:20)
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
(Eph 2:21)
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
(Eph 2:22)

In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.





(1Pe 2:5)
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.




(1Pe 2:6)
Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.




(1Pe 2:7)
Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,




(1Pe 2:8)
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Do you stumble at this stone? If you think the Temple is something other than this Building founded and built on Jesus, you got a dose of bad poison my friend.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Sorry but there is NOT ONE place in the NT that any of the disciples or Jesus EVER say there will be a third temple built by human hands. John being one of the disciples with Jesus and knowing Jesus prophecy about the destruction of both Jerusalem and the temple NEVER once mentions that is a PAST fact. The temple that John sees is the temple of his day,not some future rebuilt temple.

The temple in Ezekiel 43 will never be built as it was suppose to be built from their return from the Babylonian exile.

Ezekiel 43

[SUP]10 [/SUP]“Son of man, describe the temple to the people of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their sins. Let them consider its perfection, [SUP]11 [/SUP]and if they are ashamed of all they have done, make known to them the design of the temple—its arrangement, its exits and entrances—its whole design and all its regulations[SUP][d][/SUP] and laws. Write these down before them so that they may be faithful to its design and follow all its regulations.

Wrong the temple mentioned in Ezekiel 40 is the one that exists during the Lords millennial reign on earth.
If it will never be built, then God would not have told Ezekiel it would and instructed him to tell others of what it would look like and be ashamed for them not keeping the perfection required of them. That would mean God lied, which He does not.

The temple that John sees in the vision given in Revelation was not the temple of his day, because it shows the two witnesses standing in front of it. This event does not happen tell the tribulation period which has not taken place yet.

 

[SarahM777]

Wrong the temple mentioned in Ezekiel 40 is the one that exists during the Lords millennial reign on earth.
If it will never be built, then God would not have told Ezekiel it would and instructed him to tell others of what it would look like and be ashamed for them not keeping the perfection required of them. That would mean God lied, which He does not.

The temple that John sees in the vision given in Revelation was not the temple of his day, because it shows the two witnesses standing in front of it. This event does not happen tell the tribulation period which has not taken place yet.

You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER. A people's UNFAITHFULNESS to do what He tells them to do NEVER makes God out to be a liar when it is NOT DONE. This was to be the SECOND temple. This was the temple they were to build at that time,not the temple they actually built.

There is not once place in Revelation that shows it is a REBUILT temple. John had seen the temple of his day many times,he was at the very temple when Jesus says that not one stone would be left upon another. Yet not ONCE does John mention that the temple he had seen with his own eyes was now gone. It is the very same temple he had seen time and time again since he was a young boy. John is not seeing a rebuilt temple. That is being read into the text that it is a rebuilt temple. It is NOT in the text.

 

[Atwood]

You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER.

What is your proof of that one?

 

[Atwood]

You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER

Ezek 21:

"Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Because ye have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are uncovered, so that in all your doings your sins do appear; because that ye are come to remembrance, ye shall be taken with the hand. 25 And thou, O deadly wounded wicked one, the prince of Israel, whose day is come, in the time of the iniquity of the end, 26 thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this shall be no more the same; exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high. 27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him."

Rev 13

And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

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11 For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the watercourses, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14 I will feed them with good pasture; and upon the mountains of the height of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie down in a good fold; and on fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel. 15 I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord Jehovah. 16 I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.

 

[SarahM777]

What is your proof of that one?

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Ezekiel 40

40 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the city—on that very day the hand of the Lord was on me and he took me there. [SUP]2 [/SUP]In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city. [SUP]3 [/SUP]He took me there, and I saw a man whose appearance was like bronze; he was standing in the gateway with a linen cord and a measuring rod in his hand. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The man said to me, “Son of man, look carefully and listen closely and pay attention to everything I am going to show you, for that is why you have been brought here. Tell the people of Israel everything you see.”

 

[SarahM777]

Wrong the temple mentioned in Ezekiel 40 is the one that exists during the Lords millennial reign on earth.
If it will never be built, then God would not have told Ezekiel it would and instructed him to tell others of what it would look like and be ashamed for them not keeping the perfection required of them. That would mean God lied, which He does not.

The temple that John sees in the vision given in Revelation was not the temple of his day, because it shows the two witnesses standing in front of it. This event does not happen tell the tribulation period which has not taken place yet.

Josephus records this during the Jewish Roman wars

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian, and an husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity , came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say anything for himself, or anything peculiar to those that chastised him, but still he went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator- where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet did he not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was , "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for, as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last - "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately: and as he was uttering the very same presages, he gave up the ghost.

 

[kennethcadwell]

You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER. A people's UNFAITHFULNESS to do what He tells them to do NEVER makes God out to be a liar when it is NOT DONE. This was to be the SECOND temple. This was the temple they were to build at that time,not the temple they actually built.

There is not once place in Revelation that shows it is a REBUILT temple. John had seen the temple of his day many times,he was at the very temple when Jesus says that not one stone would be left upon another. Yet not ONCE does John mention that the temple he had seen with his own eyes was now gone. It is the very same temple he had seen time and time again since he was a young boy. John is not seeing a rebuilt temple. That is being read into the text that it is a rebuilt temple. It is NOT in the text.

This temple in Ezekiel was not to be built back then, and does not match either the first or second temples that were built.
The dimensions are completely different then those two, and in this vision God told Ezekiel of a temple that would be built.

Now if God says it would be built, and it is not done then yes that would make God a liar, which He is not.
If God says something will be done, it will be done.

 

[SarahM777]

This temple in Ezekiel was not to be built back then, and does not match either the first or second temples that were built.
The dimensions are completely different then those two, and in this vision God told Ezekiel of a temple that would be built.

Now if God says it would be built, and it is not done then yes that would make God a liar, which He is not.
If God says something will be done, it will be done.

If God tells YOU to do something and YOU do not do it does that make God out to be a liar? Or does that make you UNFAITHFUL?

 

[Atwood]

Red-Font-Sarah claimed: "You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER."




Atwood asked, "What is your proof of that one?"

Ezekiel 40

40 In the twenty-fifth year of our exile, at the beginning of the year, on the tenth of the month, in the fourteenth year after the fall of the city—on that very day the hand of the Lord was on me and he took me there. [SUP]2 [/SUP]In visions of God he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain, on whose south side were some buildings that looked like a city. [SUP]3 [/SUP]He took me there, and I saw a man whose appearance was like bronze; he was standing in the gateway with a linen cord and a measuring rod in his hand. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The man said to me, “Son of man, look carefully and listen closely and pay attention to everything I am going to show you, for that is why you have been brought here. Tell the people of Israel everything you see.”

The issue is not whether Ezekiel spoke to people in his day, the issue is did he speak also to persons 2,500 years later?

Now what is your proof that Ezekiel does not speak to us?
What is your proof that Ezekiel did not predict the future?

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36 Then the nations that are left round about you shall know that I, Jehovah, have builded the ruined places, and planted that which was desolate: I, Jehovah, have spoken it, and I will do it.


14 And I will put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land: and ye shall know that I, Jehovah, have spoken it and performed it, saith Jehovah.

 

[Atwood]

Ezekiel addressed the future:

43:1 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east. 2 And, behold,
the glory of the God of Israel came
from the way of the east:
and his voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shined with his glory. 3 And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city; and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face. 4 And
the glory of YHWH came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east. 5 And the Spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold,
the glory of Jehovah filled the house.


6 And I heard one speaking unto me out of the house; and a man stood by me. 7 And he said unto me, Son of man, this is the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever. And the house of Israel shall no more defile my holy name, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoredom . . .


44:1 Then he brought me back by the way of the outer gate of the sanctuary, which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. 2 And Jehovah said unto me, This gate shall be shut; it shall not be opened, neither shall any man enter in by it; for YHWH, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it; therefore it shall be shut. 3 As for the prince, he shall sit therein as prince to eat bread before Jehovah; he shall enter by the way of the porch of the gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
. . .

47:1 And he brought me back unto the door of the house; and, behold,
waters issued out
from under the threshold of the house eastward; (for the forefront of the house was toward the east); and the waters came down from under, from the right side of the house, on the south of the altar. 2 Then he brought me out by the way of the gate northward, and led me round by the way without unto the outer gate, by the way of the gate that looketh toward the east; and, behold,
there ran out waters on the right side.


3 When the man went forth eastward with the line in his hand, he measured a thousand cubits, and he caused me to pass through the waters,
waters that were to the ankles.
4 Again he measured a thousand, and caused me to pass through the waters,
waters that were to the knees.
Again he measured a thousand, and caused me to pass through the waters,
waters that were to the loins.
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was
a river that I could not pass through; for
the waters were risen, waters to swim in,
a river that could not be passed through.

[Does anyone other than me feel goose bumpy on reading about these waters & want to shout, Hallelujah!?

6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the bank of the river. 7 Now when I had returned, behold, upon the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other. 8 Then said he unto me,
These waters issue forth toward the eastern region, and shall go down into the Arabah; and they shall go toward the sea; into the sea shall the waters go which were made to issue forth; and the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every living creature which swarmeth, in every place whither the rivers come, shall live; and there shall be a very great multitude of fish; for
these waters are come thither,
and the waters of the sea shall be healed, and everything shall live whithersoever the river cometh. 10 And it shall come to pass, that fishers shall stand by it: from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim shall be a place for the spreading of nets; their fish shall be after their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

 

[SarahM777]

Red-Font-Sarah claimed: "You do understand that Ezekiel was told to go to a group of people in his day. Ezekiel is NOT SPEAKING to someone 2,500 years LATER."




Atwood asked, "What is your proof of that one?"



The issue is not whether Ezekiel spoke to people in his day, the issue is did he speak also to persons 2,500 years later?

Now what is your proof that Ezekiel does not speak to us?
What is your proof that Ezekiel did not predict the future?

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36 Then the nations that are left round about you shall know that I, Jehovah, have builded the ruined places, and planted that which was desolate: I, Jehovah, have spoken it, and I will do it.


14 And I will put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I will place you in your own land: and ye shall know that I, Jehovah, have spoken it and performed it, saith Jehovah.

So when God told Noah to build an ark,did God mean for you to build an ark? When God told Abraham to sacrifice Issac does that mean you are to sacrifice your son or daughter?

 

[David_1]

The whole revelations thing is going to be awkward after the 4th or 5th temple is built.

I think we need to keep in mind the spiritual truth of God who is spirit is more important than literal events.

Besides, is this going to be a Jewish temple or a Christian church?

Because salvation is through Christ alone.

 

[TheAristocat]

Ezekiel 40 gives another temple to be built, and in Revelation 11 shows another temple that will exist during the tribulation period and shows the two witnesses standing in front of it while they prophesy for 1,260 days.

Interesting point. It doesn't make the connection explicitly, but I think you have a good argument. You can also find the third (that is, this additional one built some time in the future) temple mentioned in Daniel. But not explicitly. From a secular point of view, there's a good chance that the temple will be rebuilt. And from a religious point of view I'd say it's going to be rebuilt.

There are a few different temples talked about in the Bible. There's the temple of our bodies. We are home to the Holy Spirit. God dwells within us. So, yes, we are a temple of sorts. But we're not the physical temple that was built by Solomon or the one completed by Herod. One was not subsumed by the other. I'm sure if there were a dig you could still find the stones of the previous temples, neither of which is a Christian's body. Therefore any illustration of our bodies as a temple must be rhetoric - even if it represents a spiritual reality or some measure of truth. Another temple whose mention is made explicit can be found in Revelation, and it is a temple in heaven. So we have: a physical temple on earth, the physical and rhetorical temple of our bodies, and a temple in heaven.

I believe a third temple will be rebuilt. Some do not. But we'll find out soon enough.

 

[crossnote]

The temple Mount is not just about Israel's ambitions...

'Temple Mount violence endangers the lives of Jews everywhere'

"There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world who can be riled just by hearing that Jews are penetrating the Aksa Mosque, even if such reports are false", he said.

 

[SarahM777]

Interesting point. It doesn't make the connection explicitly, but I think you have a good argument. You can also find the third (that is, this additional one built some time in the future) temple mentioned in Daniel. But not explicitly. From a secular point of view, there's a good chance that the temple will be rebuilt. And from a religious point of view I'd say it's going to be rebuilt.

There are a few different temples talked about in the Bible. There's the temple of our bodies. We are home to the Holy Spirit. God dwells within us. So, yes, we are a temple of sorts. But we're not the physical temple that was built by Solomon or the one completed by Herod. One was not subsumed by the other. I'm sure if there were a dig you could still find the stones of the previous temples, neither of which is a Christian's body. Therefore any illustration of our bodies as a temple must be rhetoric - even if it represents a spiritual reality or some measure of truth. Another temple whose mention is made explicit can be found in Revelation, and it is a temple in heaven. So we have: a physical temple on earth, the physical and rhetorical temple of our bodies, and a temple in heaven.

I believe a third temple will be rebuilt. Some do not. But we'll find out soon enough.

You are aware that NEITHER Daniel nor Ezekiel mention a second temple being built,destroyed and then the temple is rebuilt AGAIN. Both were written WHILE they were in Babylon,BEFORE the second temple was even built. So where is the second AND third temples in either one? You can't use EITHER one to PROVE a third temple,when neither show the temple BEING destroyed and rebuilt again in the first place.

 

[crossnote]

Har Nof massacre opens door to clean out Temple Mount?
(Some graphic photos)

Blog: Batya Medad , Har Nof Massacre Opens Door to Clean Out Temple Mount - Arutz Sheva

 

[kennethcadwell]

Interesting point. It doesn't make the connection explicitly, but I think you have a good argument. You can also find the third (that is, this additional one built some time in the future) temple mentioned in Daniel. But not explicitly. From a secular point of view, there's a good chance that the temple will be rebuilt. And from a religious point of view I'd say it's going to be rebuilt.

There are a few different temples talked about in the Bible. There's the temple of our bodies. We are home to the Holy Spirit. God dwells within us. So, yes, we are a temple of sorts. But we're not the physical temple that was built by Solomon or the one completed by Herod. One was not subsumed by the other. I'm sure if there were a dig you could still find the stones of the previous temples, neither of which is a Christian's body. Therefore any illustration of our bodies as a temple must be rhetoric - even if it represents a spiritual reality or some measure of truth. Another temple whose mention is made explicit can be found in Revelation, and it is a temple in heaven. So we have: a physical temple on earth, the physical and rhetorical temple of our bodies, and a temple in heaven.

I believe a third temple will be rebuilt. Some do not. But we'll find out soon enough.

Exactly, and the problem that people have with a third or even possibly a fourth temple that I have now being talked about in biblical studies is that they only look at it from the Christian view point. We are now the temple, and therefore a physical building temple would be against the Lord.
However if you look at it from the Jewish aspect where a lot of Jews do not accept Jesus as Lord and Savior still. They do want a temple rebuilt, and are pushing for it to be done. When you compare this to bible prophecy ( scriptures ) then you will see how Ezekiel and the vision given to John in Revelation match. The Lord would not have shown John a vision of the two witnesses standing in front of the temple if no temple exists.

 

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