Keystone passes Senate

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Senate approves Keystone pipeline bill, in face of White House veto threat

WASHINGTON – The Senate passed legislation Thursday approving the Keystone XL oil pipeline, setting up a looming veto showdown with the White House.

The legislation passed on a 62-36 vote, after lawmakers spent weeks considering amendments. The House passed a similar bill earlier this month, though there are slight differences that have to be ironed out before the bill can go to President Obama's desk.
That's only five votes short of an override majority. This could get interesting. McConnell better be good at wheeling and dealing.
 

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Good, let him veto it...............Good!

Let the Unions who will lose thousands of jobs lose them..............maybe, just maybe THEY will wake up, but I doubt it......

If they try to override his veto, the Dems who voted Yes today won't support the override. For them, this is all about positioning themselves for 2016.
 
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Just in time for the oil market crash.
 
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That's only five votes short of an override majority. This could get interesting. McConnell better be good at wheeling and dealing.
It's a nearsighted project. The 8 billion it costs and the few thousand jobs it will create simply aren't as economically cost effective as pursuing greener forms of energy such as wind-turbine, solar or dam produced electricity and electrolysis produced hydrogen for cars. A small space in the uninhabited parts of the Californian deserts filled with solar panels would be enough to fuel the entire United States with electricity, would create thousands of construction and maintenance jobs as well as engineering jobs and such. As for the hydrogen, electrolysis stations could produce the hydrogen without any negative effect on the health of the planet by using the solar electricity, and the hydrogen burns in hydrogen engines without any harmful by-products.

The building of the pumps and manning of the stations for the hydrogen would also create thousand of jobs, as well as the manufacture of the hydrogen cars, the salesmen, the mechanics, etc etc etc.

The cost to initiate the program would be greater than that of the pipeline, but the jobs created and the long term effect on both the economy and the planet would be well worth the investment. Energy companies who fund the projects would never need to worry about ''running out of oil'' -- sunlight doesn't run out (at least not any time in the next billion years).

It makes more sense in the long term.
 

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It's a nearsighted project. The 8 billion it costs and the few thousand jobs it will create simply aren't as economically cost effective as pursuing greener forms of energy such as wind-turbine, solar or dam produced electricity and electrolysis produced hydrogen for cars. A small space in the uninhabited parts of the Californian deserts filled with solar panels would be enough to fuel the entire United States with electricity, would create thousands of construction and maintenance jobs as well as engineering jobs and such. As for the hydrogen, electrolysis stations could produce the hydrogen without any negative effect on the health of the planet by using the solar electricity, and the hydrogen burns in hydrogen engines without any harmful by-products.

The building of the pumps and manning of the stations for the hydrogen would also create thousand of jobs, as well as the manufacture of the hydrogen cars, the salesmen, the mechanics, etc etc etc.

The cost to initiate the program would be greater than that of the pipeline, but the jobs created and the long term effect on both the economy and the planet would be well worth the investment. Energy companies who fund the projects would never need to worry about ''running out of oil'' -- sunlight doesn't run out (at least not any time in the next billion years).

It makes more sense in the long term.
How funny...........and completely wrong............sigh............like they ain't been trying this for years.............AND you guys NEVER want to address what you are going to do with the highly toxic batteries used to store the solar energy created......

How funny...............goodness

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And you guys NEVER compare the JOBS that will be LOST to the jobs you project will be CREATED.............goodness
 

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Just in time for the oil market crash.
they know Obama will Veto it, and they know they don't have the votes..............HOWEVER...........at least this is one promise they made during their campaigns that they have actually fulfilled.............so, good for them..........

I know Texas is hurting with the falling gas prices, but that can be rectified...........well, in my opinion anyway
 
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How funny...........and completely wrong............sigh............like they ain't been trying this for years.............AND you guys NEVER want to address what you are going to do with the highly toxic batteries used to store the solar energy created......

How funny...............goodness

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And you guys NEVER compare the JOBS that will be LOST to the jobs you project will be CREATED.............goodness
Land Art Generator Initiative -- global solar panel space required to fuel the entire world at higher population than present.

Most batteries, nomatter what their ingredients, are toxic. Solar panels' batteries contain cadmium, which is a toxic metal. Car batteries contain lead, which is toxic. The same thing would happen, I imagine with solar batteries, as with any battery, the best form of disposal is to recycle the cadmium, just as lead batteries can be recycled to be used on solar panels.
 

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Land Art Generator Initiative -- global solar panel space required to fuel the entire world at higher population than present.

Most batteries, nomatter what their ingredients, are toxic. Solar panels' batteries contain cadmium, which is a toxic metal. Car batteries contain lead, which is toxic. The same thing would happen, I imagine with solar batteries, as with any battery, the best form of disposal is to recycle the cadmium, just as lead batteries can be recycled to be used on solar panels.
So why ain't it working? There are quite a few areas where solar panels are already in place in the South West, and in California......................so why ain't it working now?

Wonder if they are the same scientists who gave us man made global warming?

Hey, believe me................IF this were TRUE.........I got no problem with it............but as I read, it isn't the "be all" to "end all" they are touting it to be.

I fully agree with the "all of the above" approach to resolving the energy situation, so good luck to 'em, but I bet it won't work............and there is the loss of jobs that have to be off-set with the creation of jobs.............and there is the environmental impact to wildlife, especially birds and other migrating species to consider..............'cause I assure you, those on the far left will..........
 

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Excerpt from Article:

According to a graduate thesis by Technical University of Braunschweig student Nadine May, the number of solar panels needed to supply the entire world’s energy needs would fill just 25,000 square miles – or an area only slightly larger than the state of West Virginia.

Found Here:

[h=3]How many solar panels would it take to power Earth ...[/h]

A lot to take into consideration...............before jumping aboard this ship me thinks...........
 
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So why ain't it working? There are quite a few areas where solar panels are already in place in the South West, and in California......................so why ain't it working now?

Wonder if they are the same scientists who gave us man made global warming?
Because oil companies would lose out. Solar panels work, they just don't need oil to function.

Hey, believe me................IF this were TRUE.........I got no problem with it............but as I read, it isn't the "be all" to "end all" they are touting it to be.
Well, I think it's a better option than burning all the oil. Eventuall it's gonna run out, and when it does, people will wish they'd taken another option. Also, if we do burn it all, the temperature of the Earth would be fierce in desert areas. They'd be completely uninhabitable. Sea levels would rise drastically, land masses would be cut off. The entire Eastern Seaboard would pretty much disappear.

I fully agree with the "all of the above" approach to resolving the energy situation, so good luck to 'em, but I bet it won't work............and there is the loss of jobs that have to be off-set with the creation of jobs.............and there is the environmental impact to wildlife, especially birds and other migrating species to consider..............'cause I assure you, those on the far left will..........
Switching to mass production of clean efficient energies will create far more jobs than it will destroy, and the jobs it creates will be in similar fields to the ones it destroys -- engineering, manufacture, maintenance, mechanics, sales, business.
 

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this is mainly opinion..............sorry............but, now, hey, everyone is entitled..............so no worries there...........but, believe me..........SOULD this dream of yours come true............wanna know who the liberals are gonna hate then?

BIG SOLAR!

:)

oops. forgot to say............eventually the sun's gonna run out too...............
 
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this is mainly opinion..............sorry............but, now, hey, everyone is entitled..............so no worries there...........but, believe me..........SOULD this dream of yours come true............wanna know who the liberals are gonna hate then?

BIG SOLAR!

:)

oops. forgot to say............eventually the sun's gonna run out too...............
Oil has about 70 years left. The sun has billions.

As for ''big solar'', it is a much more agreeable form of monopolization than ''big oil'', since is does little damage to the environment, creates cheap energy, is renewable and sustainable and has little potential for massive rises in price like oil does, because it requires no import or export -- every country can be self-sustaining by solar means.
 
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Oil has about 70 years left. The sun has billions.

As for ''big solar'', it is a much more agreeable form of monopolization than ''big oil'', since is does little damage to the environment, creates cheap energy, is renewable and sustainable and has little potential for massive rises in price like oil does, because it requires no import or export -- every country can be self-sustaining by solar means.
Hurt not the oil and the wine......keep both flowing and the industrialized revolution and keep chugging forward.....

I use solar to power my lights, some fans and a few other things....I also generate my own power using high octane gas and Honda generators...totally off the grid and I love it....no power outages here!
 
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Hurt not the oil and the wine......keep both flowing and the industrialized revolution and keep chugging forward.....
Until you suffocate, like Beijing.
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I use solar to power my lights, some fans and a few other things....I also generate my own power using high octane gas and Honda generators...totally off the grid and I love it....no power outages here!
Right, but not everyone wants to do that.
 

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Oil has about 70 years left. The sun has billions.

As for ''big solar'', it is a much more agreeable form of monopolization than ''big oil'', since is does little damage to the environment, creates cheap energy, is renewable and sustainable and has little potential for massive rises in price like oil does, because it requires no import or export -- every country can be self-sustaining by solar means.
Goodness, another untruth.............sigh............just make whatever statement you wish, and worry not about the truth of it.....goodness........as for the solar export thing............you did not study the article I provided didya.........if the entire world goes solar, some small countries will have to import their energy...........
 
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Goodness, another untruth.............sigh............just make whatever statement you wish, and worry not about the truth of it.....goodness........as for the solar export thing............you did not study the article I provided didya.........if the entire world goes solar, some small countries will have to import their energy...........
Sorry, it's less than 70. It's 53, according to BP oil., and 90 years of hydrocarbon fuel in total.

How Many Years Of Oil Do We Have Left To Run Our Industrial Civilization, Keeping In Mind That Oil Is A Resource And Has An Economical End? - Forbes
 
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Goodness, another untruth.............sigh............just make whatever statement you wish, and worry not about the truth of it.....goodness........as for the solar export thing............you did not study the article I provided didya.........if the entire world goes solar, some small countries will have to import their energy...........
Still be a lot cheaper than oil!