Donald Trump: No citizenship for illegal migrants' babies

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Galahad

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The federal govt is ignoring the law concerning immigration. If they weren't doing that, then your point would have some merit...but as it is now...it's a free for all. Come one come all... with your tb and dirty bombs.
Sirk, that is true.
 
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Galahad

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Terrible immigration policy, but not one unexpected. Lol though the fact he even wants to raise visa fees to build his vain wall is somewhat surprising and absurd. For raising that fee would hinder many and slow down the lawful immigration process, thereby encouraging more illegal immigration.

The there is the matter of citizenship and law. It is true he can change this law (if elected), but it should be viewed kingly as an attack on our very identity and status and thus the character of America. If you are born free in the land of America, you are by default recognized as an American citizen and king, that is the law of America.
Wasn't slavery the law at one time. I mean, laws are amendable, aren't they? Born free! That's exactly right. For each illegal immigrant mother who births a baby in US, the taxpayers incur a $10,000 bill. Born free. Born free for the illegal mother. Oh, and who pays for the education of these now born free from illegal moms? We do.
 
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Well at least he isn't getting it from Valerie Jarret or bill ayers. You could get better advice from Jerry Springer.
Lol the Jerry Springer allusion reminded me of a little joke between me and some friends. It's basically that if any foreign spy or simple foreign scholar wanted to know what American society is really like they would only need to watch the Jerry Springer Show to uncover basically every secret about America.
 
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Galahad

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Terrible immigration policy, but not one unexpected. Lol though the fact he even wants to raise visa fees to build his vain wall is somewhat surprising and absurd. For raising that fee would hinder many and slow down the lawful immigration process, thereby encouraging more illegal immigration.

The there is the matter of citizenship and law. It is true he can change this law (if elected), but it should be viewed kingly as an attack on our very identity and status and thus the character of America. If you are born free in the land of America, you are by default recognized as an American citizen and king, that is the law of America.
Vain wall. What are you talking about? You are opposed to a walled border. Do you know how illegals cross the border? They walk over. Cut some fence and slip through. Are the walls on our prisons vain? Oh, sure, they can dig under, once in a blue moon, but we'll put an unwalled prison in your backyard. You up to that?

Now if you want open borders, you live with it. You rally for it and pray for it. I won't. I want as much done as possible to keep the flood tide out.

And a high and wide, deep, and far wall is only part of the barrier.

Are you opposed to the walls and fences we have now?

Do you have any barrier to your house?

Perhaps not. Maybe because you live where most folks obey the laws.

But dare you move to a crime ridden area, you'll build a fence or a wall. You will.
 
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Galahad

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Terrible immigration policy, but not one unexpected. Lol though the fact he even wants to raise visa fees to build his vain wall is somewhat surprising and absurd. For raising that fee would hinder many and slow down the lawful immigration process, thereby encouraging more illegal immigration.

The there is the matter of citizenship and law. It is true he can change this law (if elected), but it should be viewed kingly as an attack on our very identity and status and thus the character of America. If you are born free in the land of America, you are by default recognized as an American citizen and king, that is the law of America.
Who gets in first, the illegal immigrant on our southern border, or the folks overseas who are going through legal process? Who gets in first now? The illegal immigrant on our southern border, or the folks in Mexico who are obeying the law and trying to come in legally?
 
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Royalflush, I don't understand what you are saying here. Can you please clarify?

I'll try to put it together:

"Born is born." No. Not so. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. And that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

"Are you saying, you take your mother or fathers nationality." I don't know why you would ask that. But I didn't take their nationality. I did inherit their genes.

"that will work well with so many nationalities." Don't understand. But the only time mixed nationalities work together well, is when they not only speak the same language, but also when the majority of them are united through the gospel of peace, of Jesus Christ.
sorry the history point, is every nationality, that is not a founder of the usa, would be call a incomer or migrate. some how they are call illegal immigrants in a modern world, like the fore fathers who wanted a chance at a better life. but
simply, my point , out side politics is, place of birth, is your nationality. so what do they put on your pass port, if they make a change, usa/ mexico etc
 
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Wasn't slavery the law at one time. I mean, laws are amendable, aren't they? Born free! That's exactly right. For each illegal immigrant mother who births a baby in US, the taxpayers incur a $10,000 bill. Born free. Born free for the illegal mother. Oh, and who pays for the education of these now born free from illegal moms? We do.
Slavery still exists today. Just not in that form. Indeed though, this law can be changed, but it does cut pretty close to rendering the point of US citizenship, law, and cultural identity into non-existence. The children of illegal immigrants are still free born since America recognizes their parents and all men as made equally under God. I believe we should direct the government to take care of our fellow citizens and provide easier ways for their parents to be assimilated as well.

An example of someone that is not freeborn would be like if some guest workers came in on the guest worker program and had a child on US soil. The child would not be a citizen of the US because the guest workers were commissioned to do labor here and then return to their own nations, so therefore the child would belong of the parents' nationality.
 
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Vain wall. What are you talking about? You are opposed to a walled border. Do you know how illegals cross the border? They walk over. Cut some fence and slip through. Are the walls on our prisons vain? Oh, sure, they can dig under, once in a blue moon, but we'll put an unwalled prison in your backyard. You up to that?

Now if you want open borders, you live with it. You rally for it and pray for it. I won't. I want as much done as possible to keep the flood tide out.

And a high and wide, deep, and far wall is only part of the barrier.

Are you opposed to the walls and fences we have now?

Do you have any barrier to your house?

Perhaps not. Maybe because you live where most folks obey the laws.

But dare you move to a crime ridden area, you'll build a fence or a wall. You will.
Yes the wall is vain. The only purpose it serves is to placate the hard right-wing. Other than that it is completely vain and worthless and will not do anything to stop the movement of people that want to move. All ready there are more tunnels from Mexico into America than you might be aware, and there's many more as of yet still unknown. That's even only one way past the wall, they can climb up it, bust through it. Never underestimate a determined man.

Then there is just the realities and costs of building a wall long enough to block off the entire US-Mexico border. Not exactly the smallest stretch or the most suitable terrain at that! It's doable, yes, but there's not much by way of profit in it.
 
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Galahad

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Lol the Jerry Springer allusion reminded me of a little joke between me and some friends. It's basically that if any foreign spy or simple foreign scholar wanted to know what American society is really like they would only need to watch the Jerry Springer Show to uncover basically every secret about America.
Uhm, the reporter knew Trump does not have access to the top military advisers. That's a security privilege for the whackos in office now.

Trump was and is honest. GodofSalvation, where does an outsider of Washington DC get military information? There's no answer that Trump could have given that would have been satisfactory to liberals.

I don't have access to the military intelligence. But I know of people who live along the border who have been shot at by illegals crossing the private property of those Americans.

I don't have access to military intel, but I've seen how illegals have ruined whole neighborhoods by cramming 20 people or more into a single home. They do this in entire neighborhoods.

I've seen entire communities brought to nearly third world standards because of illegal immigration.

So, I say to myself, well. They enter in droves. They cut fences. They slip through. One way to address that is: Bingo! Build a barrier. Build a wall.

Don't you get it? The stuff from Washington is not in our interest. It don't matter. It ain't concrete, down to earth policies.

It's all shifting and gaming playing.
 

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Donald Trump is still 'mooting' his horn? ...yes m
Moot on 2 counts.
1. Courts will throw it out (14th Amendment)
2. Trump will not make it to the presidency.
 
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Galahad

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Yes the wall is vain. The only purpose it serves is to placate the hard right-wing. Other than that it is completely vain and worthless and will not do anything to stop the movement of people that want to move. All ready there are more tunnels from Mexico into America than you might be aware, and there's many more as of yet still unknown. That's even only one way past the wall, they can climb up it, bust through it. Never underestimate a determined man.

Then there is just the realities and costs of building a wall long enough to block off the entire US-Mexico border. Not exactly the smallest stretch or the most suitable terrain at that! It's doable, yes, but there's not much by way of profit in it.
Boy, our leaders are stupid. Outwitted and outsmarted by folks with shovels! I would build the wall. Cost? Who cares? Really, ain't no liberal freak politician ever worried about cost. Except when it comes to doing right for this nation.

Stop funding Department of Education, Planned Parenthood, and about a host of other departments and programs, there's your wall. All the while the attraction for freebees in this nation will also be eliminated. So wall and less attraction.

Now, answer my question from previous post.

And hard right wing folks are Christians. Prolife. Marriage between MALE and FEMALE. Lower taxes. School vouchers. Less government. And host of other things that have been taken away by liberal freaks.
 
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Sirk

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Boy, our leaders are stupid. Outwitted and outsmarted by folks with shovels! I would build the wall. Cost? Who cares? Really, ain't no liberal freak politician ever worried about cost. Except when it comes to doing right for this nation.

Stop funding Department of Education, Planned Parenthood, and about a host of other departments and programs, there's your wall. All the while the attraction for freebees in this nation will also be eliminated. So wall and less attraction.

Now, answer my question from previous post.

And hard right wing folks are Christians. Prolife. Marriage between MALE and FEMALE. Lower taxes. School vouchers. Less government. And host of other things that have been taken away by liberal freaks.

Well I guess I'm vain for having a front door on my house. How mean of me not to just let anyone thru to raid my fridge.
 
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Uhm, the reporter knew Trump does not have access to the top military advisers. That's a security privilege for the whackos in office now.

Trump was and is honest. GodofSalvation, where does an outsider of Washington DC get military information? There's no answer that Trump could have given that would have been satisfactory to liberals.

I don't have access to the military intelligence. But I know of people who live along the border who have been shot at by illegals crossing the private property of those Americans.

I don't have access to military intel, but I've seen how illegals have ruined whole neighborhoods by cramming 20 people or more into a single home. They do this in entire neighborhoods.

I've seen entire communities brought to nearly third world standards because of illegal immigration.

So, I say to myself, well. They enter in droves. They cut fences. They slip through. One way to address that is: Bingo! Build a barrier. Build a wall.

Don't you get it? The stuff from Washington is not in our interest. It don't matter. It ain't concrete, down to earth policies.

It's all shifting and gaming playing.
No complaints here about Trump's answer pertaining to him watching TV and forming a judgment for himself. I think it is indeed a worthless question because to be elected president, or even be nominated by a major party, implies access to advisors of many backgrounds for many issues.
 
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Galahad

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Well I guess I'm vain for having a front door on my house. How mean of me not to just let anyone thru to raid my fridge.
Sirk, you're probably a liberal. Remember, We're all created equal," and so none should have more than another.

Now shut your door. You'll be soon flooded of all sorts. Some will want your TV. Others will want your furniture.

No. Don't waste your time. Why? Because they'll find another way to get in. So just welcome them with open arms!

I say dismantle our entire security system. Squash the military. We're going to be attacked, so let's just dismantle the defenses.

You liberal.
 
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Galahad

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Sirk, you're probably a liberal. Remember, We're all created equal," and so none should have more than another.

Now shut your door. You'll be soon flooded of all sorts. Some will want your TV. Others will want your furniture.

No. Don't waste your time. Why? Because they'll find another way to get in. So just welcome them with open arms!

I say dismantle our entire security system. Squash the military. We're going to be attacked, so let's just dismantle the defenses.

You liberal.
You liberal. NOT!
 
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Sirk

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You liberal. NOT!
But I bought my neighbors groceries this month cuz they are hurting financially....does that help me to be a liberal? Lol
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Uhm, the reporter knew Trump does not have access to the top military advisers. That's a security privilege for the whackos in office now.
Sorry, Galahad, but Ben Carson is advised militarily by Col. (Ret.) Ralph Peters, and enlistee-turned-officer who retired in 1998 after spending most of his career in military intelligence. Jeb Bush is counseled by John Noonan, most recently a top military and foreign policy adviser to House majority leader Kevin McCarthy. Scott Walker relies on former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden acts as adviser to Carly Fiorina, who was on his External Advisory Board when he was director.

Donald Trump "watches shows."

I rest my case.
 
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is trump a liberal. the other thing , the law makers of the constitution are they, the ones in power. or the ones that are moaning about, how to change it. how can it be liberal fault for political change, when if i remember correct , the whole of the usa had a vote. and why are there only two at the end, that can be vote into the hot seat. ie the uk has many political parties. that are in the full voting program to the very end, of the elections. the joy of opinions vary.
 
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Sirk

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Sorry, Galahad, but Carson is advised militarily by Col. (Ret.) Ralph Peters, and enlistee-turned-officer who retired in 1998 after spending most of his career in military intelligence. Bush, by John Noonan, most recently a top adviser to House majority leader Kevin McCarthy. Scott Walker relies on former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden acts as adviser to Carly Fiorina, who was on his External Advisory Board when he was director.

Donald Trump "watches shows."

I rest my case.
I wonder what kind of security clearance the candidates have to sensitive data....
 
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Boy, our leaders are stupid. Outwitted and outsmarted by folks with shovels! I would build the wall. Cost? Who cares? Really, ain't no liberal freak politician ever worried about cost. Except when it comes to doing right for this nation.

Stop funding Department of Education, Planned Parenthood, and about a host of other departments and programs, there's your wall. All the while the attraction for freebees in this nation will also be eliminated. So wall and less attraction.

Now, answer my question from previous post.

And hard right wing folks are Christians. Prolife. Marriage between MALE and FEMALE. Lower taxes. School vouchers. Less government. And host of other things that have been taken away by liberal freaks.
If you want to stop funding Department of Education and Planned Parenthood, be my guest, you won't hear any complaint from me if they get axed. Though I'd argue both could be reformed and still be profitable merely by getting rid of the abortions in Planned Parenthood and the atheistic/new ager lies in the education system. Nevertheless no skin off my back what happens to either, so no complaint really about what happens to either.

As for the wall, the only profit is pretty much placating the right wingers lol. They will find something to complain about next though. In terms of tangible profit towards fixing the immigration issue in America, it would not actually stop illegal immigration.

As for whom comes in, that's a flawed question if they're all ready inside. I support some sort of amnesty and mass granting of citizenship. As for pertaining to Old Worlder immigrants, many of them be not Christian and many of the immigrants from Latin America are Christian. Religiously, seems to me more prudent to let in people that either are or are predisposed to become Christians over the non-Christians in hopes of one last Christian Revival before the end cometh. Nevertheless the law of America is that there can be no religious test by the government of America, so therefore, I reason a type of amnesty or refugee program along with a mass acceptance of immigrants be most wise. It is worth taking in the dredges of societies even if only for the sake of 1 Christian.