Donald Trump: No citizenship for illegal migrants' babies

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Galahad

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sorry the history point, is every nationality, that is not a founder of the usa, would be call a incomer or migrate. some how they are call illegal immigrants in a modern world, like the fore fathers who wanted a chance at a better life. but
simply, my point , out side politics is, place of birth, is your nationality. so what do they put on your pass port, if they make a change, usa/ mexico etc
Royalflush, don't be sorry. Okay. I just didn't understand. Thank you for your responses. Our nation is different today. The founders settled here. Eventually, they and many generations thereafter betrayed the Indians here. Lied to them. Etc.

We are now an established nation, country. We have laws. In order to enter and live here, must follow the laws.

If a person enters illegally, they are to be deported. If they enter illegally and are caught while here and happen to be in the San Francisco area, they get to stay. It's a ??? city. Forget what it's called. Like a city of refugee. Law can't touch them there.
If they get caught in Las Vegas NV. by the Immigration Department, they are arrested and depending on a number of facts, they are either booked and processed for deport or given a written warning, on and on and on.

Usually, at least in liberal Robin Hood California, local police departments do not cooperate with Federal Immigration. If illegal arrested by city police, city police is not allowed to call immigration department.

Now, I am not an illegal. My parents both born here. My grandparents as well. You are not illegal in your country. Mexicans are not illegals in Mexico.

Illegal is illegal. It destroys. It does not build.

Legal immigration is wonderful. Come here. But come here with respect to our laws.
 
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Sorry, Galahad, but Ben Carson is advised militarily by Col. (Ret.) Ralph Peters, and enlistee-turned-officer who retired in 1998 after spending most of his career in military intelligence. Jeb Bush is counseled by John Noonan, most recently a top military and foreign policy adviser to House majority leader Kevin McCarthy. Scott Walker relies on former Missouri Sen. Jim Talent, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden acts as adviser to Carly Fiorina, who was on his External Advisory Board when he was director.

Donald Trump "watches shows."

I rest my case.
Sorry. Sorry for what? Sorry that had Trump named anyone of those formers he would have still been ridiculed. Now the criteria is "Who's got the most military info." Obama's got more than any of those folks you fanned all up and about. Big deal. See, there's a basic common sense that has to run through the mind of the individual that makes him or her appealing. And regardless of how many information folks Trump has now or does not have, makes little matter to me. He is saying things that I know would help this country.

By the way, how do you know he watches shows? Did you hear about it from a show? From someone suggesting that watching shows is terrible but watches them himself, I don't know about that.

Now how do you learn about your stuff? Shows. You've pasted so many "show" posts links here, I would think you would be applauding Trump.

Now VW, leave me alone. I've got a show to watch.
 
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Royalflush, don't be sorry. Okay. I just didn't understand. Thank you for your responses. Our nation is different today. The founders settled here. Eventually, they and many generations thereafter betrayed the Indians here. Lied to them. Etc.

We are now an established nation, country. We have laws. In order to enter and live here, must follow the laws.

If a person enters illegally, they are to be deported. If they enter illegally and are caught while here and happen to be in the San Francisco area, they get to stay. It's a ??? city. Forget what it's called. Like a city of refugee. Law can't touch them there.
If they get caught in Las Vegas NV. by the Immigration Department, they are arrested and depending on a number of facts, they are either booked and processed for deport or given a written warning, on and on and on.

Usually, at least in liberal Robin Hood California, local police departments do not cooperate with Federal Immigration. If illegal arrested by city police, city police is not allowed to call immigration department.

Now, I am not an illegal. My parents both born here. My grandparents as well. You are not illegal in your country. Mexicans are not illegals in Mexico.

Illegal is illegal. It destroys. It does not build.

Legal immigration is wonderful. Come here. But come here with respect to our laws.
so is the place of birth your nationality or not.

if you change it, then the only people, that can call, them self americans are the red Indians .

my point, has nothing to do with politics. has it not always been the case, ware your born, thats your nationality.
 
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so is the place of birth your nationality or not.

if you change it, then the only people, that can call, them self americans are the red Indians .

my point, has nothing to do with politics. has it not always been the case, ware your born, thats your nationality.
No. I am an American because the government recognizes me as an American. Oh, there's a man running for the Republican nomination to be president. He was born in Canada. He is not a Canadian. He is an American. A citizen of the US. You just do a simple search on those key terms in my statement, you'll find him.
 
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No. I am an American because the government recognizes me as an American. Oh, there's a man running for the Republican nomination to be president. He was born in Canada. He is not a Canadian. He is an American. A citizen of the US. You just do a simple search on those key terms in my statement, you'll find him.
Royalflush, I just checked. Ted Cruz. He was born in Canada. But he IS natural born citizen of US. Laws, not boundaries necessarily make it so.

As far as the Indians. Okay, they were here first. Yes. Folks took it by force. By cheating. By deception. But the law now prevails over that. It does.
 

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is trump a liberal. the other thing , the law makers of the constitution are they, the ones in power. or the ones that are moaning about, how to change it. how can it be liberal fault for political change, when if i remember correct , the whole of the usa had a vote. and why are there only two at the end, that can be vote into the hot seat. ie the uk has many political parties. that are in the full voting program to the very end, of the elections. the joy of opinions vary.
Is Trump a liberal? What color is a rainbow?
 
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No. I am an American because the government recognizes me as an American. Oh, there's a man running for the Republican nomination to be president. He was born in Canada. He is not a Canadian. He is an American. A citizen of the US. You just do a simple search on those key terms in my statement, you'll find him.
is that what i asked.

is that because you were born in the usa, or because you became a citizen.
 
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Is Trump a liberal? What color is a rainbow?
and they rest of the post, is that just for the colour blind. ?


is trump a liberal. the other thing , the law makers of the constitution are they, the ones in power. or the ones that are moaning about, how to change it. how can it be liberal fault for political change, when if i remember correct , the whole of the usa had a vote. and why are there only two at the end, that can be vote into the hot seat. ie the uk has many political parties. that are in the full voting program to the very end, of the elections. the joy of opinions vary.
 
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Is Trump a liberal? What color is a rainbow?
The two party system is better than the 120 party system. More is not better. Try reform in your country. Ain't going to budge.
 
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and they rest of the post, is that just for the colour blind. ?


is trump a liberal. the other thing , the law makers of the constitution are they, the ones in power. or the ones that are moaning about, how to change it. how can it be liberal fault for political change, when if i remember correct , the whole of the usa had a vote. and why are there only two at the end, that can be vote into the hot seat. ie the uk has many political parties. that are in the full voting program to the very end, of the elections. the joy of opinions vary.
The Constitution is not a law as you think of one. It is document, a foundation for laws in our country. For instance, the President of the USA is the Commander in Chief of the US armed forces. The military Chief of Staff takes orders from the President. This is how the Constitution determines to balance of power. A civilian is in charge of the military. Prevents a military coup. The president is limited by the Constitution. The Chief of Staff is also limited by what orders to obey or not to obey. How so, he took an oath, I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

So if the President wanted to use our military power to destroy a country, say Scotland for example,because he didn't like their twisted political system, the military Chief of Staff would not obey the orders to launch nuclear missiles at Scotland. And rightly so. His oath to the Constitution would prohibit it. Believe me, the military's allegiance is to the Constitution. And then to the President.
 
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The two party system is better than the 120 party system. More is not better. Try reform in your country. Ain't going to budge.
Royalflush, that was for you. Oops!
 
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Galahad

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is that what i asked.

is that because you were born in the usa, or because you became a citizen.
You will have to look up the word nationality. I am an American because I was born here. US Constitution makes it so. Now if you define that as my nationality, so be it. If you don't, so be it.
 
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You will have to look up the word nationality. I am an American because I was born here. US Constitution makes it so. Now if you define that as my nationality, so be it. If you don't, so be it.
so i am correct then.
 
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The Constitution is not a law as you think of one. It is document, a foundation for laws in our country. For instance, the President of the USA is the Commander in Chief of the US armed forces. The military Chief of Staff takes orders from the President. This is how the Constitution determines to balance of power. A civilian is in charge of the military. Prevents a military coup. The president is limited by the Constitution. The Chief of Staff is also limited by what orders to obey or not to obey. How so, he took an oath, I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

So if the President wanted to use our military power to destroy a country, say Scotland for example,because he didn't like their twisted political system, the military Chief of Staff would not obey the orders to launch nuclear missiles at Scotland. And rightly so. His oath to the Constitution would prohibit it. Believe me, the military's allegiance is to the Constitution. And then to the President.
what say, have you got, in how your country acts. and you will fined this post was not to you. so feel free to understand, i dont need an other opinion, on how the usa runs, if they are changing laws to suit them selfs.

when the world understand the jesus rule, your only tenants in a world ,that was not made by you/me.
 

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Hello! Jen here! :cool: I just wanted to provide a little "color commentary" from someone who has grown up with this issue.
This post contains background on the border issue from a personal perspective, so read it or don't read it, I'm fine either way! :cool:

I was born in Nogales, Arizona, in 1972. Nogales is essentially a huge city, split in half by the international border, resulting in Nogales, Arizona, and Nogales, Sonora. The home I grew up in was actually five miles outside of Nogales, and although we had 198 acres of ranch land there, we had the geographical "luck" to have the Santa Cruz river running right through our property. This was basically a highway for illegals (Back then we called them "wetbacks," and although that was never a racial term for me growing up, I understand that it has since become one.).

My father was an appellate court judge in Tucson, and a strong Christian. He had grown up along the border, being born in Nogales in 1927, and was fluent in Spanish. We were multi-generational ranchers, and our home always reflected a certain affection towards Mexicans, they were our friends and a huge part of our ranching and border culture, and we frequently hired legal Mexicans from "across the line" for carpentry and other work. However… there were the illegals.

It was not uncommon when I was a girl to see groups of illegals in our backyard, asking for food. They had traveled along the river with their inadequate supplies and water, and then would come up from down in the riverbed, looking for help. (It never ceases to amaze me how ill-prepared these people are for their journey. They plan badly, have no maps, and meager supplies. Lots of them literally think that Los Angeles is right around the corner!) My mother would always feed them, then call immigration. At that point, most of them were more than happy to go with immigration, and some of them would actually ask us to make the call. If, however, you weren't home when they came up from the river… they would more than likely just break in. We had our house broken into numerous times. I still remember one time coming home from a party to find out we'd been robbed, and rushing to make sure the illegals hadn't taken my beloved stuffed animals lol! :-D Eventually my parents had bars put on the house, then rolling security shutters.

A couple of hours away from our home was our actual cattle ranch. This was not near any cities, per se, although if you look at a map of Arizona, it's where Santa Cruz county and Cochise county meet the border of Mexico. For decades, the international border in this mountainous area consisted of a barbed-wire fence. A fence that was maintained, ironically, by our ranching neighbor, Bud. We used to joke that Bud was the only one responsible for international relations in the area, and it wasn't far from the truth! The fence was cut constantly. Eventually (back in the 80's), Bud got tired of this, and put in a cattleguard. No gate. (What would be the point?) After the cattleguard, people could just drive across. Or at least walk without cutting the fence and letting American cattle into Mexico, and vice versa.

Being a rancher along the border has its own special problems that we just dealt with regularly. Fences were always cut in a matter that would allow for South-to-North travel, you rarely had to worry about other fences. Water was always left on. This was an area where we relied on well-water to fill our tanks and cattle troughs near the ranch houses. The illegals would find taps near the buildings, turn them on, and just LEAVE them on, draining our taps and tanks. That one always miffed me. Showing up at the ranch house and having no water and having to go play, "Where'd the illegals leave it on?" You wouldn't see water flowing from it, because the water was... gone. You literally had to go around and try all the faucets and turn them all off, then wait several hours for the windmill to do its job and once again fill the tanks with water. I never begrudged them taking the water, they needed it! I just never understood why they left it running. I think they had no understanding that it would eventually run out, and they were leaving it "on" to be "helpful" for the next group to come through, at least that's my theory.

It was just assumed that they would break in and take food, and they did. My father, a strong Christian, always left gospel tracts printed in Spanish outside on a table on the ranch house porch, and those would usually be taken as well, at least. One day, about ten years ago, illegals stole our ranch truck. It was a big, huge red dual-cab pickup truck, with a gooseneck trailer still attached to it. They stole it and drove it right through the barbed wire fences back to Mexico. I always wanted to go after it, but I couldn't find anyone willing to go with me, so I didn't. That always bothered me…out of all the break-ins, the theft of that truck left me feeling the most violated. Probably because we actually used it and needed it for our ranch work. It was a huge loss. The thought of it being down in Mexico, "working" for illegals or drug dealers... just turned my stomach. At any rate, after that, we welded rebar fences around the ranch house yard. There had been a spate of vehicle thefts and horse thefts around that time, people stealing transportation to get back to Mexico. This was probably part of the drug trade, an increasingly problematic issue cropping up over the years.

Finally, within the last ten years, the government (for the first time that I had ever seen!) took interest in protecting these remote borders. They put up a welded metal structure all along the border in that area, which completely stopped severely decreased the transport of vehicles (and horses!) across the border. Unfortunately, it forced drug dealers to get more creative, and they would just back up a pick-up truck along the Mexican side of the fence, put a ramp in place, and drive ATV's (All-Terrain Vehicles) down the ramp into the US. Sure, there were Border Patrol in the area, but they'd usually sit up on a hill somewhere with binoculars. They did a lot of good, yes, but…not enough.
There are many more stories I could tell, but those are enough to give you a good idea of the situation along the border, at least the way I experienced it. So how to deal with this problem? Well, I'll just tell you what my dad suggested. Again, an appellate court judge who grew up along the border, was fluent in Spanish, and was a strong Christian (he went home to be with the Lord last year). He would always say, "Build a wall. Make it a big one, big enough that you can drive a border-patrol truck along the top of it. Get the illegals and inmates to build the wall to cut down on labor costs, and get Sheriff Joe Arpaio to be in charge of the labor (Sheriff Joe is the controversial but very effective sheriff of Maricopa County [Phoenix area] who puts his inmates in a "tent city" when he runs out of room and always has a "Vacancy" sign on his jails!).

My dad was also an advocate of putting the military along the border, as am I. I was in the Army National Guard and Reserves for eight years, and I always thought they should put up National Guard training posts along the border. Not so much to have a "military presence," but simply because the National Guard and Reserves are required to do their two-week annual training, and they are used to sleeping in tents, etc… so why not put them to practical use? They actually did put that into effect a few years back, but it was kind of a joke, and it didn't last.

Anyway, I guess that's about it for now… I just wanted to provide a first-hand experience of what it was like to grow up with these issues. Ultimately, I love the Mexican culture and people. I just can't stand the illegals. Seal off the border completely, and make it much easier for them to come across –legally-. Higher walls, wider gates. Okay, that's it! Thanks for reading! –Jen :cool:
 
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EDIT to my previous post because I missed the five-minute editing window: When I said, " ... completely stopped severely decreased. . ." when pertaining to vehicle theft along the border, it was supposed to have the words, "completely stopped" with a strike-through line, but when I cut and pasted it from Word, it didn't appear lol. How do you do that in posts? I have no idea! Anyway, hope that clears up any confusion, thanks!
 
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EDIT to my previous post because I missed the five-minute editing window: When I said, " ... completely stopped severely decreased. . ." when pertaining to vehicle theft along the border, it was supposed to have the words, "completely stopped" with a strike-through line, but when I cut and pasted it from Word, it didn't appear lol. How do you do that in posts? I have no idea! Anyway, hope that clears up any confusion, thanks!
It can't be done by text. No strike through allowed. It's a sin of syntax, I think.
 
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It will never happen. Try as hard as he can Donald Trump will not be able to stop people from coming into this country to have their babies.

There is a plan in the makings to make Canada, the USA and Mexico into one country ran by the Government of the USA.