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p_rehbein

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Dan_473 said:
I think the will of the people is considered, in that it's the people who elect the representitives who do the appointing.
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I think the will if the people may be considered for about 15 seconds, then the Special Interests folks start calling, and those elected officials do what they are told to do.
 
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do you believe there is large-scale election fraud? myself, I don't think there is... so elections reflect the votes of the people...

though, I do think that if a candidate starts talking about who they might appoint to the supreme court, the majority of people will "change the channel".
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Absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
 
Dan_473

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p_rehbein said:
The present situation is that Politicians say what is necessary to be elected, but when elected follow their own agendas, and or the agendas of the big money folks who got them elected.........."we the people" are not being properly represented whatsoever.
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except for the rare cases of 'outsiders' running for office, candidates have track records... voters have the opportunity to research, and evaluate which candidate is more likely to keep their promises.
 
Dan_473

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p_rehbein said:
I think the will if the people may be considered for about 15 seconds, then the Special Interests folks start calling, and those elected officials do what they are told to do.
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if they get re-elected, then the people approve to some degree of the actions taken by the representatives.
 
Dan_473

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Utah said:
Absolutely, unequivocally, yes.
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what leads you to believe there is large-scale election fraud?

for example, did obama not receive the majority of votes in those states which elected him in 2012?
 
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Dan_473 said:
what leads you to believe there is large-scale election fraud?

for example, did obama not receive the majority of votes in those states which elected him in 2012?
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Just because a candidate receives the majority of votes does not mean that all of those votes were cast legally. The true extent of voter fraud within the US may never truly be known, but there should be no doubt that it takes place. Routinely election offices find cases of deceased persons voting, or non citizens voting.

As convenience is pushed in our system of voting, the ability to abuse the system has increased. Motor voter (thank you Bill Clinton) has allowed large numbers of non-citizens to register to vote because at the time of registration one only has to "affirm" that they are qualified to vote, not supply PROOF. Amazingly you have to provide EVIDENCE of the right to work in order to get a job in the United States but not to vote.

 
Dan_473

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Oncefallen said:
Just because a candidate receives the majority of votes does not mean that all of those votes were cast legally.
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I certainly don't believe that all of the millions of votes cast for obama and romney were legal. I was asking what lead the poster to believe there is large-scale election fraud. so, for example, of the 332 electoral college obama received, was the voter fraud large enough to mean that 62 of them should have gone to romney?





The true extent of voter fraud within the US may never truly be known, but there should be no doubt that it takes place.
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I agree with that. my point would be that the system is run by elected officials, or appointees of those officials. if the voters don't approve of the job they're doing, they can vote different people in.





As convenience is pushed in our system of voting, the ability to abuse the system has increased. Motor voter (thank you Bill Clinton)...
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clinton was an elected official... did clinton act alone to change voting policy? I don't know... I would guess it involved an act of congress...


of course we can say that the voters of yesterday made bad choices about how they used their vote.

what I'm saying overall is that the society we have today is largely based on what 'we the people' decided yesterday.
 
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Dan_473 said:
what leads you to believe there is large-scale election fraud?

for example, did obama not receive the majority of votes in those states which elected him in 2012?
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I can give a slew of examples but I'll give just one: for the last midterm election, obama signed an executive order allowing over one million illegals the right to vote, but oh, they couldn't be older than (I think) 31 years of age. Why is that? Because after that age, people begin to vote more conservatively, thus against liberal democrats.
 
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Oncefallen said:
Just because a candidate receives the majority of votes does not mean that all of those votes were cast legally. The true extent of voter fraud within the US may never truly be known, but there should be no doubt that it takes place. Routinely election offices find cases of deceased persons voting, or non citizens voting.
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Recently more people voted for democrats in Milwaukee County than there were registered voters.
 
Dan_473

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Utah said:
I can give a slew of examples but I'll give just one: for the last midterm election, obama signed an executive order allowing over one million illegals the right to vote, but oh, they couldn't be older than (I think) 31 years of age. Why is that? Because after that age, people begin to vote more conservatively, thus against liberal democrats.
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doesn't sound like election fraud to me... of course we can disagree with obama on this issue... but he was elected by people who were probably somewhat familiar with his policies, and this sounds like something that grew out of those policies.
 
Dan_473

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Utah said:
Recently more people voted for democrats in Milwaukee County than there were registered voters.
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now that would be an example of election fraud... do you have a source we can research?
 
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