Minnesota Shooting (Lets Start Over)

[Desdichado]

How did we get from police brutality to the Iraq War?

 

[Desdichado]

Can I bring up Roswell? Is that cool?

 

[peacenik]

1.) Iraq didn't attack the US on 9/11. He invaded the wrong country.

2.) You say Bush's job was to protect the US: By destabilizing the middle east, terrorist organizations such as Al Qaeda and ISIS arose by the vacuum Bush created. The world is not safer with ISIS. The US should have learned it's lesson about not being in the business of overtaking dictators. We speak so often of "the lesser of two evils" in this presidential election, but it applies here too. Another example is Hillary Clinton failing as Secretary of State by wanting Muammar Gaddafi's head and attacking Libya... We can rationalize it by saying Saddam and Gaddafi are bad men... but in the bigger picture, this was anything but "the right call" as you indicated.

The majority of Republicans, including Trump, agree this was definitely NOT the right call. The only presidential candidate that was against the invasion from day one is none other than Bernie Sanders.

Excellent reply.
100% spot on.

 

[peacenik]

The 2d Amendment was intended to protect people against government intrusionism. If people exercised that right police would not be harassing or harming anyone. Ironically, the conservatives usually go silent when someone brings that up.

 

[Sirk]

The 2d Amendment was intended to protect people against government intrusionism. If people exercised that right police would not be harassing or harming anyone. Ironically, the conservatives usually go silent when someone brings that up.

is intrusionism even a word? Gotta admit that this is the first I've heard of it.

 

[Desdichado]

The 2d Amendment was intended to protect people against government intrusionism. If people exercised that right police would not be harassing or harming anyone. Ironically, the conservatives usually go silent when someone brings that up.

I don't know what conservatives you talk to. Most of my gun culture buddies would agree. Then again, half of them look like this now and the other half will look like this with time.

 

[Desdichado]

The 2d Amendment was intended to protect people against government intrusionism. If people exercised that right police would not be harassing or harming anyone. Ironically, the conservatives usually go silent when someone brings that up.

Hahaha. Just found this gent while tooling around YouTube. His opinion on police expressed here is pretty typical.

**video removed due to vulgar text**

 

[JosephsDreams]

You make an important point. 99% of the time it is people's stupidity that gets them beaten down by police.

I don't know about 99% of the time. But granted, it is a majority of times. It doesn't help that to often the police dish out a punishment that doesn't fit the crime.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Hahaha. Just found this gent while tooling around YouTube. His opinion on police expressed here is pretty typical.

I actually agree with his point that the population today has become extremely passive when confronted with situations that years ago the police would not have been called.
And that many Americans today seemed to have a unreasonable fear of guns.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I'm no expert on these things, but she was resisting arrest and it appears that she played a part in how she ended up on the ground with how wildly she was moving.

I mean it looked bad, but she doesn't appear to have any noteworthy injuries. A real, WWF, style body-slam would've wrecked her physically.

Lord knows I'm critical of police use of force. That event in Miami the other day was ridiculous- shooting a contrite therapist with a rifle while aiming for an autistic person sitting on the ground?! The best reasoning the cop could come up with was "I don't know?!"

The therapist may not have to work again with the settlement coming his way. Pretty much a done deal in court. But this? Arguably justified use of force.

Thank God we have cameras, witnesses, and experts. Our legal system is far from perfect, but it does help sort these things out while people are fixn' to turn everything into a politically-driven witch hunt.

/rant

The officer maybe could have given her a warning, like if I have to ask you again to get in the car...weather he used unreasonable force or not is debatable. I would not argue that, because maybe he didn't. My point was that he said blacks have a predisposition for violence. That ignorant attitude explains why many police officers ready, willing and able to beat up, or shoot and injure and even kill blacks quicker then they would whites.

 

[peacenik]

I don't know what conservatives you talk to. Most of my gun culture buddies would agree. Then again, half of them look like this now and the other half will look like this with time.

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I bet the cops would treat him with a lot less respect if he wasn't armed.




Remember my post about armed Black Panthers in Texas. The cops sure as heck treated them with a great deal of respect. That is how government is supposed to deal with people.

 

[Desdichado]

I actually agree with his point that the population today has become extremely passive when confronted with situations that years ago the police would not have been called.
And that many Americans today seemed to have a unreasonable fear of guns.

Same here. An armed society is a polite society.