14 Dead Colorado Shooting - Still developing.

[edward99]

Michael Bloomberg:
“Weak gun laws are not just a crime problem, they are a national security threat. Congress should take common sense steps to keep guns away from terrorists”.

Obama
“The risk that we are especially concerned with right now is the ‘Lone Wolf Terrorist’, someone with a single weapon being able to carry out large scale massacre.’

CNN
Security stepped up nationwide in wake of Colorado movie theater shooting

Napolitano Eyes Tighter Security for Trains, Ships, Mass Transit
Published November 25, 2010 FOX

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said this week that her department is considering beefing up security on trains, ships and mass transit amid a public backlash over the body scanners and "enhanced" pat-downs at airports across the country.

When asked what terrorists will be thinking in the future, Napolitano said Monday on "Charlie Rose" that they will "continue to probe the system and try to find a way through."

"I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime," she said. "So what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?"

Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, authored a bill in September that would allow testing of body scanners at certain federal buildings.
Napolitano Eyes Tighter Security for Trains, Ships, Mass Transit | Fox News

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Notice Napolitano's lapel pin?
Madeline Albright and Hillary Clinton, and many other women in the REAL gov't wear the same pin.

This is from Albright's collection

 

[edward99]

My thought on all this is, one normal guy in the theatre packing legal heat might have stopped that guy.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

My thought on all this is, one normal guy in the theatre packing legal heat might have stopped that guy.

Hmmm... One guy who had REALLY good aim, nerves of steel, night-vision goggles, and a superior firearm might have stopped that guy.

One well-intentioned guy packing heat, in a dark theater, after two canisters of tear gas had been released, with people screaming and running all around ... not sure it would have helped, and it may even have increased the death toll.

 

[edward99]

Hmmm... One guy who had REALLY good aim, nerves of steel, night-vision goggles, and a superior firearm might have stopped that guy.

One well-intentioned guy packing heat, in a dark theater, after two canisters of tear gas had been released, with people screaming and running all around ... not sure it would have helped, and it may even have increased the death toll.

Possibly. In this case.

I don't know your position on the 2nd.

But I do know those who don't know why the people need the right to bear arms are always the same sort.

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights.

 

[twosparrows]

Wasn't this Holmes guy an unemplyed med student? That doesn't make sense. Being unemployed, How could he have afforded all that stuff? Furthermore, What about his apartment? This is not making any sense at all. The whole thing is aweful, just aweful! I must admit the timing is suspicious.
It will be used against arms. Here's an question. If one or more people in that theater had had their own fire arm, how far do you think this guy would have gotten? I think he would have been able to do a lot less harm. That's just me. Good people who own guns can be a deterrent to crazy people who managed to come by them.
Yes we SHOULD pray for Holmes also. Hurting people hurt other people that's a fact. We live in a universe governed by cause and effect. What about the cause? How many times have people had an opportunity to save lives by answering the cause? He had a choice, he chose wrong, he must face justice. We must consider the cause. Only the light of Christ can shine throught the darkness.

 

[twosparrows]

Hmmm... One guy who had REALLY good aim, nerves of steel, night-vision goggles, and a superior firearm might have stopped that guy.

One well-intentioned guy packing heat, in a dark theater, after two canisters of tear gas had been released, with people screaming and running all around ... not sure it would have helped, and it may even have increased the death toll.

true unless the one withthe gun knew how to aim well. Usually people practice. Also he was wearing protection so the shot would have had to have been aimed just right. Posted before I read this

 

[edward99]

Wasn't this Holmes guy an unemplyed med student? That doesn't make sense. Being unemployed, How could he have afforded all that stuff? Furthermore, What about his apartment? This is not making any sense at all. The whole thing is aweful, just aweful! I must admit the timing is suspicious.
It will be used against arms. Here's an question. If one or more people in that theater had had their own fire arm, how far do you think this guy would have gotten? I think he would have been able to do a lot less harm. That's just me. Good people who own guns can be a deterrent to crazy people who managed to come by them.
Yes we SHOULD pray for Holmes also. Hurting people hurt other people that's a fact. We live in a universe governed by cause and effect. What about the cause? How many times have people had an opportunity to save lives by answering the cause? He had a choice, he chose wrong, he must face justice. We must consider the cause. Only the light of Christ can shine throught the darkness.

It's another evil, wicked false flag.

The guy was in Neuroscience for 5 years.
At a University known for experimentation.
It will likely come out he was on the usual "antidepressants" or some pharma as well.
I know a few other things about they guy as well.

This was scripted, from start to finish.
The apartment thing - ya right. *terror terror terror* Neverending, and all manufactured by THEM.

And they're not done yet.

They'll never be done until all the people have been disarmed and in re-education camps.
Kissinger's bragged about it - Obama's buddies the Weathermen crowed about it.

What makes this thing exponentially more evil is that we continue to believe what they tell us over and over and over. We consent to being enslaved. Did you notice all the usual iconic photos and imagery coming out - they play the Patriotism/pull together card when this ceased to be any kind of sovereign nation on October 26, 2001.

DON'T WE KNOW WHO IS DOING ALL THIS??

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Personally, as a Christian, I'm just looking to New Jerusalem and seeing The Lord in Glory.
Meanwhile we gotta go through this. But why can't we just see it for the stage-managed global mission that it is?
It would be so much easier if we all just woke up.

At least we'd get our Christian doctrine right and be unified in the faith.

 

[loveme1]

ed said :

it will likely come out he was on the usual "antidepressants" or some pharma as well.
I know a few other things about they guy as well.

Daily mail:

James Holmes has been declining to explain to detectives why he assembled a terrifying arsenal for the indiscriminate massacre but after his arrest he told police that he was the Joker, Batman's nemesis. Police believe he had grown fixated by the Batman films and there are unconfirmed reports he became hooked on the narcotic prescription painkiller Vicodin, which was found in the system of Heath Ledger, the actor who played the Joker. Ledger died of an overdose in 2008.

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Peace and Blessings in the name of Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah.

 

[Nautilus]

The worse thing i have seen was an article...i forget where, saying he purposefully picked the batman release because he knew kids would be there and was relying on the paternal/maternal instinct to protect one's children over people trying to stop him since they would be preoccupied. This wasn;t some random act of violence, this was pre-meditated homicide in it's worst form.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

It was inevitable that the 2nd amendment would come up in light of this tragedy.

Putting all politics aside, here's what I see, in this particular case: Holmes purchased all of his guns and ammo for this event legally. The professors and advisers in his graduate program had already noticed a change in him, and were about to put him on "academic probation." I have not heard (whether it has been reported or not) whether they had spoken to him about his behavior patterns yet, or whether they had alerted authorities. It is unclear / unknown whether the first would have had any impact on him. Had they reported his behavior to the authorities, would that have put something in place that could have prevented this? Does Colorado have any sort of background check in which something like this might have come up as a flag?

I don't think requiring a background check, registration, or even requiring a course in gun safety before you purchase a handgun limits 2nd amendment freedoms in any way. The whole reason for the 2nd amendment is to have a citizen militia. It is not at all unreasonable to expect people to pass certain fitness tests before they join the military. If John Doe, my next-door neighbor, is buying a gun, and claiming the 2nd amendment as his right to do so, that means he is ready to protect me should the need arise. If he is mentally unstable or physically unfit, that defeats the entire purpose. As for the registration, if the community needs to call up the militia quickly, they need to know where their soldiers live. If you're buying a gun because of the 2nd amendment, you're volunteering for the militia, and you have to supply your contact information. I don't see the problem there.

Now, limits on the types of weapons are more problematic. The reason, according to our founding fathers, we need a militia is in case a tyranical government (like the one we had just fought) needs putting down in rebellion. By that reasoning, it makes sense that any weapon available to the government military should be available to the citizen's militia, so that it's a fair fight. Not sure if the founding fathers considered what bomb warfare would look like in those cases. Should "joe 6-pack" be allowed to have a nuclear bomb?

And then we have to put all this aside and ask, "What would Jesus do?" Would Jesus have armed himself with a semi-automatic and opened fire on the dangerous man in a crowded theater? Would Jesus have called for the death penalty (and the answer to this question very well may be yes)? Would Jesus have called for us to love our enemy, even in the midst of protecting those who need protection? How far does one go to protect others? When does Christian love cross a line into human hate? (I'm loving him right to hell....) All very important questions that should be considered carefully.

 

[edward99]

It was inevitable that the 2nd amendment would come up in light of this tragedy.

Putting all politics aside, here's what I see, in this particular case: Holmes purchased all of his guns and ammo for this event legally. The professors and advisers in his graduate program had already noticed a change in him, and were about to put him on "academic probation." I have not heard (whether it has been reported or not) whether they had spoken to him about his behavior patterns yet, or whether they had alerted authorities. It is unclear / unknown whether the first would have had any impact on him. Had they reported his behavior to the authorities, would that have put something in place that could have prevented this? Does Colorado have any sort of background check in which something like this might have come up as a flag?

I don't think requiring a background check, registration, or even requiring a course in gun safety before you purchase a handgun limits 2nd amendment freedoms in any way. The whole reason for the 2nd amendment is to have a citizen militia. It is not at all unreasonable to expect people to pass certain fitness tests before they join the military. If John Doe, my next-door neighbor, is buying a gun, and claiming the 2nd amendment as his right to do so, that means he is ready to protect me should the need arise. If he is mentally unstable or physically unfit, that defeats the entire purpose. As for the registration, if the community needs to call up the militia quickly, they need to know where their soldiers live. If you're buying a gun because of the 2nd amendment, you're volunteering for the militia, and you have to supply your contact information. I don't see the problem there.

Now, limits on the types of weapons are more problematic. The reason, according to our founding fathers, we need a militia is in case a tyranical government (like the one we had just fought) needs putting down in rebellion. By that reasoning, it makes sense that any weapon available to the government military should be available to the citizen's militia, so that it's a fair fight. Not sure if the founding fathers considered what bomb warfare would look like in those cases. Should "joe 6-pack" be allowed to have a nuclear bomb?

And then we have to put all this aside and ask, "What would Jesus do?" Would Jesus have armed himself with a semi-automatic and opened fire on the dangerous man in a crowded theater? Would Jesus have called for the death penalty (and the answer to this question very well may be yes)? Would Jesus have called for us to love our enemy, even in the midst of protecting those who need protection? How far does one go to protect others? When does Christian love cross a line into human hate? (I'm loving him right to hell....) All very important questions that should be considered carefully.

"Would Jesus have called for the death penalty (and the answer to this question very well may be yes)"

Bye.

 

[iamsoandso]

"remember the commercial,,,you should get out more!!!",,,,,,,,this guy went to a movie where he knew that little children were watching,,,he knew that the only "men" who might jump him were going to be jumping on the children to protect them,,,,,,,,,he put on body armor and then started ,,,,,,,,,,,"he picked a soft target",,,,,,,,,"where babies were his competition",,,,,,,,,,,he made the pre-determined decision to attach the ones he was able to "war with",,,,,,,,children and protective parrents,,,,if he was a real warrior,,,,,he would have gone to a movie where the "men were watching",,,,,,,,,but he was to fearful,,,,,( he looked at the pg-13 rating real hard and made that decision),,he said about his own self,,,"i am a warrior,,,but i cannot war with the men,,i must war with the babies",,,,,,,,,,here's a challenge,in the u.s. they show you movies about the "third world countries",,,,,,,,,,,ever noticed they are all from the 60's?????????,,,,,,,,see the other countries 'throwing out their leaders cause their not going to return to a third world country???????,,get on a boat and go see the world look for "the primitive life",,you'll sail around from place to place and never find the wilderness,,,,,,,,you'll still try to find the most left behind nation in the earth but you'll go back to the u.s.,,,,,,,,,,,where everyone lives in trailer houses and apartments,,(that's where you'll find it),,,,,,,,,,,,i mean no offense in saying this ,,,,,,,,,,"it's the secret that's kept from you" ,,,,,,,,ever wondered why you never see pictures of the people who live in other nations in "their trailer park"????????????

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

"Would Jesus have called for the death penalty (and the answer to this question very well may be yes)"

Bye.

I'm not sure what your answer of "bye" is supposed to mean. I gather than you believe Jesus would not have called for the death penalty. If that is the case, then I agree with you. In fact, I am against the death penalty, for this and other reasons. But I know many devout Christians who have argued well that God was not above demanding death as a payment for wrong-doing. Unless you think Jesus as revealed in the New Testament is not the same as the God in the Old Testament, then it's a reasonable question.

Like I said, I personally think the answer would be no. But some disagree with me, and I respect that.

 

[edward99]

If anyone is watching the live hearing for Holmes on CNN, or other.
The guy is CLEARLY drugged. Zombified.

This is illegal, unethical, that he would be at his own arraignment in this condition (he did do it, for certain, but DID HE ACT ALONE).....but this is exactly to be expected, since they have their LONE NUT, and they want this wrapped up quickly.

Every single mind-controlled killer is in the same condition.

btw: did you know eye witnesses are reporting TWO MEN? two throwing canisters into the theater.
Did you know "terrorists" are committing massacres in theaters around the world?

Do we remember Lincoln and Oswald?

 

[edward99]

The general public has been conditioned to expect nothing more than an arrest, a trial or a confession, and a verdict. When more is brought to the table by Web journalists or private citizens who aren’t satisfied with the law-enforcement work in the case, it is automatically looked upon as weird, unnecessary, and disruptive.



Particularly when the crime is horrific enough to jump the fence and attract 24/7 coverage for days on end, there is a schedule of events that runs by the book: interviews with the victims’ families, witnesses, and acquaintances of the accused; vigils; funerals; memorials; calls for healing; statements from politicians recommending new gun-control legislation; journalistic “heavyweights” assessing “what it all really means.”



This schedule runs. Outsiders who want people to stop, back up, and listen to unresolved questions about the crime and the case are viewed as rank intruders on the ceremonial march of the Ritual.



...I call your attention, as others already have, to the potential psychiatric drug angle in the Batman murders. My white paper, published after the 1999 Columbine killings, “Why Did They Do It,” makes the point that when the psychiatric establishment seeds the society with drugs known to cause violence, like the SSRI antidepressants (e.g., Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox), and ADHD drugs (Ritalin, Adderall), it is setting the stage for murders that come out of nowhere....

ANOTHER ANGLE ON THE BATMAN MURDERS « Jon Rappoport's Blog

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

If anyone is watching the live hearing for Holmes on CNN, or other.
The guy is CLEARLY drugged. Zombified.

This is illegal, unethical, that he would be at his own arraignment in this condition (he did do it, for certain, but DID HE ACT ALONE).....but this is exactly to be expected, since they have their LONE NUT, and they want this wrapped up quickly.

Wow, that's disturbing. I totally believe you, though it is disappointing.

Do we remember Lincoln and Oswald?

Umm ... I don't think there is anyone alive today who remembers Lincoln.

 

[edward99]

Umm ... I don't think there is anyone alive today who remembers Lincoln.

HaHa. I guess you're right Diva (though my granddad is pret-ty old...)

 

[Red33]

"Would Jesus have called for the death penalty (and the answer to this question very well may be yes)"

Bye.

If a man is randomly taking the life of others and you have the means to put him down, then you should put him down without reservation to preserve life. Our first and foremost liberty is to life and to preserve life, which includes our own life and the life of others. We have such a complicated justice system that allows for many different types of defense strategies, which is good and necessary, because the burden of proof is always on the proffer of the prosecution.

This young man for whatever reason did not guard his heart and allowed wicked imaginations to occupy and have preeminence over his mind and soul and become an appetiteof his flesh that needed to be gratified through a specific calculated strategy for maximum satisfaction and effect. It will be a long time before anyone will be able to know the real intent of the heart that was behind this massacre, especially with all this psych-analysis that incessantly pounds the media.

 

[edward99]

If a man is randomly taking the life of others and you have the means to put him down, then you should put him down without reservation to preserve life. Our first and foremost liberty is to life and to preserve life, which includes our own life and the life of others. We have such a complicated justice system that allows for many different types of defense strategies, which is good and necessary, because the burden of proof is always on the proffer of the prosecution.

This young man for whatever reason did not guard his heart and allowed wicked imaginations to occupy and have preeminence over his mind and soul and become an appetiteof his flesh that needed to be gratified through a specific calculated strategy for maximum satisfaction and effect. It will be a long time before anyone will be able to know the real intent of the heart that was behind this massacre, especially with all this psych-analysis that incessantly pounds the media.

I'm not for the death penalty.
If the opportunity to take him down in the act were there, I would have been for that.

Besides...I don't think he is the only one guilty for this disaster: we need to slow down on this. He's in jail. That's enough until a grand jury (hopefully) does a parallel investigation.

As for the heart behind it, the guy was drugged/demon possessed. There's a lot of that going around these days, and certain agencies are involved.

 

[edward99]

Now we've got Piers Morgan (a Brit) and Alan Dershowitz ranting about taking American guns away.

Dershowitz "if I could take every gun away I would...even for hunting"

Dershowitz looks like he's about to blow a gasket.