Not surprised THAT Trump thread was closed. Lets do a why Trump will be the next Prez
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The problem I see with the devolving of the political threads is the lack of honesty. Each side digs in, and won't lift a spoon to shovel out one grain of sand of transparency.
I can't speak for others, I have tried to admit Trumps flaws. I have said he is the better of two luke warm candidates.
But two notorious posters here refuse to even give a inch when evaluating Hillary in a genuine manner.
One of them just endlessly posts articles, rather then speaking in his own words. Nothing wrong with posting articles, but come on, we all know 75% of them are biased anyway. So that goes no where.
And he openly admitted he wants to crush and defeat anyone whose opinion differs then his about Hillary.
So yeah, I think it is the lack of honesty that leads to such hostilities. I try not to allow my emotions to get the best of me. I think I usually succeed, but not always. At least I admit, unlike a few posters here that love HC.
I think that is the thing that irritates other pro Trump posters the most. I know it is for me.
I respect your saying that their are sometimes good points made.
I can't speak for others, I have tried to admit Trumps flaws. I have said he is the better of two luke warm candidates.
But two notorious posters here refuse to even give a inch when evaluating Hillary in a genuine manner.
One of them just endlessly posts articles, rather then speaking in his own words. Nothing wrong with posting articles, but come on, we all know 75% of them are biased anyway. So that goes no where.
And he openly admitted he wants to crush and defeat anyone whose opinion differs then his about Hillary.
So yeah, I think it is the lack of honesty that leads to such hostilities. I try not to allow my emotions to get the best of me. I think I usually succeed, but not always. At least I admit, unlike a few posters here that love HC.
I think that is the thing that irritates other pro Trump posters the most. I know it is for me.
I respect your saying that their are sometimes good points made.
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You might be onto something about the honesty part. However, I think the bigger issue is there is a lack of love. It's as if so many of us skip over the part of the bible that says to love one another. It doesn't mean we have to agree with everyone, but it does mean we have to love them, in spite, of our differences politically.
Personally, I think saying, "Well, when it comes to religion and politics, people tend to get too heated..." is true, but it's as if it's justified. It's a copout. I just wish that if people can't love or respect one another, they excuse themselves from the thread. Is it really so difficult to police our actions in a Christian forum?
Personally, I think saying, "Well, when it comes to religion and politics, people tend to get too heated..." is true, but it's as if it's justified. It's a copout. I just wish that if people can't love or respect one another, they excuse themselves from the thread. Is it really so difficult to police our actions in a Christian forum?
I understand what you mean Joseph. I don't listen to the media often because they twist things the way they want. So you have to be careful what you read. I'm always surprised how seriously people take stuff they see on the Internet too. It's almost alarming and that's coming from me, I'm pretty naïve and try to see the best in people.
I am still on the fence about this election, I'd never vote for Hillary. We already had enough of one Clinton to last a lifetime no thanks.
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I know honest liberals. I come from a mixed family. (Some are conservative, some liberal, and some libertarian.)
Here's some of the reason they're liberal:
1. Big Business will try and get away with anything they can right down to mistreating their workers so badly that they jeopardize their health without even giving them the fair pay for it.
2. We are supposed to take care of the poor and sick as Christians, but don't. Does that then mean we ignore them until they do what they're supposed to do -- die? Or does it mean the government needs to help?
3. Are we or are we not our brother's keeper? Republicans like to have the money set aside to make sure our military is ready for anything, but it is often the Democrats who fight the wars. Republicans think a good military strategy is to shame the aggressor. Notice how well that works in Africa. If they don't shame, they sit back to see what happens next. This explains why Putin is in power and it explains why Israel stands alone.
4. Republicans are more likely to be isolationists. America isn't an isolationist country. Not many of us are natives, and liberals tend to get that better.
I do get why there are honest liberals, even though I'm conservative. I can argue any of those points pretty well. But the reality is if America was only Republican hubby and I would be dead.
Reagan saved our house.
FDR gave us money when we ran out.
LBJ gave me health insurance.
Clinton gave my husband his health insurance and stopped us from being completely and utterly bankrupted from medical bills.
G.W. Bush and Obama cost us money when they tried to "fix" healthcare and cost us some of our healthcare.
And taking it to broader terms:
Nixon made abortion the law of the land.
Obama gave us same-sex marriages.
To think either the conservatives or the liberals are to blame for all ills is myopic.
Here's some of the reason they're liberal:
1. Big Business will try and get away with anything they can right down to mistreating their workers so badly that they jeopardize their health without even giving them the fair pay for it.
2. We are supposed to take care of the poor and sick as Christians, but don't. Does that then mean we ignore them until they do what they're supposed to do -- die? Or does it mean the government needs to help?
3. Are we or are we not our brother's keeper? Republicans like to have the money set aside to make sure our military is ready for anything, but it is often the Democrats who fight the wars. Republicans think a good military strategy is to shame the aggressor. Notice how well that works in Africa. If they don't shame, they sit back to see what happens next. This explains why Putin is in power and it explains why Israel stands alone.
4. Republicans are more likely to be isolationists. America isn't an isolationist country. Not many of us are natives, and liberals tend to get that better.
I do get why there are honest liberals, even though I'm conservative. I can argue any of those points pretty well. But the reality is if America was only Republican hubby and I would be dead.
Reagan saved our house.
FDR gave us money when we ran out.
LBJ gave me health insurance.
Clinton gave my husband his health insurance and stopped us from being completely and utterly bankrupted from medical bills.
G.W. Bush and Obama cost us money when they tried to "fix" healthcare and cost us some of our healthcare.
And taking it to broader terms:
Nixon made abortion the law of the land.
Obama gave us same-sex marriages.
To think either the conservatives or the liberals are to blame for all ills is myopic.
Point #2 is dead wrong. Christians help those in need, and more often than not its conservatives helping liberals. Conservatives donate a lot more to charity than liberals.
As far as the government helping others goes, its unconstitutional regarding the federal government. Again, as for your presidential assistance, none of it is constitutional.
As far as the government helping others goes, its unconstitutional regarding the federal government. Again, as for your presidential assistance, none of it is constitutional.
V
The 3 main political candidates are all fairly liberal. If we ask who is the most honest candidate of the 3, I'm sure many of the Trump supporters would even say Bernie Sanders... they just disagree with his policies.
Conservatives and/or liberals don't have a monopoly of "honesty"... I'd argue there is a shortage of it... a famine if you will. I could give a few exceptions to this rule, Sanders being one.
Conservatives and/or liberals don't have a monopoly of "honesty"... I'd argue there is a shortage of it... a famine if you will. I could give a few exceptions to this rule, Sanders being one.
That will keep the post In those threads uninteresting and keep those post from prompting responses because there would be no challenge there.
I never mentioned anything about peace.I love peace as much as you do.Who doesn't love peace?I think you decided to bear false witness against me.Read my post again and respond correctly,I digress.
This and all forums that members post In ,are there for discussion and If you look at any thread that has no dissenting views,I will say most of those threads that don't offer scripture only have a few post.
That's all I was saying,In this particular post my Intentions was not to influence you Into negativity.
K
I can tell you are a much greater Christian than I am. You are knowledgeable of the word of God and apply it in the news forum. I thank you for coming to me and giving me scriptural advice. I would rather be "set straight" than "condemned" by a fellow Christian.
It's always a pleasure reading your posts, even when we disagree on minor things. I've learned a lot from you and PostHuman.
It's always a pleasure reading your posts, even when we disagree on minor things. I've learned a lot from you and PostHuman.
As for the government's role in helping those in need, the Founders did expressly address the matter of its role in promoting the "common welfare". In fact it was Thomas Paine who first proposed the idea of Social Security well before Marx was born. See my previous post on the subject.
Having said, there is nothing in the Constitution to sanction the amount of aid Washington DC has given to Israel or to other governments some of which "justify" their existence based on religion.
Re: Not surprised THAT Trump thread was closed. Lets do a why Trump will be the next
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Hillary, Defender of the People, and Her Four (4) Homes
Here are Hillary Clinton’s four homes and their estimated value:
1. “The Embassy Estate”:
2. “The Countryside Castle”:
3. “The Hampton Hideaway”:
4. “The Beachside Bungalow”:
Where did Hillary and Bill’s $100 million wealth come from? In 2000 the Clinton’s claimed they were “dead broke.” Yet, the Clinton’s now have a net worth of over $100 million. How did they amass so much money?
The Office of Inspector General issued a subpoena to the Clinton Foundation last fall as part of an investigation, according to The Washington Post.
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Like War? Vote for Hillary
Wanna send more of our boys off to die? Vote Hillary!
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War is good for my financial backers. Too bad soldiers have to die, but I get to be President! Yippie!!
Hillary Clinton has received more money from the arms and weapons industry than any other candidate in history. (telesurtv.net)The engineering of war: The US used to make bullets to fight wars. Now they make wars to sell bullets. And planes, and tanks, and missiles, and post-war rebuilding, and so on. It’s a controlled cycle that is profitable for 1/4 of the US economy, Hillary’s backers, the Military-Industrial Complex.
According to Smedley Butler was a United States Marine Corps Major General, and the most decorated Marine in U.S. history:
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” (Sources)
. . . and according to George Orwell, War is Peace.
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Like Genetically Modified Foods? Vote for Hillary!
Hillary Clinton, recently named the ‘Bride of Frankenfood’ for her vocal and open support of GMOs. No wonder that 70-80% of America’s foods now contain GMO ingredients that are banned as “unsafe” in dozens of countries.
Hillary hired a former Monsanto lobbyist to run her presidential campaign.
Hillary Clinton: The Bride Of FrankenfoodBaby formula in the U.S. is now loaded with GMOsLike GMOs? Vote Hillary!
According to financial disclosures by the Clinton Foundation, as reported by The Washington Times, Monsanto gave the Clinton foundation between $501,250 and $1 million; and Dow Chemical gave the Clinton foundation between $1 million and $5 million. Furthermore, while Hillary was in charge of the U.S. State Department, she used her position to promote Monsanto’s and Dow Chemical’s GMO seeds and herbacides:
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Like Corruption? Vote for Hillary!
Where did Hillary and Bill’s $100 million wealth come from? In 2000 the Clinton’s claimed they were “dead broke.” Yet, the Clinton’s now have a net worth of over $100 million. How did they amass so much money?
The Office of Inspector General issued a subpoena to the Clinton Foundation last fall as part of an investigation, according to The Washington Post.
The $100,000,000 question: Where did their money come from?
“…the Clintons have used their foundation for crass profiteering and influence peddling,a vehicle to launder money and to enrich Clinton family and friends. (Source: Shaky Foundations)
Hillary, Defender of the People, and Her Four (4) Homes
1. “The Embassy Estate”:
2. “The Countryside Castle”:
3. “The Hampton Hideaway”:
4. “The Beachside Bungalow”:
Where did Hillary and Bill’s $100 million wealth come from? In 2000 the Clinton’s claimed they were “dead broke.” Yet, the Clinton’s now have a net worth of over $100 million. How did they amass so much money?
The Office of Inspector General issued a subpoena to the Clinton Foundation last fall as part of an investigation, according to The Washington Post.
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Like War? Vote for Hillary
Wanna send more of our boys off to die? Vote Hillary!
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Hillary Clinton has received more money from the arms and weapons industry than any other candidate in history. (telesurtv.net)
New York Times Accurately Portrays Hillary Clinton as an Unrepentant WarmongerEven politically liberal observers such as Huffington Post openly report that:Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine(huffingtonpost.com)
Hillary Clinton’s War Mongering and Foreign Policy Blunders
.Hillary Clinton’s War Mongering and Foreign Policy Blunders
According to Smedley Butler was a United States Marine Corps Major General, and the most decorated Marine in U.S. history:
“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small ‘inside’ group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.” (Sources)
. . . and according to George Orwell, War is Peace.
- Hillary Clinton Wants War, Lots Of It & That’s Why She’s Running
- Hillary Clinton promised us a speech on what she’d do to destroy ISIS, but what she gave us was a speech detailing how she would destroy Syria – and drag the US down the road to another unwinnable war.
- Hillary Will Start More Wars than Any Other POTUS Candidate
- Hillary Clinton’s war talking points
- Warmonger and Wall Street lackey.
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Like Genetically Modified Foods? Vote for Hillary!
Hillary Clinton, recently named the ‘Bride of Frankenfood’ for her vocal and open support of GMOs. No wonder that 70-80% of America’s foods now contain GMO ingredients that are banned as “unsafe” in dozens of countries.
Hillary Clinton: The Bride Of FrankenfoodBaby formula in the U.S. is now loaded with GMOs
[*=left]Hillary hired a former Monsanto lobbyist to run her presidential campaign.
[*=left]Hilary Clinton’s Endorsement of GMOs
[*=left]Hillary Clinton Goes to Bat for GMOs at Biotech Conference
According to financial disclosures by the Clinton Foundation, as reported by The Washington Times, Monsanto gave the Clinton foundation between $501,250 and $1 million; and Dow Chemical gave the Clinton foundation between $1 million and $5 million. Furthermore, while Hillary was in charge of the U.S. State Department, she used her position to promote Monsanto’s and Dow Chemical’s GMO seeds and herbacides:
- Hillary Clinton’s “Promotion Of Monsanto’s GMOs Abroad.” Huffington Post. July 20, 2013. Accessed on September 1, 2015.
- “Biotech Ambassadors: How The U.S. State Department Promotes The Seed Industry’s Global Agenda.” Food and Water Watch. May, 2013. Accessed on September 1, 2015.
- Hillary’s hypocrisy: GMO endorser Hillary Clinton preferred to eat organic whole foods during her time at White House as First Lady
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Like Corruption? Vote for Hillary!
Where did Hillary and Bill’s $100 million wealth come from? In 2000 the Clinton’s claimed they were “dead broke.” Yet, the Clinton’s now have a net worth of over $100 million. How did they amass so much money?
The Office of Inspector General issued a subpoena to the Clinton Foundation last fall as part of an investigation, according to The Washington Post.