AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT

[Smoke]

Mmmm, I can't tell if the insults are jokes or if they are meant to really offend each other. I hope yall are playing nice.

[Sirk]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to p_rehbein again".

Evidently God is Marxist too.

You should read up on the ukraine under Stalin and see if you still think God is a Marxist.

[Pandy]

While this plan is not what I hoped for, I understand that once government is put in control of something it is VERY hard to get it out of it.

[Tommy379]

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[JosephsDreams]

The constitution. One of the worlds most scared and cherished documents. That, the Magna Carta and the 10 commandants.
I am close to tears sometimes when I think this is what it has come to.
Lord help us. Lord help us help ourselves.

[p_rehbein]

The Constitution of the United States

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Preamble to the United States Constitution

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[Tommy379]

The Constitution of the United States

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Preamble to the United States Constitution

No preamble creates an ordinance or establish a law.

[RickyZ]

Looking at the poll results, and ignorance is leading.

6 people have taken a position (2 for 4 against). 6 MORE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE REAL ISSUE. 50% of the respondents don't think it's important enough to look into!!!

That kind of apathy and ignorance is EXACTLY why we end up with choices like Obummer v Clinton v Trump. And ACA v AHCA.

[Sirk]

Looking at the poll results, and ignorance is leading.

6 people have taken a position (2 for 4 against). 6 MORE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT.

THAT RIGHT THERE IS THE REAL ISSUE. 50% of the respondents don't think it's important enough to look into!!!

That kind of apathy and ignorance is EXACTLY why we end up with choices like Obummer v Clinton v Trump. And ACA v AHCA.

If I were you I'd walk back the "God is evidently a Marxist" comment before any further commenting. But that's just me....I like to at least have a little credibility.

[RickyZ]

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[Sirk]

Well I'm not sure man. Do you really think God is a Marxist?

[RickyZ]

I need help. I just can't resist. Someone hold an intervention!

I post 46 verses in which God says do not horde wealth and treat your workers fairly. You say that's Marxist.

Ergo, it is YOU and not I who called God Marxist.

Sigh. I sure miss the old sirk.

[Sirk]

I need help. I just can't resist. Someone hold an intervention!

I post 46 verses in which God says do not horde wealth and treat your workers fairly. You say that's Marxist.

Ergo, it is YOU and not I who called God Marxist.

Sigh. I sure miss the old sirk.

What was the old Sirk like? I'm listening

[p_rehbein]

The Preamble is the "heart" and "soul" of our Constitution, and DEFINES why the Founding Fathers created the Constitution. If you do not know or understand this............well......................and your response is weird anyway. The Constitution does not create Ordinances........and, apart from that..........I simply showed yo where in the Constitution people draw from when establishing Welfare Programs.

No preamble creates an ordinance or establish a law.

[peacenik]

GOP Rep. Can't Recall Any Bill 'More Universally Detested' Than AHCA

Source: Talking Points Memo




Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) said Monday that he can't think of any legislation proposed during his time in Congress that has been "more universally detested" than House Republicans' bill to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

"While I've been in Congress, I can't recall a more universally detested piece of legislation than this GOP health care bill," Amash tweeted.

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While I've been in Congress, I can't recall a more universally detested piece of legislation than this GOP health care bill.
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Amash faced questions about the repeal from constituents at a town hall during the congressional recess in January. At that event, he advocated for a conditional state-by-state repeal of Obamacare to be activated only once state legislatures passed their own health care legislation to replace it.

In March, Amash said that House Republican leadership was trying to "ram" the repeal bill through Congress. "The problem actually is that they’re not working with Democrats," he said.

GOP Rep. Can't Recall Any Bill 'More Universally Detested' Than AHCA

Interesting to see how this will develop.

[willfollowsGod]

The Preamble is the "heart" and "soul" of our Constitution, and DEFINES why the Founding Fathers created the Constitution. If you do not know or understand this............well......................and your response is weird anyway. The Constitution does not create Ordinances........and, apart from that..........I simply showed yo where in the Constitution people draw from when establishing Welfare Programs.

Depends what you mean by welfare and how it is supposed to work and not how it sadly currently works now. Also, the term welfare was most likely used differently back then. God bless.

[Tommy379]

The Preamble is the "heart" and "soul" of our Constitution, and DEFINES why the Founding Fathers created the Constitution. If you do not know or understand this............well......................and your response is weird anyway. The Constitution does not create Ordinances........and, apart from that..........I simply showed yo where in the Constitution people draw from when establishing Welfare Programs.

You don't know what you are talking about. A preamble is akin to an organization mission statement. But in no way does it direct any particular action of the government. The matters that would concern congress to legislate are found in article 1 section 8. I have read it many times and have posted it on this forum and have still not found where the constitution authorizes congress to provide healthcare. If this is something you want from the federal government instead of the states where it belongs, then you need an ammendment.

[RickyZ]

The vote is tomorrow. Let's take a brief look at what we were promised and what we may get:

Trump promised it would cover everyone. Reality, up to 24 million people will LOSE coverage

Trump promised it will be less expensive. Truth is, unless you're filthy rich it will cost you more.

Trump promised to repeal the ACA. What we would get is 'ACA light'

Trump promised to control pharmaceutical prices. The plan says nothing about it.

Trump promised to sell insurance across state lines. Reality - "later gator".

That's just the highlights.

[Tommy379]

The vote is tomorrow. Let's take a brief look at what we were promised and what we may get:

Trump promised it would cover everyone. Reality, up to 24 million people will LOSE coverage

Trump promised it will be less expensive. Truth is, unless you're filthy rich it will cost you more.

Trump promised to repeal the ACA. What we would get is 'ACA light'

Trump promised to control pharmaceutical prices. The plan says nothing about it.

Trump promised to sell insurance across state lines. Reality - "later gator".

That's just the highlights.

I agree with all this. The only thing Trump should have promised was to repeal the ACA. Instead congress should be using their authority to regulate Commerce to encourage the states to come up with their own schemes and scams concerning healthcare.

[RickyZ]

Healthcare, like all insurance, needs to be sold nationwide. If you don't believe me buy property in another state and garage a car there. You won't believe how convoluted it is to insure health and property in two different states. It gave me grey hair and a few new words for my vocabulary.

I think Chump has pretty much exposed himself for the liar that he is (not that Killary would have been any different on that). He promised cheaper, all inclusive health care, but he presents us with healthcare for the wealthy. He promised to drain the swamp, then stocked it with alligators. He clings to charges that he has absolutely no evidence for. This guy is a one-termer if I ever saw one.

NOW is the time to groom and present a valid third party candidate! If you vote for more of the same in 2020 (meaning anyone from the 2 major parties), you're insane to think you're going to get anything besides what we've been wallowing in since 1945.