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[What penalty should the murderer receive? What penalty should the Sodomite receive?] Forgiveness from God if they are truly sorry as Jesus paid the penalty.
In a court of law what penalty should the murder receive? What penalty should the adulterer receive?
 

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In a court of law what penalty should the murder receive? What penalty should the adulterer receive?
In a court of law a person convicted of murder would be sentenced according to the law of that particular state. Even though there are some state statutes regarding adultery they at not enforced.
 

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In a court of law what penalty should the murder receive?
The Old Testament of the Bible speaks with perfect plainness on the issue of capital punishment:
“He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death” (Exodus 21:12).

Genesis 9:6 and Leviticus 24:17 also give full authority to those sitting in judgment to execute a
murderer. Deuteronomy 19:11-13 commands unsparing punishment for such a killer: “…deliver him
into the hand of the AVENGER OF BLOOD, that he may die. Thine eye SHALL NOT PITY HIM,
but thou shalt PUT AWAY THE GUILT of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee.”


Strong words, those. The God of the Old Testament clearly favored the death penalty.
The scriptures show that Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament.
In the New Testament book of Romans, God REAFFIRMS that authority:



“Let every soul be subject unto the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
from God, and the authorities that exist [speaking of man’s governments and courts] are
appointed by God.… For he [a government or court official] is God’s minister [“servant”
or “magistrate” in some translations] to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he
does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an AVENGER TO EXECUTE
WRATH on him who practices evil” (Romans 13:1-4; New King James Version).


The God of love tells us in such scriptures as Hebrews 12:5-6 that for our own good those who
commit wrong must be corrected. Correction is the God-given means to prevent crime and other
problems. Using strong correction FORCES CHANGE in criminals convicted of lesser offenses
and eliminates entirely the threat of those convicted of violent crimes such as murder.


“Punishment, when meted out in the proper manner, and at the proper time, is one of the
greatest blessings a human being—at any age—can receive!” The reason is that if we do
not receive correction, we will proceed on a course to our own destruction (Proverbs 14:12).


Many people reject God’s clear commandments involving implementation of the death penalty.
And though the death penalty was reinstated by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976, Americans have
demenstrated a fear to sternly correct evildoers, and are vacillating in their determination to use
the God-given option of executing people for horrible wrongs.



As the late FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover once stated about our modern permissive society,
we have “substituted INDULGENCE for discipline.” The result is that our prisons are full
to overflowing and our society is inundated in violent crime.


Discipline Promptly


In Proverbs 19:18, God gives us the principle that applies to disobedient children, juvenile delinquents
or hardened criminals. We are told, “Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for
his crying” (Proverbs 19:18). There comes a point for an undisciplined child when there is no (or very
little) hope of correcting bad behavior. Often, a delinquent—and finally a hardened criminal—will result
because the parents were too soft during their child’s early years, when they had the greatest hope of
curbing the child’s self-centered and destructive ways.


As parents and as a society, we are not to “spare for his crying” by lessening the punishment. Proverbs
13:24 admonishes us, “He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him DISCIPLINES HIM
PROMPTLY” (NKJV). For the good of society and the individual, swift, stern justice must be meted
out when wrongs are brought to light.


Ecclesiastes 8:11 tells us the importance of swift punishment when it says, “Because sentence against
an evil work is not EXECUTED SPEEDILY, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them
to DO EVIL.” How clear and wise! When wrongdoing is not immediately punished, then all or almost
all of the deterrent value to any subsequent punishment is lost!


As for determining a person’s guilt, there is only one biblical rule: “Whoever kills a person, the
murderer shall be put to death on the testimony of witnesses; but one witness is not sufficient
testimony against a person for the death penalty” (Numbers 35:30). Deuteronomy 17:6 agrees:
“Whoever is worthy of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses,
but he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness” .



In God’s eyes, repeated reprieves and appeals—and now, insistence upon DNA testing to
verify guilt—should not be necessary for death-row inmates.


Ezra 7:26 guides us toward speedy response to crime by stating, “And whosoever will not do the
law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be
unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment.”


The criminal mind does not respect authority. The only thing such a person respects is equal or
stronger FORCE! And when that strong force is used immediately to severely punish an offender,
it makes others of like mind think twice before acting likewise.


However, once again, the liberal element in our society says there is little deterrent value in
punishments such as the death penalty. They have a point—but only because of how hesitant
our courts are to use the death penalty!


The Deterrence Factor


No sane man or woman wants to put another person to death. It is understandable to have
a certain degree of pity for someone who is going to die, even if he or she deserves to die.


People who commit crimes are promised a fair trial—NOT a perfect trial. Yet so many of the
habeas corpus appeals (many of which amount to little more than stalling tactics) are procedural
and/or frivolous in nature, nit-picking the court over minor imperfections in court procedure.



Flawed humans will make mistakes. But that must not stop us from following God’s plain commands!
A swift death penalty was intended by our Creator to deter or restrain additional people from com-
mitting the sin of murder. To stop or delay the death penalty because the courts are afraid of making
a mistake is direct disobedience to God and His laws!


Many a career criminal has already proven he cannot “make it” in normal society; and if he murders,
rapes, robs and commits general mayhem, SO WHAT? He knows he’ll be provided food and shelter
for the rest of his life so that he never has to work again!


Why should he fear to kill? Even though he probably murdered unmercifully, the “merciful” liberals
will see to it that HIS life is spared so that the taxpayers can support him for the next 20, 40 or 60
years in a prison environment where he is “somebody”—a “man among men” so to speak!


We must not get softer on crime, we must get tougher!


The book of Proverbs states, “When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise,”
and “Smite a scorner, and the simple will beware” (Proverbs 21:11; 19:25). People can
learn vicariously from the experiences of others!


The deterrent effect of the death penalty is muted because of current practices. But even
basic understanding of human nature tells us that, if administered properly, the death penalty
would have a significant deterrent effect!
 

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don't you think the current laws reflect where society has already gone?

rather than where it's headed?
 

notuptome

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#46
I have a difficult time believing that any person who transgresses Gods law will be persuaded to modify their behavior because of a law made by man.

Lawlessness in the heart separates man from his God and from society. One is eternal and the other only temporal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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[In a court of law what penalty should the murder receive? What penalty should the adulterer receive?] In a court of law a person convicted of murder would be sentenced according to the law of that particular state.
What should the law be? Should the murderer get orange glazed chicken for life? Should the adulterer be elected to the highest office in the land? You have a vote. Do child-killing serial adulterers get your support?


Even though there are some state statutes regarding adultery they at not enforced.
We are all informed about the just-a-system in Sodom aka America.
I'm asking you about what the law should be. Is 5:20 If you plan to judge the angels (1 Co 6:3)--not starting out so hot.
 

prove-all

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"Government is supposed to be a terror to evil works.
What happens when they are a terror to good works?"
You mean like For example, a new law passed---

Ontario new law allows govt to seize children if parents oppose their ‘gender identity’

Bill 89 or “The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017”
on June 1.https://www.rt.com/news/391164-ontario-gender-identity-children/
http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?locale=en&BillID=4479

What shoud a christian parent do if this happens to them and there kid?

There is an attack by the devil on the God ordained family structure and values.
 
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That's more promiscuity and public lewdness than homosexuality and, if it was a school talent show and he was wearing a g-string, then he could probably be charged with indecent exposure to minors.

As to whether homosexuality should be made illegal...that begs the question of at what sin do we stop at? Should all who commit adultery be charged with a crime? What what about those who lie or worship other gods? All of these things are wrong, but everyone who has lusted after anyone in mind or deed has committed adultery. Name one person other than God who has never lied. All humans worship other gods, even Christians. We don't call them gods. We call them our favorite celebrities or tv shows, or our Ipad or money. But we worship them all the same.

Some sins need to be illegal and all sin is worthy of death. But if we make all sin illegal, who's going to guard the jail? Everyone on Earth will be locked up!
 

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That's more promiscuity and public lewdness than homosexuality and, if it was a school talent show and he was wearing a g-string, then he could probably be charged with indecent exposure to minors.

As to whether homosexuality should be made illegal...that begs the question of at what sin do we stop at? Should all who commit adultery be charged with a crime? What what about those who lie or worship other gods? All of these things are wrong, but everyone who has lusted after anyone in mind or deed has committed adultery. Name one person other than God who has never lied. All humans worship other gods, even Christians. We don't call them gods. We call them our favorite celebrities or tv shows, or our Ipad or money. But we worship them all the same.

Some sins need to be illegal and all sin is worthy of death. But if we make all sin illegal, who's going to guard the jail? Everyone on Earth will be locked up!
It, adultery, certainly has been illegal in the USA and still is in other parts of the world. Carries a death sentence in some countries.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger
 
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It, adultery, certainly has been illegal in the USA and still is in other parts of the world. Carries a death sentence in some countries.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger
Yeah and adultery. But it was primarily used discriminatorily. Women got prosecuted more than men and the lower class more than the higher class. Historically, some such societies have even encouraged men to have mistresses while women were put to death for the same crime. Furthermore, everyone on Earth (except maybe asexuals) has committed adultery. Only those who have only done so in mind or through looking at porn are never prosecuted. Jesus made that clear. He also stopped the mob from killing a woman who committed adultery. Those who want adulterers put to death should first be willing to have themselves killed because who has never lusted after someone who wasn't his/her spouse?
Again, all sin is worthy of death, but God shows mercy on us. If we as a society start prosecuting people for sins we all commit yet aren't willing to be prosecuted for, then we're no better than the man in the parable who was forgiven much and refused to forgive another.
 

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troll post
 
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Title from another ongoing thread.

Homosexually is a judgment from God (Ro 1:28).


Jesus loves you (Jn 3:16). Jesus is willing to save you (2 Pe 3:9). Repent (Eze 18:30-32; Ac 17:30). Believe (Mk 9:23).
 

Dude653

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This is a news forum.
It's not your personal blog.
Stop posting nonsense that is not news.
There are plenty of Facebook groups who would engage you in your trolling
 
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This is a news forum.
It's not your personal blog.
Stop posting nonsense that is not news.
There are plenty of Facebook groups who would engage you in your trolling
Are you a Sodomite ([Ex 20:14] heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:10,13])?
 

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Are you a Sodomite ([Ex 20:14] heterosexual [Lev. 20:10–12] or homosexual [Lev. 20:10,13])?
Perhaps you should join Westboro Baptist. I'm sure you would fit right in there
 
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[Lev 18:22, 20:13, 1 Ki 14:24, Ro 1:24, 26, 27
] Perhaps you should join Westboro Baptist. I'm sure you would fit right in there
God loves fags.


We have a homo church down the road with a rainbow display outside that reads, Everybody welcome. Seriously everybody. At our church we welcome Sodomites as well. Our saying is come as you are, leave forever changed (Jn 3:16).

 

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That would be a transgender Church then
 

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stop............