2 Million Bikers Vs. 1 Million Muslims

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cavil51

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OK, let's try this again. The post is NOT about about bikers versus muslims. If anyone had bothered to follow the link listed initially they would have read this:

The "Two Million Bikers to D.C." ride honoring the armed forces and those killed on 9/11 made a loop around the Capital Beltway today.

When zone inquired as to what the event was about in post #2, I responded with:
"It was a memorial ride which was also in protestation of the planned muslim march."
(please look up the definition of ~protestation~)

greybeard had it correct in his comment in post #8:
"from what I could see it was just a 9/11 memorial ride as well as honoring the armed forces...nothing to do about the so called Muslim march."

To further illustrate this on another site it states this:
"To honor those who were killed on 9/11 and our armed forces who fought those who preciptitated this attack."

(I would list the links but obviously few bother following up on the links provided)

The original intent had nothing to do with ~bikers vs. muslims~. It was an attempt to point out christian apathy as can be seen by the link provided in post #19. It is my observation that christians are so caught up in events affecting only their immediate environment that they give little or no concern to anything outside this sphere. If you doubt this, ask how many who frequent this site even bothered to vote in the last election. (Specifically Americans)
Who, if not american christians, should have been at the forefront of an event honoring those who died. Are we not to pray for those who are afflicted? Should we not support the downtrodden? God does. Psalm 147.
Behind every reader of the names at the 9/11 memorial in New York should have been a christian in prayer for those families.

To me, it is a embarassing that ~morally bankrupt~ bikers (post #16) were the only ones that felt the need to support the victims & their families of 9/11 and the military personnel called upon to fight the subsequent battles.

Shame on us.
 
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All freedom is won by blood.

Our spiritual freedom was won on the Cross by the shedding of our Lord's blood.

Our national freedoms were won by the shed blood of our nation's youth on the battlefield.

Shed blood MUST be respected.

Throw out all the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Throw out all the oil barons running the world. These distractions target the ego-centric ''I know more than you do'' pundents who regurgitate the hyperbole and propaganda of websites without foundation or factual basis.

When you hear about 9/11 being caused by George Bush and Dick Cheney and big oil, you are seeing the deaths of american young men and women being spit nupon by people who care more about looking smart than the respect given to..

PEOPLE WHO DIED FOR YOU.

All pacifists would be in prison camps, or worse, if not for the sacrifice of soldiers. You can moan and complain and whine about how bad the government is or the opposite side of the political aisle is because a soldier went to war and paid the ultimate sacrifice.

When the ideology ( I will not call islam a theology ) tries to present itself as something it is not, on the day we remember a national tragedy CAUSED by that very flawed ideology, it needs to be countered.

By the way, unlike the great religion of peace that dismembers young girls alive with a coping saw, americans display their love of God and country by supporting said country through parades and peaceful gatherings.

Compare the two.

We are a nation founded on religious freedom and all religions must be protected under the law...but...lies are lies and truth, the Truth must always surface.
 

zone

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Shed blood MUST be respected.

Throw out all the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

Throw out all the oil barons running the world. These distractions target the ego-centric ''I know more than you do'' pundents who regurgitate the hyperbole and propaganda of websites without foundation or factual basis.

When you hear about 9/11 being caused by George Bush and Dick Cheney and big oil, you are seeing the deaths of american young men and women being spit nupon by people who care more about looking smart than the respect given to..

PEOPLE WHO DIED FOR YOU.
[video=youtube;f_tFKa2_YBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_tFKa2_YBQ[/video]

All pacifists would be in prison camps, or worse, if not for the sacrifice of soldiers. You can moan and complain and whine about how bad the government is or the opposite side of the political aisle is because a soldier went to war and paid the ultimate sacrifice.

When the ideology ( I will not call islam a theology ) tries to present itself as something it is not, on the day we remember a national tragedy CAUSED by that very flawed ideology, it needs to be countered.


By the way, unlike the great religion of peace that dismembers young girls alive with a coping saw, americans display their love of God and country by supporting said country through parades and peaceful gatherings.
 

zone

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We are a nation founded on religious freedom and all religions must be protected under the law...but...lies are lies and truth, the Truth must always surface.
[video=youtube;7E3oIbO0AWE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE[/video]

911 Loose Change (full-length)
 

T_Laurich

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OK, let's try this again. The post is NOT about about bikers versus muslims. If anyone had bothered to follow the link listed initially they would have read this: (shortened for length)
I did look at your link and read it... I saw a bunch of pictures praising these bikers than pictures with the word 'fail' stamped across Muslims faces... and the third post in the thread your second comment says
It was a memorial ride which was also in protestation of the planned muslim march.
Which is incorrect! The parade around DC was strictly directed towards those involved with 911... Not to protest another group...

Here is a paragraph from your own source
On the Facebook page, the community purpose is described as: “To honor those who were killed on 911 and our armed forces who fought those who precipitated this attack!”
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/bikers-to-counter-muslim-march/#B6KtSvjR2BwJTLf8.99
I also did research the word 'protestation' but apparently you did not read your own sources... Where did the organization of the 2 million bikers say they were protesting the muslims??? If anything by reading and watching interviews they would be protesting the Government that aloud the 'bigotry'...

Yuu can argue your thing by saying
When I informed any of these about the proposed ~muslim march~ they were aghast.
However how does that make them protesting??? Let me put it this way, if I an American want to die my hair pink and protest everyone who doesn't... Does that make all of America equal in my protest against people without pink hair??? Or how about since you claim to be Christian.. Does 1 protestant speak for all of us or 1 baptist or pentecostal or ect...Or are we spoke for by our Lord Jesus Christ???
 

T_Laurich

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And please don't say that we went to fight the Muslims after 911... We went to fight Iraq as a country and conquered it very quickly... Then we were attacked by the 'Taliban' (a guerrilla rebel militia force)and that's why we are fighting them now...
 
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So what was the 'mission statement' or goal of the muslim march?
 

T_Laurich

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The original one was to defeat the fear Americans had against the Muslim religion due to 911
 
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Grey

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OK, let's try this again. The post is NOT about about bikers versus muslims. .
The threads not about Bikers vs. Muslims eh?

Lets take a look at the title

[h=2]2 Million Bikers Vs. 1 Million Muslims[/h]
hm something is a touch misleading here.
 
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Hmm... bikers are known for being nomads and travelers, often without kids, or not taking of them. While Christians tend to be more family and local community oriented. Often having jobs and children and not able to just gather en masse. Also, wasn't the biker thing... well, aimed at bikers, and for bikers? Why would most Christians know about it, or be invited? I think that may have something to do with it.

I don't really understand why you would expect one culture to create something, and then wonder why a different culture did show up too./QUOTE]

Well, let's see. My Pastor is a biker. My Assistant Pastor is a biker. My wife is a biker. One of my sons is a biker. One of my christian brothers who has a ministry that repairs homes for the poor is a biker. My chiropractor is a biker. Another biker brother has a ministry that feeds the homeless. This one ministry I work for occasionally - has several bikers who donate their time to obtain furniture for the poor. Practically EVERY biker I know has a wife / family / job.

When I informed any of these about the proposed ~muslim march~ they were aghast.


See, what you failed to list amongst your descriptors is that a majority of bikers are veterans. People that were in life and death conflict with muslims in the middle east during their service in the military. For muslims to even select 9/11 as date for a ~march~ offended the sensibilities of my CHRISTIAN biker brothers who fought in the middle east tremendously! For christians to not be offended by this ~march~ literally astounds me. Some (christians) were apparantly, as they showed up to counter this activity.

If this is not understandable to any, there is nothing I can say to make it so.

And, to characterize bikers as nomadic, that they abandon their children, are unemployed, unmarried, & societally aloof is an assumption on your part and you know what they say when one ~assumes~ anything.



A Christian who considers himself a biker is what small percentage of the Christian population?
And it doesn't change the fact that a secular culture steeped in violence and drugs is not likely to go out and actively share their planned events, legal or not, with a predominately non-biker Christian culture. Nor is the predominately non-biker Christian culture not likely to go seeking the plans of non-Christian bikers. So just because a handful of Christians call themselves bikers don't mean Christians are suddenly in the loop with secular bikers events. Your argument is invalid because my original point still applies.

And i know about Christian bikers. I've met some myself. Sounds like YOU"RE the one 'assuming' things about me. Its funny you're having hissy fits about everyones response to this when you've done such a poor job handling this entire thing from the beginning. From the misleading title to the accusation that Christians somehow failed to show up for something they didn't know about. And now trying to insult me for doing something that you're guilty of.

Thanks to your insulting attitude,prideful attitude, weak argument, poorly put together thread, and your inability to realize all this in the face of the majority thinking this, i now know what kind of person you are and to avoid any more contact with you.
 

cavil51

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I can not even begin to communicate how excited I am about the responses this thread has received. In merely contemplating my next post I experienced the quickening moving in me.
Awesome!
The responses so gloriously illustrate Queen Gertrude's observation: "The lady doth protests too much, methinks."
Putting aside the personal attacks, the questioning of my faith, the out right display of discrimination and hostility, the reality remains.
Not once has my basic premise been discussed or deliberated.That being that christians today are oblivious to what is going on about them. They wrap themselves in a cocoon of piety rarely venturing beyond it. They absolve themselves of any responsibility for society with the refrain: "It's all in God's hands".
Who are "God's hands"?
WE ARE!
Who will feed the hungry if we do not? Who will return this country to it's Judea-christian roots if we do not? Who will stand up to injustice if we do not? Who will demand accountability from individuals and their actions if we do not? Who will elect responsible representatives to government if we do not?
Until someone wishes to discuss this lack of participation by christians in society today, posts to this thread aside from that are essentially inconsequential and irrelevant.
My pastor continually repeats this phrase: "If you want to walk on water - you gotta get out of the boat!"
Great words to live by.
 

zone

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Who will demand accountability from individuals and their actions if we do not? Who will elect responsible representatives to government if we do not?
who would be an example of a responsible representative to government in your opinion?
 

cavil51

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who would be an example of a responsible representative to government in your opinion?
Dan Lungren would be a local example for one, zone.
I watched him on the floor of congress speaking of God and it truly moved me.
 

zone

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Dan Lungren would be a local example for one, zone.
I watched him on the floor of congress speaking of God and it truly moved me.
[video=youtube;xO6oxYD3QBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO6oxYD3QBQ[/video]

Dan Lungren Supports Torture

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(and supports John McCain)

k....thx.:)
 

cavil51

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[video=youtube;xO6oxYD3QBQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO6oxYD3QBQ[/video]

Dan Lungren Supports Torture

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(and supports John McCain)

k....thx.:)
zone, you asked - I answered in honesty - if your only intent is to breed disharmony - duly noted.
(and no, did not bother even watching video)
 
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leonardronaldo

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And please don't say that we went to fight the Muslims after 911... We went to fight Iraq as a country and conquered it very quickly... Then we were attacked by the 'Taliban' (a guerrilla rebel militia force)and that's why we are fighting them now...
Christ never commanded to fight, though. so you're right, as a country.
 
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MissLee

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It gave me goosebumps seeing them riding down past Dulles.
 

zone

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zone, you asked - I answered in honesty - if your only intent is to breed disharmony - duly noted.
(and no, did not bother even watching video)
breed disharmony?
i know you answered honestly.
and i honestly disagreed.
that's not acceptable in your call for 'unity'?
 
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Must be different in America, but in Australia Bikers are organised criminal gangs dealing in drugs, prostitution and murder.