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could you just source the actual photographic evidence of the list of atrocities you cited earlier?
PM me if they are too graphic for the forum:
these claims: i would really like to see any evidence or reports from varying sources.
'Eyes gouged out, bodies hanging from hooks, and fingers removed with pliers': Horrific claims of torture emerge as soldiers reveal gory Kenyan mall massacre details
Kenyan soldiers claim to find scenes of torture by mall terrorists
They say children found dead in food fridges with knives still in bodies
Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed
PM me if they are too graphic for the forum:
these claims: i would really like to see any evidence or reports from varying sources.
'Eyes gouged out, bodies hanging from hooks, and fingers removed with pliers': Horrific claims of torture emerge as soldiers reveal gory Kenyan mall massacre details
Kenyan soldiers claim to find scenes of torture by mall terrorists
They say children found dead in food fridges with knives still in bodies
Men were said to have been castrated and had fingers removed
where are the CCTV videos of the attack in progress?
where are ANY shots of the terrorists?
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this from CBS:
CBS NEWS/ September 24, 2013, 9:36
Kenya mall attacker reportedly apologized to, freed British boy, 4, who called him "a very bad man"
LONDON One of the attackers behind the deadly siege on a mall in Kenya reportedly pleaded for forgiveness and gave a four-year-old British boy chocolate bars after the youngster called him "a very bad man."
According to U.K. newspaper The Sun, Elliott Prior, from Berkshire, England, stood up to the gunman to protect his sister Amelie, 6, and his mother Amber, who was shot in the leg in the attack on the Westgate mall in Nairobi.
"You're a bad man, let us leave," Elliott shouted at the gunman, according to his uncle Alex Coutts, who spoke to The Sun for an article published Tuesday.
The militant from the al Qaeda-linked Somali terror group al-Shabab allegedly gave him a couple Mars bars and told his family: "Please forgive me, we are not monsters," before letting them escape.
A picture taken by the Getty photo agency captured the moment the three survivors left the mall, with Elliott still clutching the chocolate bars.
Coutts, 42, told The Sun his relatives "had a lucky escape."
"The terrorists said if any kids were alive in the supermarket they could leave. Amber made a decision to stand up and say, 'Yes'. Then Elliott argued with them and called them bad men. He was very brave," said Coutts.
A woman identified as Amber Prior and her two children escape from the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, Sept. 21, 2013. / AP
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Amber Prior
Executive Producer at Quite Bright Films
Kenya Media Production
Amber Prior's Experience
Executive Producer
Quite Bright Films
2004 – Present (9 years)
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alex coutts
senior producer at quitebrightfilms
Kenya Media Production
alex coutts's Overview
Current
senior producer at quitebrightfilms
alex coutts' Experience
senior producer
quitebrightfilms
Currently holds this position
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Quite Bright Films (QBF) is based in Nairobi and is one of the leading production houses in the Sub Saharan African region. We produce content including Commercial, Factual, Drama and Corporate programming. Our mission is to continue growing Kenya’s leading production company. As Kenyans, we want to be a driving force in building and empowering our local production infrastructure, facilities and professional skill set.
QBF - VFX
QBF - History
where are ANY shots of the terrorists?
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this from CBS:
CBS NEWS/ September 24, 2013, 9:36
Kenya mall attacker reportedly apologized to, freed British boy, 4, who called him "a very bad man"
LONDON One of the attackers behind the deadly siege on a mall in Kenya reportedly pleaded for forgiveness and gave a four-year-old British boy chocolate bars after the youngster called him "a very bad man."
According to U.K. newspaper The Sun, Elliott Prior, from Berkshire, England, stood up to the gunman to protect his sister Amelie, 6, and his mother Amber, who was shot in the leg in the attack on the Westgate mall in Nairobi.
"You're a bad man, let us leave," Elliott shouted at the gunman, according to his uncle Alex Coutts, who spoke to The Sun for an article published Tuesday.
The militant from the al Qaeda-linked Somali terror group al-Shabab allegedly gave him a couple Mars bars and told his family: "Please forgive me, we are not monsters," before letting them escape.
A picture taken by the Getty photo agency captured the moment the three survivors left the mall, with Elliott still clutching the chocolate bars.
Coutts, 42, told The Sun his relatives "had a lucky escape."
"The terrorists said if any kids were alive in the supermarket they could leave. Amber made a decision to stand up and say, 'Yes'. Then Elliott argued with them and called them bad men. He was very brave," said Coutts.
A woman identified as Amber Prior and her two children escape from the Westgate Mall in Nairobi, Kenya, Sept. 21, 2013. / AP
....
Amber Prior
Executive Producer at Quite Bright Films
Kenya Media Production
Amber Prior's Experience
Executive Producer
Quite Bright Films
2004 – Present (9 years)
.....
alex coutts
senior producer at quitebrightfilms
Kenya Media Production
alex coutts's Overview
Current
senior producer at quitebrightfilms
alex coutts' Experience
senior producer
quitebrightfilms
Currently holds this position
....
Quite Bright Films (QBF) is based in Nairobi and is one of the leading production houses in the Sub Saharan African region. We produce content including Commercial, Factual, Drama and Corporate programming. Our mission is to continue growing Kenya’s leading production company. As Kenyans, we want to be a driving force in building and empowering our local production infrastructure, facilities and professional skill set.
QBF - VFX
QBF - History
if i recall, we had somebody on CC posting this photo of a fuel tanker accident REPEATEDLY - and labeling it Christians are burnt alive in Nigeria by Muslims terrorists - complete with fabricated details.
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False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists
Outline
Widely circulated message claims that an attached photograph shows the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a massacre perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.
Brief Analysis
The photograph is genuine, but it does not show the aftermath of a terrorist attack, but rather the bodies of people burned in a fuel tanker explosion in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While Nigeria has a long and bloody history of religiously motivated violence, this explosion was a tragic accident and was not the work of Muslim terrorists. Nor was it in any way targeted at Christians. The claims in the protest message have no basis in fact.
THE LIE:
This is a brutal example of how far the struggle between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria has reached.
Muslims are determined to impose their 'religion' all over Africa as well as in other continents and countries
of the world. Islam has but one goal: rule the world at any cost!"
"And where are the International Human Rights Organizations?
Christians are burnt alive in Nigeria: a horrific Holocaust right in front of International indifference!
As denounced by Father Juan Carlos Martos, on behalf of the Missionari Clarettiani, via del Sacro Cuore di Maria, Rome, Italy."
"By publishing this graphic document on Facebook, I have intended to make the world aware of certain terrible events totally ignored or minimized by the mainstream media; an authentic genocide so cruel and inhuman only comparable with the most hateful and vile acts in the nazi extermination camps."
"To my great surprise, Facebook has criticized me for the publication of this graphic document as a proof of the Holocaust that Christians have been suffering in Nigeria in the last ten years. According to Facebook's Security policy of the 'social' Network, this photo has been classified as 'pornographic', 'violent' or 'inappropriate' and hence I was disallowed to publish any picture for a week. And I was threatened drastic measures if I insist publishing any document that prove the terrible violations of Human Rights in Nigeria.
This attitude by the (Spanish) Facebook Management is an attack to the freedom of expression as much as a shameful insult to the 500 victims (only in this horrible episode) slaughtered by islamic terror only for being christian."
"I thought that this social network, originated in the United States, would not bend its knees in front of terror Especially, when still healing their wounds suffered in the gruesome 9/11 attack, just as our own 3/11 at Madrid railway station, all innocent victims of the wild fury and insanity of islamic terror."
"This seems even more unacceptable in Spain, a Democratic state, where the rights of opinion, expression and religion are guaranteed by the Constitution (Art. 16 and 20), if there is an attempt to limit such rights, let alone through threats and coercion thus weakening their freedom of expression by condemning as "inappropriate" a graphic document (not a photomontage) which reflects a brutal reality in all its crudeness."
"Contrarily, the Administrators of Facebook Spain should welcome this public protest advocating that such a barbarian act will never be replicated and that its perpetrators will be brought to justice. This is a right and duty of every citizen: a service to society, ultimate goal, I feel, of any network that defines itself as 'social'."
"Regrettably, if the murders continue, this is greatly because truth is always hidden to the sovereign people, so that they may not be aware and 'disdained' by it: complicit silence by the mainstream media leads to the indifference of the international political community facing this unspeakable Holocaust! Let alone the cowardice already rooted in the western world facing the islamic terror. A consequence of the stupid "Alliance of civilizations": another regrettable incident of our former Prime Minister Rodriguez Zapatero."
"Can you imagine the reaction of the islamic terrorist organization in the (impossible) case of a massacre of Muslims in a mosque, by the hands of christian terrorists? And how widely would our media cover and condemn the crime and the criminals??"
"Therefore, from this modest blog, I ask a favor from all people who are reading me: please distribute this photo and its comments using all the media you have. If only for commemorating these martyrs since, unfortunately, Facebook seems to be on the side of the executioners by preventing the publication of such tragic events."
- SARAH MARIE BRENNER
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Many articles about the explosion use the same image featured in the above protest message. Other news articles show the same scene after the bodies have been bagged and prepared for burial in mass graves.
The explosion was a result of a tragic accident and was certainly not a Muslim terrorist attack against Christians. Moreover, while there has been a long history of religiously motivated violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, there are no credible reports of a massacre like the one described in the above message. Thus, it seems that the creator of the message has taken an unrelated image and simply invented a story to go with it in an effort to further his or her own agenda.
False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists < click
SO FORGIVE ME IF I WANT SOME EVIDENCE FOR A CHANGE.
and the The Washington Times is hardly a credible source for ANYTHING.
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Sara Marie Brenner Now Writing For The Washington Times Communities Page
Sara Marie Brenner, creator of TheBrennerBrief.com and host of The Brenner Brief Show, will be joining The Washington Times as a paid writer for the communities page. Brenner expects to write a column most weekdays focusing on politics from a “conservatarian” angle.
washington times communities“It is truly an honor to be writing for such a distinguished media outlet,” Brenner said. “The Times has a powerful reputation of delivering news that is among the most unbiased in the legacy media. My days are dedicated to getting the truth out about what is going on in America and the world, and this platform will help that message reach even more people.”
...
False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists
Outline
Widely circulated message claims that an attached photograph shows the charred bodies of 500 Nigerian Christians burned in a massacre perpetrated by Muslim terrorists.
Brief Analysis
The photograph is genuine, but it does not show the aftermath of a terrorist attack, but rather the bodies of people burned in a fuel tanker explosion in the Democratic Republic of Congo. While Nigeria has a long and bloody history of religiously motivated violence, this explosion was a tragic accident and was not the work of Muslim terrorists. Nor was it in any way targeted at Christians. The claims in the protest message have no basis in fact.
THE LIE:
This is a brutal example of how far the struggle between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria has reached.
Muslims are determined to impose their 'religion' all over Africa as well as in other continents and countries
of the world. Islam has but one goal: rule the world at any cost!"
"And where are the International Human Rights Organizations?
Christians are burnt alive in Nigeria: a horrific Holocaust right in front of International indifference!
As denounced by Father Juan Carlos Martos, on behalf of the Missionari Clarettiani, via del Sacro Cuore di Maria, Rome, Italy."
"By publishing this graphic document on Facebook, I have intended to make the world aware of certain terrible events totally ignored or minimized by the mainstream media; an authentic genocide so cruel and inhuman only comparable with the most hateful and vile acts in the nazi extermination camps."
"To my great surprise, Facebook has criticized me for the publication of this graphic document as a proof of the Holocaust that Christians have been suffering in Nigeria in the last ten years. According to Facebook's Security policy of the 'social' Network, this photo has been classified as 'pornographic', 'violent' or 'inappropriate' and hence I was disallowed to publish any picture for a week. And I was threatened drastic measures if I insist publishing any document that prove the terrible violations of Human Rights in Nigeria.
This attitude by the (Spanish) Facebook Management is an attack to the freedom of expression as much as a shameful insult to the 500 victims (only in this horrible episode) slaughtered by islamic terror only for being christian."
"I thought that this social network, originated in the United States, would not bend its knees in front of terror Especially, when still healing their wounds suffered in the gruesome 9/11 attack, just as our own 3/11 at Madrid railway station, all innocent victims of the wild fury and insanity of islamic terror."
"This seems even more unacceptable in Spain, a Democratic state, where the rights of opinion, expression and religion are guaranteed by the Constitution (Art. 16 and 20), if there is an attempt to limit such rights, let alone through threats and coercion thus weakening their freedom of expression by condemning as "inappropriate" a graphic document (not a photomontage) which reflects a brutal reality in all its crudeness."
"Contrarily, the Administrators of Facebook Spain should welcome this public protest advocating that such a barbarian act will never be replicated and that its perpetrators will be brought to justice. This is a right and duty of every citizen: a service to society, ultimate goal, I feel, of any network that defines itself as 'social'."
"Regrettably, if the murders continue, this is greatly because truth is always hidden to the sovereign people, so that they may not be aware and 'disdained' by it: complicit silence by the mainstream media leads to the indifference of the international political community facing this unspeakable Holocaust! Let alone the cowardice already rooted in the western world facing the islamic terror. A consequence of the stupid "Alliance of civilizations": another regrettable incident of our former Prime Minister Rodriguez Zapatero."
"Can you imagine the reaction of the islamic terrorist organization in the (impossible) case of a massacre of Muslims in a mosque, by the hands of christian terrorists? And how widely would our media cover and condemn the crime and the criminals??"
"Therefore, from this modest blog, I ask a favor from all people who are reading me: please distribute this photo and its comments using all the media you have. If only for commemorating these martyrs since, unfortunately, Facebook seems to be on the side of the executioners by preventing the publication of such tragic events."
- SARAH MARIE BRENNER
.........................
Many articles about the explosion use the same image featured in the above protest message. Other news articles show the same scene after the bodies have been bagged and prepared for burial in mass graves.
The explosion was a result of a tragic accident and was certainly not a Muslim terrorist attack against Christians. Moreover, while there has been a long history of religiously motivated violence between Muslims and Christians in Nigeria, there are no credible reports of a massacre like the one described in the above message. Thus, it seems that the creator of the message has taken an unrelated image and simply invented a story to go with it in an effort to further his or her own agenda.
False Protest Message Claims Picture Shows 500 Christians Burned By Muslim Terrorists < click
SO FORGIVE ME IF I WANT SOME EVIDENCE FOR A CHANGE.
and the The Washington Times is hardly a credible source for ANYTHING.
....
Sara Marie Brenner Now Writing For The Washington Times Communities Page
Sara Marie Brenner, creator of TheBrennerBrief.com and host of The Brenner Brief Show, will be joining The Washington Times as a paid writer for the communities page. Brenner expects to write a column most weekdays focusing on politics from a “conservatarian” angle.
washington times communities“It is truly an honor to be writing for such a distinguished media outlet,” Brenner said. “The Times has a powerful reputation of delivering news that is among the most unbiased in the legacy media. My days are dedicated to getting the truth out about what is going on in America and the world, and this platform will help that message reach even more people.”
S
Do you think this is a false flag event, and if so what possible value would it have? Muslims have been killing Christians in Africa and the Middle East for decades now. There is no need to have a false flag terror attack there against Christians, it happens just due to the passage of time.
I've found pictures of bodies, but no CCTV and no castrated bodies. Those are the kinds of pictures that may never be released.
I've found pictures of bodies, but no CCTV and no castrated bodies. Those are the kinds of pictures that may never be released.
i'm well aware muslims have been killing people.
so have christians.
and so have jews
and everybody else on earth.
MY POINT IS, and always is: WHY do we have the EXTRA fabrications continually?
are the killings that happen not SENSATIONAL ENOUGH?
have you looked at those blatant CNN HOAX reports from supposed Kuwait?
i want to know WHY they have to fabricate and lie, through total deception on the NEWS?
not enough sensational events to move nations and entities to outrage and outright war?
NO CCTV film..none.
and of course we're not ever going to see any REAL evidence of these babies in refrigerators with knives sticking out them - it's ABSURD. like the Incubator babies!
NO CCTV VIDEOS - and this from an Israeli owned MALL and well known to be frequented by Israelis - like they are NOT going to have the highest tech survelliance?
Westgate Mall owned by Frank Lowy, a former IDF demolitions expert, and coincidentally a partner with Larry Silverstein in the Twin Towers Insurance windfall.
as for photos of the bodies, well....i've looked at them as well. HIGHLY SUSPECT.
there may indeed have been people murdered and shot or hurt - BUT THIS WAS A FALSE FLAG EVENT.
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like.....?????
how many Israeli false flags do we have ON RECORD already?
nobody every discusses them - FEAR.
i don't need to go into them again...they are ON RECORD.
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the Mossad is ON RECORD running kiosks in American malls as intelligence gathering centers.
when they were discovered near 9-11 they were ALL GONE THE NEXT DAY.
it takes very little to find this out - but if we refuse to believe it to begin with, the facts are just totally ignored.
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Written by Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive (1 March 2001)
25 February 2006 15:29
Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, ONCIX Archives, report mirrored on 25 February 2006 from: http://www.ncix.gov/archives/nacic/news/2001/mar01.html#a1
Suspicious Visitors to Federal Facilities
In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings.
If challenged, the individuals state that they are delivering artwork from a studio in Miami, Florida, called Universal Art, Inc, or that they are art students and are looking for opinions regarding their work. These individuals have been described as aggressive. They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales pitch.
Federal police officers have arrested two of these individuals for trespassing and discovered that the suspects possessed counterfeit work visas and green cards. These individuals have also gone to the private residences of senior federal officials under the guise of selling art.
Other reporting indicates that there may be two groups involved, and they refer to themselves as "Israeli art students." One group has an apparently legitimate money- making goal while the second, perhaps a non-Israeli group, may have ties to a Middle Eastern Islamic fundamentalist group.
Federal employees observing any activity similar to that described above should report their observations to appropriate security officials.
aldeilis.net < click
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Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities
Backgound:
In January, 2001, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Office of Security Programs (IS), began to receive reports of Israeli art students attempting to penetrate several DEA Field Offices in the continental United States. Additionally, there have been reports of Israeli art students visiting the homes of numerous DEA employees. These incidents have occurred since at least the beginning of 2000, and have continued to the present. The number of reported incidents increased in November/December 2000, and has continued to date. These incidents have involved several other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies, with contacts made at other agencies' facilities and the residences of their employees. Geographically, these incidents are very widespread, ranging from California to Florida. The majority of the incidents have occurred in the southern half of the continental U.S. with the most activity reported in the state of Florida. Since April 2001, the number of reported incidents has declined, however, the geographic spread of the incidents has increased to Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Los Angeles.
The activities of these Israeli art students raised the suspicion of IS and other field offices when attempts were made to circumvent the access control systems at DEA offices, and when these individuals began to solicit their paintings at the homes of DEA employees. The nature of the individuals' conduct, combined with intelligence information and historical information regarding past incidents involving Israeli Organized Crime, leads IS to believe the incidents may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity. It is believed by IS that these incidents should not be the basis for any immediate concern for the safety and security of DEA personnel, however, employees should continue to exercise due caution in safeguarding information relating to DEA investigations, or activities.....
Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students at DEA Facilities < click
^ scroll through this : Cryptome has documentation - all of it.
example:
Tinker Air Force Base
175. On April 30,2001, an Air Force alert was issued from Tinker Air Force (TAFB), in Oklahoma City concerning a "possible intelligence collection effort being conducted by Israeli Art Students". On May 16, 2001, U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (OSI), TAFB, and the Midwest City Police Department (MCPD), requested assistance from I&NS Oklahoma City to a location in Midwest City, OK It was indicated that four (4) individuals from Israel had been encountered by the MCPD attempting to sell art in the Midwest City area.
176. On May 17th, four (4) Israeli art students were reported in the Midwest City, OK area. They stated they were there "to present and promote" Israeli art. MCPD located and detained the 4 individuals, all whom were in violation of their visas. Their vehicle was obtained also. The four were identified as:
Name DOB POB Israeli Passort # US Visa #
Yaron OHANA 02-04-78 Haifa, Israel 8421721 42252049
Ronen KALFON 04-13-76 Haifa, Israel 8168262 35966019
Zeev COHEN 03-26-78 Haifa, Israel 5524033 33331965
Naor TOPAZ 06-08-77 Haifa, Israel 8081705 33306515
All 4 were charged with violating the status of their visas -- to wit selling art, and were booked into the Oklahoma City jail by I&NS. All 4 requested voluntary departure. Bond was initially set at $25,000 for each. All 4 had in their possession, pre-purchased return airfare to Bangkok, Thailand. FBI OKC requested that the "Students" be held for debrief/interview.
anyways....
Special Reports Last Updated: Jun 19th, 2009 - 00:55:49
Mossad still stalking malls near U.S. military bases
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Jun 19, 2009, 00:18
(WMR) -- Cells of young Israeli intelligence operatives continue to openly solicit relationships with U.S. military personnel from shopping mall kiosks, according to an informed source.
WMR has learned that one such kiosk operates at the MacArthur Center Mall in Norfolk, Virginia, where a number of U.S. Navy personnel from the nearby naval bases are regularly confronted by aggressive young Israelis selling Dead Sea cosmetic products who inquire about where the personnel are stationed and the nature of their jobs. Young Israeli women working at the kiosk also appear to want to strike up a closer relationship with some of the naval personnel.
The use of young Israelis, many of whom continue to serve in a reserve status with the Israel Defense Force, as intelligence agents, has changed somewhat over the past decade. Young Israeli “art students” first conducted unsolicited visits to the homes and offices of federal and military employees trying to sell cheap Chinese-made bogus Israeli artwork while casing neighborhoods and office buildings.
Israeli-operated mall kiosks have transitioned from selling toys to cosmetics.
On August 7, 2005, WMR reported: In November 2001, the INS arrested several Israelis, including some with military backgrounds, selling Puzzle Car and Zoom Copter toys from shopping mall kiosks and vending carts. Many of the malls were located near U.S. government facilities, including the Pentagon and CIA. A majority of the Israelis, arrested for visa violations instead of espionage, worked for a Florida-based company called Quality Sales. A spokesman for the company admitted the company hired vacationing Israeli students but they had the wrong visas. The spokesman also revealed the Israelis were deemed “special interest” cases by INS-- a new government designation applied to terrorism suspects in the wake of 911. Federal authorities suspect the Israelis were using the kiosks as intelligence fronts in the same manner that Israelis were using door-to-door art sales as covers. The National Counterintelligence Center (NCIX) stated in a report issued in March 2001 that, “In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings.” The report was temporarily removed from the NCIX web site.
One of the malls where the Israeli”toy sellers” based their operations was the Pentagon City Mall, just across Interstate 395 from the Pentagon. In July 2004, the mall served as the rendezvous point for alleged Israeli Pentagon spy Larry Franklin and Keith Weissman, an AIPAC official. Franklin warned Weissman that Iranian agents were going to start attacking American soldiers and Israeli agents in Iraq. Weissman then went to brief the account of the meeting to Steve Rosen, another senior AIPAC official. They both informed the Israeli embassy in Washington and Glenn Kessler, a reporter for The Washington Post. Those phone calls were being wiretapped by the FBI as part of its investigation of a major Israeli spy ring in the United States, an investigation that had been going on since before the 9/11 attacks. The FBI was also monitoring meetings between Franklin, Weissman, and Rosen, including one held in February 2003 at the Arlington, Virginia, Ritz-Carlton hotel, which adjoins the Pentagon City Mall.
In February 2005, an Israeli man named Ohad Cohen was deported, along with four other Israelis, from Omaha, Nebraska. In what was becoming a common occurrence in the United States, a total of 10 Israelis, who were working at shopping mall kiosks in the Omaha and Lincoln areas, were deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials for illegally working in the United States on tourist visas. The Israelis operated out of Omaha’s Oak View Mall and Lincoln’s Gateway Westfield Mall. The Federal government probe was reported to be part of a wider probe of Israeli shopping mall kiosk activity throughout the Midwest. In December 2004, FBI and immigration officers arrested 15 Israelis in Minnesota and three operating from a mall kiosk in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Omaha is also the headquarters of the U.S. Air Force Strategic Air Command (SAC).
On January 13, 2009, WMR reported: WMR has also learned of other Israeli mall kiosks around the country that hired aggressive Israeli young men and women who badger customers and ask personal questions. Israeli mall kiosks engaged in the aggressive sales practices have been set up at the North Shore Mall in Peabody, Massachusetts, and Northeast Mall in Hurst, Texas, a Dallas suburb. The mall kiosks in Peabody sell Israeli hand cream and nail files. The kiosk in Hurst has a male overseer, about 45 years old, who lives in the Bahamas.
Many of the Israeli mall vendors claim ignorance when told by customers that Israeli mall kiosks were identified as Mossad front operations in a Fox News report. More incredibly, some Israelis feign ignorance when the term “9/11” is used. They claim not to know what the term means.
In the same report, WMR reported: Last month, police in New South Wales, Australia, arrested the leader of an Israeli “art student” ring who was selling mass-produced paintings from China as valuable artwork from Israel. The Israeli man arrested, age 23, fit the profile of a number of Israeli “art students” rounded up, detained, and deported by U.S. authorities in the months prior to 9/11. The “art students” were casing federal offices, military installations, and the homes of federal agents and officials.
The Israeli was arrested by police in Wamberal on Australia’s eastern central coast. Fifty Chinese-made oil paintings were found in the Israeli’s Mitsubishi station wagon. He was attempting to sell the paintings for between 500 and 1,000 Australian dollars. The Israelis in Australia visited a number of homes and claimed they were university students from Israel. The Israeli arrested lived in Sydney’s Bondi Beach neighborhood.
Recently, there was yet another story about the use of Israeli mall kiosk operators as intelligence agents. In the most recent case in Perth, Australia, an Australian man was arrested and charged with violation of an Australian hate crime law for exposing the activities of Israeli-run mall kiosks owned by an Israeli firm in Melbourne whose products are called “Seacret -- Minerals From The Dead Sea.” The president of the Australian Union of Jewish Students lodged a criminal complaint against the investigator who maintained that Israeli nationals were attempting to obtain classified information on the Royal Australian Navy’s Collins class submarine as well as other defense programs.
- the Wayne Madsen Report.
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example:
FRANK LOWY :
Westfield sold seven U.S. malls in April 2012 to Starwood for $1 billion: Chicago Ridge Mall in Chicago; Gateway Mall in Lincoln, Neb; Metreon in San Francisco; Louis Joliet Mall in Chicago; Solano Mall in Fairfield, Calif.; SouthPark Mall in Cleveland; and Westland Mall, Miami. Collectively, the malls consisted of more than 6.6 million square feet.
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Lichtblau, Eric. "Pentagon Analyst Admits Sharing Secret Data." New York Times, 6 Oct. 2005. [http://www.nytimes.com]
On 5 October 2005, former senior Defense Department analyst Lawrence A. Franklin "pleaded guilty in federal court" in Alexandria, Virginia, "to three criminal counts for improperly retaining and disclosing classified information.... The offenses carry a maximum of 25 years in prison, but as part of a plea agreement, prosecutors are expected to recommend leniency" in return for Franklin's "cooperation in a continuing investigation in the January trial of ... Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman," former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Spy Cases - U.S. - Franklin < click
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so ppl can post unsubstantiated reports all about this Clash of Civilizations. and much of it will of course be true.
i do not have never denied the antichrist and violent actions of these radical Islamic nutjobs - BUT HOW MANY OF THEM THE REAL THING. that's what i question.
more and more these events are so clearly seen to be STAGED - fake blood and totally unrealistic scenes - perfectly framed photo ops - in the middle of supposed machine gun fire and all that other stuff. it's getting RIDICULOUS.
but how much evidence is required before ppl at least admit YOUR BFF doesn't commit treason and espionage against you on a regular basis while prodding you into wars THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
Mossad still stalking malls near U.S. military bases
By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer
Jun 19, 2009, 00:18
(WMR) -- Cells of young Israeli intelligence operatives continue to openly solicit relationships with U.S. military personnel from shopping mall kiosks, according to an informed source.
WMR has learned that one such kiosk operates at the MacArthur Center Mall in Norfolk, Virginia, where a number of U.S. Navy personnel from the nearby naval bases are regularly confronted by aggressive young Israelis selling Dead Sea cosmetic products who inquire about where the personnel are stationed and the nature of their jobs. Young Israeli women working at the kiosk also appear to want to strike up a closer relationship with some of the naval personnel.
The use of young Israelis, many of whom continue to serve in a reserve status with the Israel Defense Force, as intelligence agents, has changed somewhat over the past decade. Young Israeli “art students” first conducted unsolicited visits to the homes and offices of federal and military employees trying to sell cheap Chinese-made bogus Israeli artwork while casing neighborhoods and office buildings.
Israeli-operated mall kiosks have transitioned from selling toys to cosmetics.
On August 7, 2005, WMR reported: In November 2001, the INS arrested several Israelis, including some with military backgrounds, selling Puzzle Car and Zoom Copter toys from shopping mall kiosks and vending carts. Many of the malls were located near U.S. government facilities, including the Pentagon and CIA. A majority of the Israelis, arrested for visa violations instead of espionage, worked for a Florida-based company called Quality Sales. A spokesman for the company admitted the company hired vacationing Israeli students but they had the wrong visas. The spokesman also revealed the Israelis were deemed “special interest” cases by INS-- a new government designation applied to terrorism suspects in the wake of 911. Federal authorities suspect the Israelis were using the kiosks as intelligence fronts in the same manner that Israelis were using door-to-door art sales as covers. The National Counterintelligence Center (NCIX) stated in a report issued in March 2001 that, “In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings.” The report was temporarily removed from the NCIX web site.
One of the malls where the Israeli”toy sellers” based their operations was the Pentagon City Mall, just across Interstate 395 from the Pentagon. In July 2004, the mall served as the rendezvous point for alleged Israeli Pentagon spy Larry Franklin and Keith Weissman, an AIPAC official. Franklin warned Weissman that Iranian agents were going to start attacking American soldiers and Israeli agents in Iraq. Weissman then went to brief the account of the meeting to Steve Rosen, another senior AIPAC official. They both informed the Israeli embassy in Washington and Glenn Kessler, a reporter for The Washington Post. Those phone calls were being wiretapped by the FBI as part of its investigation of a major Israeli spy ring in the United States, an investigation that had been going on since before the 9/11 attacks. The FBI was also monitoring meetings between Franklin, Weissman, and Rosen, including one held in February 2003 at the Arlington, Virginia, Ritz-Carlton hotel, which adjoins the Pentagon City Mall.
In February 2005, an Israeli man named Ohad Cohen was deported, along with four other Israelis, from Omaha, Nebraska. In what was becoming a common occurrence in the United States, a total of 10 Israelis, who were working at shopping mall kiosks in the Omaha and Lincoln areas, were deported by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials for illegally working in the United States on tourist visas. The Israelis operated out of Omaha’s Oak View Mall and Lincoln’s Gateway Westfield Mall. The Federal government probe was reported to be part of a wider probe of Israeli shopping mall kiosk activity throughout the Midwest. In December 2004, FBI and immigration officers arrested 15 Israelis in Minnesota and three operating from a mall kiosk in Grand Forks, North Dakota. Omaha is also the headquarters of the U.S. Air Force Strategic Air Command (SAC).
On January 13, 2009, WMR reported: WMR has also learned of other Israeli mall kiosks around the country that hired aggressive Israeli young men and women who badger customers and ask personal questions. Israeli mall kiosks engaged in the aggressive sales practices have been set up at the North Shore Mall in Peabody, Massachusetts, and Northeast Mall in Hurst, Texas, a Dallas suburb. The mall kiosks in Peabody sell Israeli hand cream and nail files. The kiosk in Hurst has a male overseer, about 45 years old, who lives in the Bahamas.
Many of the Israeli mall vendors claim ignorance when told by customers that Israeli mall kiosks were identified as Mossad front operations in a Fox News report. More incredibly, some Israelis feign ignorance when the term “9/11” is used. They claim not to know what the term means.
In the same report, WMR reported: Last month, police in New South Wales, Australia, arrested the leader of an Israeli “art student” ring who was selling mass-produced paintings from China as valuable artwork from Israel. The Israeli man arrested, age 23, fit the profile of a number of Israeli “art students” rounded up, detained, and deported by U.S. authorities in the months prior to 9/11. The “art students” were casing federal offices, military installations, and the homes of federal agents and officials.
The Israeli was arrested by police in Wamberal on Australia’s eastern central coast. Fifty Chinese-made oil paintings were found in the Israeli’s Mitsubishi station wagon. He was attempting to sell the paintings for between 500 and 1,000 Australian dollars. The Israelis in Australia visited a number of homes and claimed they were university students from Israel. The Israeli arrested lived in Sydney’s Bondi Beach neighborhood.
Recently, there was yet another story about the use of Israeli mall kiosk operators as intelligence agents. In the most recent case in Perth, Australia, an Australian man was arrested and charged with violation of an Australian hate crime law for exposing the activities of Israeli-run mall kiosks owned by an Israeli firm in Melbourne whose products are called “Seacret -- Minerals From The Dead Sea.” The president of the Australian Union of Jewish Students lodged a criminal complaint against the investigator who maintained that Israeli nationals were attempting to obtain classified information on the Royal Australian Navy’s Collins class submarine as well as other defense programs.
- the Wayne Madsen Report.
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example:
FRANK LOWY :
Westfield sold seven U.S. malls in April 2012 to Starwood for $1 billion: Chicago Ridge Mall in Chicago; Gateway Mall in Lincoln, Neb; Metreon in San Francisco; Louis Joliet Mall in Chicago; Solano Mall in Fairfield, Calif.; SouthPark Mall in Cleveland; and Westland Mall, Miami. Collectively, the malls consisted of more than 6.6 million square feet.
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Lichtblau, Eric. "Pentagon Analyst Admits Sharing Secret Data." New York Times, 6 Oct. 2005. [http://www.nytimes.com]
On 5 October 2005, former senior Defense Department analyst Lawrence A. Franklin "pleaded guilty in federal court" in Alexandria, Virginia, "to three criminal counts for improperly retaining and disclosing classified information.... The offenses carry a maximum of 25 years in prison, but as part of a plea agreement, prosecutors are expected to recommend leniency" in return for Franklin's "cooperation in a continuing investigation in the January trial of ... Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman," former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.
Spy Cases - U.S. - Franklin < click
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so ppl can post unsubstantiated reports all about this Clash of Civilizations. and much of it will of course be true.
i do not have never denied the antichrist and violent actions of these radical Islamic nutjobs - BUT HOW MANY OF THEM THE REAL THING. that's what i question.
more and more these events are so clearly seen to be STAGED - fake blood and totally unrealistic scenes - perfectly framed photo ops - in the middle of supposed machine gun fire and all that other stuff. it's getting RIDICULOUS.
but how much evidence is required before ppl at least admit YOUR BFF doesn't commit treason and espionage against you on a regular basis while prodding you into wars THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
i was wondering why this posting stuff is met with gnashing teeth and outrage.
why it's not openly questioned and discussed (when it's ON RECORD).
then of course i realized why:
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Recently, there was yet another story about the use of Israeli mall kiosk operators as intelligence agents. In the most recent case in Perth, Australia, an Australian man was arrested and charged with violation of an Australian hate crime law for exposing the activities of Israeli-run mall kiosks owned by an Israeli firm in Melbourne whose products are called “Seacret -- Minerals From The Dead Sea.”
The president of the Australian Union of Jewish Students lodged a criminal complaint against the investigator who maintained that Israeli nationals were attempting to obtain classified information on the Royal Australian Navy’s Collins class submarine as well as other defense programs.
why it's not openly questioned and discussed (when it's ON RECORD).
then of course i realized why:
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Recently, there was yet another story about the use of Israeli mall kiosk operators as intelligence agents. In the most recent case in Perth, Australia, an Australian man was arrested and charged with violation of an Australian hate crime law for exposing the activities of Israeli-run mall kiosks owned by an Israeli firm in Melbourne whose products are called “Seacret -- Minerals From The Dead Sea.”
The president of the Australian Union of Jewish Students lodged a criminal complaint against the investigator who maintained that Israeli nationals were attempting to obtain classified information on the Royal Australian Navy’s Collins class submarine as well as other defense programs.
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We're not talking about it zone because we don't want to encourage your delusion and further see this thread clogged up with thousands more words of Jew Mossed conspiracy nonsense that has nothing to do with the real reason for the attack which is the Kenyan government's peacekeeping role in suppressing Al-Shabaab in southern Somalia. Just because you are completely consumed with Jewish conspiracies doesn't mean everyone else.
You said the Jews started Islam to attack Christians, that the Jews started Marxism to attack Christians, that the Jews started the Catholic Church to attack Christians, that the Jews did 911, that the Jews prevented the U.S. from going to the moon, that the Jews control the world, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
Now you've got the Jews behind this incident. Of course you do. The Jews are behind everything. You've got some issues with Jews there lady. Lol.
You said the Jews started Islam to attack Christians, that the Jews started Marxism to attack Christians, that the Jews started the Catholic Church to attack Christians, that the Jews did 911, that the Jews prevented the U.S. from going to the moon, that the Jews control the world, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews.
Now you've got the Jews behind this incident. Of course you do. The Jews are behind everything. You've got some issues with Jews there lady. Lol.
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Sure I do. In fact, my second college degree was in information systems with an A average. Which makes your comment humorous and sad both at the same time for it is analogous to an ignorant blind person (e.g. you in this case) calling a smart person with 20/20 vision (e.g. me) blind.
Many pothead's intellect, emotional growth, etc... is impaired from the dope they smoke. Recent studies are quite clear on this point. An example would be the University of Maryland School of Medicine study which reveals that regular use of marijuana during adolescence can damage brain function permanently. The striking finding is at that age, even exposure to low marijuana doses for brief periods create abnormalities that persist into adulthood.
Don't blame me, blame yourself. I'm just a messenger. Chow.
Many pothead's intellect, emotional growth, etc... is impaired from the dope they smoke. Recent studies are quite clear on this point. An example would be the University of Maryland School of Medicine study which reveals that regular use of marijuana during adolescence can damage brain function permanently. The striking finding is at that age, even exposure to low marijuana doses for brief periods create abnormalities that persist into adulthood.
Don't blame me, blame yourself. I'm just a messenger. Chow.
Put all the evidence in you wish, it don't make any difference Zone. He doesn't let facts cloud his judgement. 
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Young Somalis in Minnesota are still signing up for terrorist group Al Shabab that carried out deadly Kenya mall attack - including at least four men in the last year.
Somalis in Minnesota are still signing up for terrorist group Al Shabab that carried out Kenya mall attack | Mail Online
Somalis in Minnesota are still signing up for terrorist group Al Shabab that carried out Kenya mall attack | Mail Online
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Dozens of students shot dead in their beds as Islamist militants storm through college dorms in northern Nigeria.
Gunmen killed at least 40 people today in an attack on a college in northeast Nigeria, witnesses say, in a region where Islamist militants have targeted schools and universities.
Islamist sect Boko Haram has intensified attacks on civilian targets in recent weeks in reaction to a military offensive against its insurgency.
Boko Haram and spin-off Islamist groups like the al Qaeda-linked Ansaru have become the biggest security threat to the nation which is also Africa's second largest economy and top oil exporter.
Dozens of students shot dead in their beds as Islamist militants storm through college dorms in northern Nigeria | Mail Online
Gunmen killed at least 40 people today in an attack on a college in northeast Nigeria, witnesses say, in a region where Islamist militants have targeted schools and universities.
Islamist sect Boko Haram has intensified attacks on civilian targets in recent weeks in reaction to a military offensive against its insurgency.
Boko Haram and spin-off Islamist groups like the al Qaeda-linked Ansaru have become the biggest security threat to the nation which is also Africa's second largest economy and top oil exporter.
Dozens of students shot dead in their beds as Islamist militants storm through college dorms in northern Nigeria | Mail Online
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So you did inhale. I thought so.
A bachelor degree in computer science is interesting. I have more than ten computer certifications from Microsoft including a few of their most challenging ones as well as Cisco, CompTIA, Novell, etc... Nothing too difficult there. Actually I have four degrees total all with an A average and one with highest honors. Two of them are Masters. But I'm a worker bee so never went for my PhD as I was very busy applying what I had learned on difficult assignments in the private sector.
The only red herring in this discussion pal is the red herring you keep introducing. Bon appetite.
A bachelor degree in computer science is interesting. I have more than ten computer certifications from Microsoft including a few of their most challenging ones as well as Cisco, CompTIA, Novell, etc... Nothing too difficult there. Actually I have four degrees total all with an A average and one with highest honors. Two of them are Masters. But I'm a worker bee so never went for my PhD as I was very busy applying what I had learned on difficult assignments in the private sector.
The only red herring in this discussion pal is the red herring you keep introducing. Bon appetite.
I tried pot once. Coughed my guts up.
Coincidence I have a bachelor degree in computer science.
Oh well grasshopper waiting on less red herrings and further insights.
Coincidence I have a bachelor degree in computer science.
Oh well grasshopper waiting on less red herrings and further insights.