Iraq Cities Fall To Al Qaeda-inspired militants: NeoCons want Obamaphone like policy?

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He spent more time and resources pursuing a guy who didn't murder 3000 Americans.
The fact is, he said this about a man who murdered 3000 Americans. He said it on world wide TV six months after the event.
Sorry, but you just don't say anything remotely close to this six months after 3000 Americans are murdered.

Anyone trying to minimize or justify this statement, in my opinion, may have some internal tendencies toward bias that need examining.


Like it or not, the feckless Obama issued the decision that resulted in some justice toward Osama. Something a man who said the below just six months after 911, couldn't do in his eight years in office. But thank goodness we captured a guy who didn't murder 3000 Americans.
Like it or not, the feckless Obama issued the decision that resulted in some justice toward Osama.

Absolutely false. Several times Obama canceled raids against Osama. He wasn't even involved in it.
 
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We should have never invaded Iraq in the first place and Congress is to blame for this mess. It is ironic that Republicans are blaming Obama for the fall although he opposed the war as a senator. He also given the Iraq government 15B to build up its military. Who do I blame? the Iraq government. There is a possibility that Baghdad could be topple and it huge embassy taken over. We do remember the Iran hostage crisis with the takeover of the American Embassy. This reminds me of the Tet offensive military push by the North Viet against the South Vietnam that forced out the American forces in 1975. And the main reason this happened was because the South Vietnamese military forces were worthless and often collaborate with the enemy.
 
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Don't get me wrong here, the reason why I posted the caricature is this: G.W. Bush ('Republicans') started this whole mess in the first place. There was no evidence to connect Saddam Hussain to Al Quaeda, no evidence of WMD in Iraq. Although he should have concentrated on Al Quaeda, G.W. went to war with Iraq, presumably as a vendetta for the murder attempt on his father's life, ordered by Saddam Hussain. In doing so he destabilzed the whole region, and in this anarchy groups like ISIS could emerge. So yeah, ultimately Bush WAS right when he established a link between Iraq and Al Quaeda, but it was a link he created himself.
The only ones connecting terrorism witgh Iraq was the media who could not understand when you have a cease fore agreement and the other side breaks it, shooting starts. What Hussein did in thumbing his nose at us all of those years, under this cease fire was to give moral support for the terrorists.

That was probably the only connection. The intel was not the most accurate either before the war.
 
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Like it or not, the feckless Obama issued the decision that resulted in some justice toward Osama.

Absolutely false. Several times Obama canceled raids against Osama. He wasn't even involved in it.
Lol, so who gave the order to get him the night our military took him out?
 
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This looks like an attempt to keep the current regime from looking like the inept administration that it is.
what this looks like is another attempt to blame Bush while Obama gets more teflon coatings.
 
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Overall I'm content with his foreign policy.

He quit redistributing our military-wealth to a nation that won't standup and fight against rag-tag militants.

He issued the order that resulted in some justice toward a guy who murdered 3000 Americans in cold blood.

He hasn't gotten us into any major unneeded conflicts. Yes neo-cons will say he's weak, but the same neo-cons won't grab a gun to go back up all the tough talk they claim they want from Obama. If you want tough talk and action from Obama, please be prepared to risk your life backing up the tough talk you desire. (I say that to anyone in general.)
Do you think Putin would do what he is doing with Bush as president?

Benghazi was not just a glitch in Obama's foreign policy. It was murder.
 
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Reminds me of Reagan.
In 1982, Reagan's second year in office, unemployment was already 8.6%, and it skyrocketed to 10.8% by the end of the year.
Now this was two years into his presidency.
Now if you're going to blame that on Carter, then you have to allow Obama to "blame Bush" for at least the first two years of his economy.

Which is it gonna be?
Accuse Reagan of having a bad economy, or allow Obama to "blame Bush"?

OOOoo tough choices!

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Comparing Reagan's economic policies with Obamas......

One made the economy better.

One made the economy worse.

It ain't rocket science.
 
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Even if Solomon were president of America, we would be in the same boat. Throughout history when a nation begins to persecute Israel,(Egypt, Assyria, Rome, Germany, Great Britain) that nation falls under the judgement of the Lord. There is little to no support for Israel politically in the US anymore. Our current state of affairs is no surprise to me.
There is little political support for Israel in one major liberal group.

American liberal jews HATE Israel.

By the way Israel ain't exactly christian friendly. While I agree supporting Israel politically, not sure you can do that theologically.
 
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Like it or not, the feckless Obama issued the decision that resulted in some justice toward Osama.

Absolutely false. Several times Obama canceled raids against Osama. He wasn't even involved in it.
Here's how history records the night raid to get Osama.
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Here is how Republicans record it.

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what this looks like is another attempt to blame Bush while Obama gets more teflon coatings.
I am not a big fan of Obama but the Iraq & Afghanistan wars are a major part of the Bush legacy. Of course he is to blame and the American public voted to give Democrats both branches of government: Congress & presidency mainly because of those two wars. Your hypocrisy is showing here.
 
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Comparing Reagan's economic policies with Obamas......

One made the economy better.

One made the economy worse.

It ain't rocket science.
10.8% unemployment two years after 7.5% is considered better?

You been watching MSNBC again?
 
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Who would pray for 6% unemployment today?

Would be a heck of a lot better.

Jobless recovery.....only cultists can believe that.
Actually it's getting near 6% again.
62% of Reagan's presidency was spent with 7% or higher unemployment.
Reference http://christianchat.com/christian-...ant-obamaphone-like-policy-2.html#post1568135

Reagan didn't hit 6% until August of 1987. Almost a year and a half before he left office.

Obama is right on track to reach 6% at the same time in his presidency as Reagan.

Go figure!
 
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I'm not much into 911 Truther theories.
Plus there is a lot better creative writing on my Kindle right now that needs reading.
I said nothing about 911. I spoke to the declassified CIA operation called operation northwoods that was denied by president Kennedy.
 
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I have no problem with either war. I don't see hypocrisy.

The economy got better under Reagan. It has not under Obama and is much worse than the manufactured unemployment rates.

I know its popular to bash both parties. Some of that is merited. However to compare Reagan with Obama is ridiculous.

Carter was a joke. His answer to the energy crisis was to wear sweaters and turn down the thermostats at the White House.

Every time the economy under Bush fluctuated the media was saying its the worse economic times since the Depression.

I'll take conservative point of view over a liberal one every time. Reagan was not perfect but he was a much better president than this one.
 

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Or the Bush administration's foreign policy on terror.

1. Ignore terror for eight months until 3000 Americans get murdered by a terrorist.
2. Six months later announce to the world you don't spend that much time thinking about the guy who murdered 3000 of your people.
3. Send more troops and money to chase a guy who didn't murder 3000 of your people.
4. Leave office eight years after the guy who murdered 3000 Americans is still alive.
5. Redistribute our military wealth to a nation that's not willing to stand on their own against rag-tag al-quaeda sympathizers.

Ahh! The Orwelian smell of revisionist history! I lived about 50 miles from ground zero. Virtually every person I spoke to left, right and center wanted us to bomb immediately every muslim country. MANY wanted us to bomb mecca itself. THAT was the mood of the country. BEFORE 9/11, if you can get your mindset to that time, NO ONE wanted to aggressively go after these guys. Clinton had osama on a silver platter and said "nah, no thanks". The political correctness of that time would have in no way allowed Bush to pursue a pre-emptive war on terror. I'v'e already told you how silly it is to criticise Bush for saying he didn't think much about osama. You brushed aside the fact that admitting he was preoccupied with osama would have been far worse than the answer he gave. The idea that it was because of obama's leadership that the seals and other support system, that Bush put in place, was the reason we got osama is absurd.


THIS is the fruit of obama pulling our military from Iraq in 2011, and you can't really believe it won't have serious ramifications for us:

Militant gains in Iraq catch Obama administration by surprise | Fox News
 
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However to compare Reagan with Obama is ridiculous.
Not at all.

Reagan's administration traded arms for hostages to a terrorist nation.
Obama traded terrorists for a hostage.

Reagan cut and ran after a terrorist attack in Beirut.
Obama was president when our military put to death the guy who murdered 3000 Americans. (Ok not a valid comparison on that one.)

Reagan went after a terrorist Libyan dictator by bombing a few tents and missing his target.
Obama joined a coalition to get the same Libyan terrorist dictator, and now the dictator is dead. (Ooops..not a valid comparison again.)

Reagan took office when unemployment was 7.5% and almost two years later it was at 10.8%
Obama took office and unemployment was around 10% for him almost a year later too.
 
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I have no problem with either war. I don't see hypocrisy.

The economy got better under Reagan. It has not under Obama and is much worse than the manufactured unemployment rates.

I know its popular to bash both parties. Some of that is merited. However to compare Reagan with Obama is ridiculous.

Carter was a joke. His answer to the energy crisis was to wear sweaters and turn down the thermostats at the White House.

Every time the economy under Bush fluctuated the media was saying its the worse economic times since the Depression.

I'll take conservative point of view over a liberal one every time. Reagan was not perfect but he was a much better president than this one.
According to the Washington Post both wars have cost taxpayers 4 trillion dollars. And you don't have a problem with both wars? .... okay.
 
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I say...
Or the Bush administration's foreign policy on terror.

1. Ignore terror for eight months until 3000 Americans get murdered by a terrorist.
2. Six months later announce to the world you don't spend that much time thinking about the guy who murdered 3000 of your people.
3. Send more troops and money to chase a guy who didn't murder 3000 of your people.
4. Leave office eight years after the guy who murdered 3000 Americans is still alive.
5. Redistribute our military wealth to a nation that's not willing to stand on their own against rag-tag al-quaeda sympathizers.
And you say....

Ahh! The Orwelian smell of revisionist history! I lived about 50 miles from ground zero. Virtually every person I spoke to left, right and center wanted us to bomb immediately every muslim country. MANY wanted us to bomb mecca itself. THAT was the mood of the country. BEFORE 9/11, if you can get your mindset to that time, NO ONE wanted to aggressively go after these guys. Clinton had osama on a silver platter and said "nah, no thanks". The political correctness of that time would have in no way allowed Bush to pursue a pre-emptive war on terror. I'v'e already told you how silly it is to criticise Bush for saying he didn't think much about osama. You brushed aside the fact that admitting he was preoccupied with osama would have been far worse than the answer he gave. The idea that it was because of obama's leadership that the seals and other support system, that Bush put in place, was the reason we got osama is absurd.


THIS is the fruit of obama pulling our military from Iraq in 2011, and you can't really believe it won't have serious ramifications for us:

Militant gains in Iraq catch Obama administration by surprise | Fox News
Nothing in my previous statements is untrue.

Clinton had osama on a silver platter and said "nah, no thanks".
There you go "blaming Clinton" again.
Bush was president in 2001, not Clinton.

The idea that it was because of obama's leadership that the seals and other support system, that Bush put in place, was the reason we got osama is absurd.
Sounds like more selective "blaming of Bush".
 
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It's been fun volleying back and forth. Thanks for the discussion.
I'm off for a bit.