AMERICAN HEALTH CARE ACT

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Your Choic for Healthcare
Just what is The Most Affordable and best Health Care that there Is available for you?
Everyone qualifies, but few in society today ever bother to apply this God given prinsible.

Two out of every three Americans are overweight. Over half of that number are considered obese
—meaning one third of Americans are at least 30 pounds above the ideal weight for their size. And
when you consider the alarming increase of obesity among young people, the epidemic is growing.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (cdc) released its annual report [2009]on the health
status of the United States. Included in that year’s report was a special feature on young adults bet-
ween the ages of 18 and 29. According to the study, the number of obese young adults in America has
tripled since the early 1970s. Other studys similarly disturbing trends among children and teenagers.

With all of our scientific enlightenment and advancement, one might assume that we are at the door-
step of disease-free living where “wonder drugs” and high-tech surgeries will soon eradicate sickness
and disease. What a careless assumption that would be.

For every success story in the medical profession, where doctors discover ways to reduce the risk
of one disease, there are several new diseases introduced in our modern civilization.

Americans spend more money on health care than any other industrialized nation. But we have precious
little to show for it because nearly all of this money goes toward diagnosing diseases and/or treating
illnesses after the fact. In other words, Western medicine deals with the effect, rather than the cause.

For example, the obesity epidemic is currently running neck and neck with tobacco as the leading cause
of premature death in the U.S. Obesity significantly increases the risk of diabetes, high blood pressure,
strokes, cancer and heart disease. Of the 2.4 million total deaths in America each year [2009-statistic],
38 percent are victims of heart disease—a man-made disease that is preventable. -newer stats here-
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/index.html

obesity statistics
https://search.cdc.gov/search?query=obesity+statistics&utf8=✓&affiliate=cdc-main

And Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

480,000 Americans die each year as a result of tobacco-related illness
—also man-made and entirely preventable. In either case, the cause of such illnesses
—whether obesity- or tobacco-related—is unhealthy living.
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm

When you consider the lifestyle of most Americans, it leaves little doubt as to why so many
people are overweight and unhealthy. Inactivity and improper eating are a deadly combination.

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God designed our physical bodies—composed of material substance from the ground
To attain quality living, though, we must obey certain God-ordained health laws.
The most important of these is proper diet.

The human body is primarily composed of 16 elements of matter found within the soil—
12 of them are alkaline-reacting mineral elements and four are acid-reacting carbohydrates.

A properly balanced diet consists of two or three times as much of the alkaline-reacting
mineral elements—primarily fruits and vegetables.

The typical American diet today, however, consists of four or five times as much acid-reacting
carbohydrates—not the natural, whole carbohydrates found in foods like brown rice, beans and
whole-grain products, which are the complex carbohydrates our bodies need for good health.

Many of these whole foods are stripped of their life-building nutrients in man-made factories
They say "You are what you eat" your choice to supply low grade or highgrade gas for your body

“Take wheat. Wheat is almost a perfect food. It contains all 16 major food elements, in near
perfectly balanced proportion. But they take that perfect grain of wheat apart, rob it of the 12
mineral elements, and turn it into white flour—containing the four carbohydrate elements”

Man has taken all kinds of foods that God made to be mildly acidic and altered them to become
highly acidic substances. These refined substances that most people ignorantly call food are most
often full of toxic, health-debilitating ingredients, unlike the acidic foods God created, which have
many wonderful life-giving properties.

Sugar consumption- Today, Americans eat well over 100 pounds of it each year.
https://search.cdc.gov/search?utf8=✓&affiliate=cdc-main&query=sugar+consumption

Refined sugar is another culprit. It’s found in practically everything man makes: processed foods,
sauces, salad dressings and so on. Author William Dufty wrote in his book Sugar Blues: “Vegetables,
fruits, berries and nuts—these natural sources of what we now call vitamin C—had been sweets until
concentrated, refined sugar was marketed. Sugar was an unnatural sweet that had been robbed of its
vitamin C in the refining process, which was when 90 percent of the natural cane was removed.”
https://search.cdc.gov/search?utf8=✓&affiliate=cdc-main&query=sugar+consumption
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“In the interests of bigger profits, the gigantic food industry is giving us a diet of food with no
value to our bodys, but now the things unlabeled in the store can attach you for harm.
In the proccess they are also killing our soils with bad farming pracitices and giving us poisen.
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More than 70 percent of the antibiotics consumed in the United States go to livestock farms,
one of the main triggers driving a rising crisis of antibiotic resistance in human medicine.

December 7, 2016-A Terrifying Superbug Just Showed up on a US [pig] Farm for the First Time
https://www.organicconsumers.org/new...arm-first-time

Adaptive Resistance to the “Last Hope”
Adaptive Resistance to the “Last Hope” Antibiotics Polymyxin B and Colistin in Pseudomonas aeruginosa Is Mediated by the Novel Two-Component Regulatory System ParR-ParS

Assessing the Epidemic Potential of RNA and DNA Viruses
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/22/12/16-0123_article

What Causes Food Allergies? We are Consuming Pesticides
“What is food to one is to others bitter poison.”
http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/132404-human-genetic-modification-here.html

“and there shall be…pestilences” (Matthew 24:7). The man on the pale horse symbolizes
climactic, globe-encircling plagues and pandemics occurring and soon to occur in this age!
the four horsemen are of religious deception, war, famine and pestilence
God promises, in Psalm 91:3 and 6, to protect us from pestilence if we trust in Him.

"Until we resolve this problem, the cost will continue to rise.
How does Obamacare or Trumpcare address this"

Is it any wonder that so many Americans suffer from obesity, sugar disease, low energy, chro-
nic fatigue, insomnia, depression, impotence, allergies, cancer, heart disease and the like?

Modern medicine has made great progress in eliminating certain communicable diseases.
But non-communicable diseases, like those listed above, thrive in our modern age largely
because of faulty diet and sedentary living.

The cdc study on our nation’s health laments the fact that so many Americans are without
health insurance.The real tragedy, though, is that most Americans, whether they have health
insurance or not, are unwilling to take matters into their own hands and greatly improve their
overall health by simply eating right and exercising.


It’s the most affordable health-care system there is.
 

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The Health Care plan Trump and Ryan and some of the Repubs are pushing to get passed has been a real storm of controversy to say the least.

I listened to Ryan's Power Point speech intoto, and while a few parts of this FIRST installment seem to be ok, there are some problems with it also.

The BIG DEAL is that this Plan is being offered in THREE INSTALLMENTS, and Repubs are being told to vote for it without even knowing what the other Two Installments will be. Sound familiar?

The MOST IMPORTANT requirement of any Plan is the option of people to buy Insurance across State Lines! This is the ONLY true way to reduce Health Care Policies prices. Forcing the Big Insurance people to compete for Customers, JUST LIKE ALL OTHER Retail/Wholesale businesses have to do.

Sadly, this important requirement (according to Ryan) will not even be offered UNTIL the Third Installment. But, wait, even then it is not a slam dunk to come to be Law. Why? Because doing it the way Ryan says will require SIXTY VOTES in the Senate to PASS. Seriously? How in the world does Ryan, Trump, or any Republican believe they will get 60 votes in the Senate? Given this, and the fact that the Second Installment WILL ALSO require 60 votes........the real possibility is that the ONLY part of this Plan that EVER gets passed will be this First Installment. And, that ain't good. By itself, just like Obamacare, it will implode......what then Mr. Speaker?

I hope this First Installment does not pass as it is currently written. Step back, LET OBAMACARE destroy itself, the blame will be on Obama and the Dems, THEN, put forth a COMPLETE PLAN, and not an Installment Plan.

Mr. President, please pull your support for this Plan, it will end up being an anchor around your neck, and, right now, you got enough of them as it is.

just saying...........

Have you shared your opinion with the ones that matter, like you congressman, senator & representative......plus the Pres himself? One email is equivalent to a multitude of voters opinion.
 
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How do you take care of you?
Do you eat right and get plenty of exercise ?

Lead a healthy living?
:)That's sound advice for sure, but even with eating right and exercising we still all need healthcare.Living In a fallen world, STRESS from all the things people say and do cause the body to head toward death.
 
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As usual, forum right wingers openly display their pride in their hate and in their ignorance. Contrary to their views, Alinsky is not associated with Obama politically but, instead, and his associated with right wingers such as the Tea Party:


https://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/saul-alinsky-founder-of-the-tea-party




"Conservative firebrand, former Republican House Majority Leader Dick Armey, is said to give out copies of Rules for Radicals to Tea Party leaders."







​Note that the source for this information is CONSERVATIVE.
You don't believe your own lies, do you? To fight the enemy you must understand your enemy. You're not even good at attempting to twist the truth. Try again.
 

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Living In a fallen world, STRESS from all the things people say
and do cause the body to head toward death.
What does the bible tell us about stress, and how to deal with it?
What does the bible tell us about things that leads to death?

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;
and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

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1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:
all
things are lawful for me, but allthings edify not.
 
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And he's proven himself to be no different. Sell us on one thing, deliver something completely opposite. Like I said all last year, when we get tired of this we will rally behind a third party candidate.
I think you are being too hard on him, it seems to me that he is doing everything within his power to follow thru with his campaign promises. It sure would help if he had some help instead of all the opposition.
 

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I think you are being too hard on him, it seems to me that he is doing everything within his power to follow thru with his campaign promises. It sure would help if he had some help instead of all the opposition.
He stocked his cabinet with oil barons and wall street insiders. That is totally opposite of his 'drain the swamp' promise. He promised healthcare that covers everyone for less money, then he supported healthcare that strips people of coverage and increases the cost for most everyone. If he were doing everything he could to fulfill his promises he would have told that rich trust-fund baby Ryan to take his worthless AHCA bill and stick it. But let's just wait and see what he does for a third act. I'll bet it's going to be interesting, and completely opposite of what he promised us.
 

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He titled himself the Art of the Deal! The guy who could close the deal!

Month or two before the Election, I told folks here that if he was elected, the Dems would do nothing to work with him, and that some of the Repubs wouldn't either. I was laughed at, scoffed, called names.......and they said Trump would get all of them to do what he told them to do.

Hmm.............

Now, that Plan they tried to sell wasn't worth a hoot............and IF Trump is so smart, why in the world did he hitch his wagon to it? It started off Ryancare...........then Ryan-Trumpcare, but when he took the initiative to fully involve himself in the process, it became Trumpcare...........plain and simple.

Now they are going to move on to Taxes..............I suspect they will fail dramatically at this as well..........then what?
They MAY manage to pass a "watered down" sort of tax cut Bill, but they won't get close to actually passing a serious Tax Reform Bill.

Now, I wish they COULD, but if they think the Repubs in the House were split over Health Care, just wait until they try to get a Tax Reform Bill written that the House will pass.............

Trump wants to blame the Dems..........that's bunk. He couldn't get the Repubs to join together..........they didn't need the Dems to pass the Health Care..............the blame for all of this starts with the Repubs and Ryan, and then Trump.......they blew it plain and simple.

And, not for nothing, but I'm glad they did. They wanna bad mouth the Freedom Caucus for not voting for the Bill........why should they have? IT WAS A BAD BILL. They could have put together a Bill that would have passed with ease, but they did not..........

Welcome to Obamacare.............welcome to 2018............could be the end of all chances to do anything meaningful.

I think you are being too hard on him, it seems to me that he is doing everything within his power to follow thru with his campaign promises. It sure would help if he had some help instead of all the opposition.
 

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He stocked his cabinet with oil barons and wall street insiders. That is totally opposite of his 'drain the swamp' promise. He promised healthcare that covers everyone for less money, then he supported healthcare that strips people of coverage and increases the cost for most everyone. If he were doing everything he could to fulfill his promises he would have told that rich trust-fund baby Ryan to take his worthless AHCA bill and stick it. But let's just wait and see what he does for a third act. I'll bet it's going to be interesting, and completely opposite of what he promised us.
Why is being an oil barron or a wall Street insider a bad thing?

I never have liked Paul Ryan, but I can't find where he came from a particularly wealthy family. He worked at McDonalds as a teen and put himself through college.
 

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AMERICANS HEALTH -Western medicine deals with the effect, rather than the cause.


“I’m writing you prescriptions for buprenorphine, fluoxetine, eszopiclone, Azithromycin, Dulcolax
and Simvastatin,” the doctor says. “For good measure, we’ll throw in some Chantix and Orlistat.”

But since the doctor recommended them, it’s normal to think the drugs will be as magical for
the body as the blissful, pastel-colored butterfly on one of the boxes appears to be.

“You’ll need to take 12 tablets each morning and afternoon, six eardrops in the early evening, and
then wear the transdermal patches while you sleep. Keep that up,you’ll be feeling like yourself again.”

[T]he average American is written more than 13 prescriptions each year.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/drug-use-therapeutic.htm

Re: Is Medication A Form Of Sorcery?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/132351-medication-form-sorcery-7.html

Medical recommendations such as those are issued with increasing frequency in the United States.
And patients are generally quick to follow the orders. Mayo Clinic researchers report that almost 7
in 10 Americans today are taking at least one prescription drug, and over half are taking at least two.

A smaller percentage of Americans are on numerous prescriptions. In 2014, Americans were written
a total of 4.33 billion prescriptions. There are 319 million of us. This means the average American is
written more than 13 prescriptions each year.

And with each passing year, these numbers are climbing, making the pharmaceutical industry
ever larger and more powerful. Begs the question, Are You at Risk—From Your Meds?

Expensive pharmaceuticals often provide users with relief from some symptoms. But they also carry
a host of health risks. About 16 percent of all hospital admissions are related to adverse reactions to
prescription drugs.Women are at particularly high risk of complications from pharmaceuticals. That is
in large part because, although women take the majority of prescription drugs, many drugs are only
ever tested on men.

And here’s the big one: The Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics states that pharmaceuticals used as
prescribed are the fourth-leading cause of death for Americans. That puts medication-induced deaths
ahead of diabetes, car accidents and aids. The death rate for prescription drugs is 10 times higher than
the number of people killed by illegal drugs.

Patient advocate Lisa Bloomquist says that, in too many cases, “the pharmaceutical industry has
effectively taken an acute problem … and converted it into a chronic problem.” She says these
chronic problems “mean repeat customers, and the pharmaceutical industry makes billions.”

About 16 percent of all hospital admissions are related to adverse reactions to prescription drugs.
In light of these risks, patients should ask their doctors some questions before blithely following
their recommendations to put these high-powered chemical concoctions into their bodies.

‘Doctor, What’s the NNT?’

First, a patient should ask the doctor about a statistic called the nnt: the “Number Needed to Treat.”

The nnt is a piece of data doctors and pharmaceutical companies generally don’t like to discuss. It re-
cords the number of people who need to take a certain drug in order for one of them to be helped by it.

Consider the example of statin, a class of drug routinely prescribed to lower patients’ cholesterol levels.
But the nnt for the most-widely prescribed statin is a jaw-dropping 250. That means for every 250 people
taking it, this statin helps only one person.

Dr. Jerome R. Hoffman, professor of clinical medicine at the University of California, Los Angeles,
explained: “What if you put 250 people in a room and told them they would each pay $1,000 a year for
a drug they would have to take every day … and that 249 would have no benefit? And that they could
do just as well by exercising? How many would take that?”

Statin has an unusually high nnt, but the GlaxoSmithKline pharmaceutical company estimates that 90
percent of all prescription drugs work for only 30 to 50 percent of people taking them. So in general,
you’ve got a 50-50 chance of relief—at best.

And in many cases, the effects of your medications are far worse than neutral.
That leads to the second question a patient should ask.

‘What Are the Side Effects?’

Before agreeing to a new prescription, a patient should also ask the doctor about the drug’s
side effects and the percentage of people who suffer from them.

[P]harmaceuticals used as prescribed are the fourth-leading cause of death for Americans.

To stick with the example of statin, the side effects are serious. They include joint pain, muscle pain
and gastrointestinal distress. These are known to affect about 5 percent of people taking the drug.
(In severe cases, it can also cause muscle breakdown and type-2 diabetes.)

So, if you add the side-effect percentage to the nnt, you see that for every 250 people taking the
mostwidely prescribed statin, just one person is helped, while more than a dozen suffer side effects.
Each individual patient is 12.5 times more likely to be harmed than he is to be aided by the drug.
 

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‘Is the Drug Company Paying Your Doctor ?’

It isn’t possible to watch television or pick up a magazine without being bombarded by images of
stressed-out women finally getting a good night’s sleep, depressed teenagers making a transformation
to joyfulness, and silver-haired men regaining long-lost virility.

These advertising budgets that directly target consumers are enormous. Yet they are only a fraction
of the pharmaceutical industry’s marketing expenditure. Where does the rest of that marketing money go?


Doctors. Unlike the situation with most products, consumers can’t buy pharmaceuticals unless they have
a doctor’s approval. The pharmaceutical companies know that doctors a the ones who actually have the
power to get their drugs off the shelves and into patients’ medicine cabinets. So companies channel the
bulk of their marketing directly to health-care professionals.

In 2012, pharmaceutical companies spent $3.5 billion on direct-to-consumer marketing. That same year,
they spent nearly seven times that figure,about $24 billion,marketing directly to health-care professionals.



Marketing to health-care professionals happens in two primary ways.

First, the companies send sales representatives to routinely visit hospitals, bringing gifts and free
lunches to health-care workers. Former pharmaceutical sales representative Jamie Reidy told Last
Week Tonight that the lunches are more than just occasional offerings: “There are some offices that
advertise in the front desk job description ‘free lunch everyday’—not because the doctors are paying
for it, but because the drug
reps are bringing it in everyday.”

The National Physicians Alliance said that 83 percent of doctors report having accepted food and/or
gifts from drug companies. One study showed that the United States has about 100,000 drug represent-
atives, which means about one for every eight doctors—and the average marketing spent on each doctor
is more than $12,000.

Drug company gifts to doctors can also include fishing trips, educational fees, sample drugs—and services
such as building free websites. In one case, a drug company spent $9,750 on a dinner for three doctors—
in an effort to persuade them to prescribe its drugs.
 
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Drug company gifts to doctors can also include fishing trips,educational fees, sample drugs,and services
such as building free websites. In one case, a drug company spent $9,750 on a dinner for three doctors
-in an effort to persuade them to prescribe its drugs.

[T]he average marketing spent on each doctor is more than $12,000. This conflict of interests is so
wide-spread that the government recently launched a website that allows the public to see how much
each doctor is receiving from various drug companies.The second way pharmaceutical companies
market to health-care professionals is by hiring doctors to talk to other doctors about their drugs.

In 2013, federal prosecutors accused the Novartis drug company of spending almost $65 million
to pay doctors to conduct more than 38,000 such “speaker programs.”

The Wall Street Journal reported: “The speakers were paid an average of $750 to $1,500 per program,
with some speakers earning as much as $3,000 a program, prosecutors said. In one instance, a Florida
doctor was paid $3,750 for speaking to the same four doctors about a Novartis drug five times in a
nine-month period, prosecutors said” (April 26, 2013).

Novartis tried to defend itself, saying physician speaker programs are an “accepted and customary
practicein the industry.” But that’s precisely the problem. The customary nature of the practice
means the objectivity of many health-care professionals is corroded.

When a drug company pays a doctor to act as a spokesman for its drugs, that doctor will often feel
obligated to that company. It will cause him to make some recommendations based not on his best
judgment but on the wishes of the drug company.

So, the third question you should ask your doctor, if he recommends a certain prescription to you,
is whether he is receiving money, gifts, speaking fees or other benefits from the company that makes
the drug. You may also ask if his opinion of the drug has been influenced by doctors paid to speak
on behalf of its manufacturer.

‘How Can I Do My Part?’
A final question you should ask is directed less at your doctor than at yourself.

What long-term changes can I make in my diet, exercise and other lifestyle habits that could improve
my health without pharmaceuticals? These kinds of changes often can be difficult.

But take note: Side effects of this solution can include, but are not limited to: a higher quality of life,
greater clarity of thought, a larger savings account balance, a more abundant life, more time for family
and friends, greater productivity at work ?
 

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"Listening to conservative pundits, one would think America has staked its future on the capacity
of each and every voter to punish Democrats this November so that Republicans might quickly
repeal President Obama’s health care bill."


Just what the doctor ordered! A trillion-dollar health care package followed by billions more
to fund a political power struggle in Washington. Amid all the problems suffocating life out
of the once-mighty American superpower—now this.

What must God think of America’s newest political debate?
Never mind governing ourselves according to His spiritual laws.
Our survival as a nation now depends on who pays for your next mri.

This debate, ironically, comes at a time when most Americans have cashed in what little coverage
they once had for their overall spiritual health. Our most serious crisis, Selwyn Duke wrote at American
Thinker, is lack of health care—“the moral variety.” Given our spiritual decay, Duke correctly noted,
“socialized medicine was inevitable” (March 24).

Universal health care is not the problem. It’s spiritual sickness that’s killing us.

This is the brutal truth most people will not accept—that the cause of our ever increasing, insoluble
problems is not one political party, religious bloc or ethnic group. It’s not even universal health care
—or lack thereof.

It’s universal disobedience to God’s Spiritual laws. And widespread evil, causes national sickness
that eventually results in death. Gods says our overall spiritual health in Isaiah 1:5-6. He likens our
society to a disease-ridden body with open flesh wounds and putrefying sores!

The entire body is sick, the root cause of this terminal illness as being the human heart—or mind.
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9).

desperately wicked actually means “incurably sick” or “sick unto death.” This is why Jesus said we
need a “physician”—because the human mind must be healed of its mortal wounds: self-love and vanity,
lustful obsessions, greedy gain, competition and strife. We don’t even know we’re terminally sick,
and that we desperately need intervention from a divine Healer.

For the American experiment to work, George Washington said it needed a foundation set in
religion and morality. Without these indispensable supports, he warned, it was destined to fail.
 
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What does the bible tell us about stress, and how to deal with it?
What does the bible tell us about things that leads to death?

James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church;
and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

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1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient:
all
things are lawful for me, but allthings edify not.
:)I thought you were about to say something about weed.lol
 

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Obamacare Encourages Businesses to Hire Illegal Immigrants-DECEMBER , 2014

The combination of President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act (aka, Obamacare)
and his decision to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants in the United States means firms
have a $3,000-per-employee incentive to hire illegals instead of U.S. citizens, according
to November 25 reports.

Illegal immigrants are now eligible for work permits but not public benefits such as Obamacare.
Being ineligible for health care gives these immigrants a head start over American citizens in
obtaining a job. Since American businesses are not required to provide them with health care,
they could potentially save a possible $3,000 per worker. In other words, immigrants are $3,000
more lucrative to hire.

“If it is true that the president’s actions give employers a $3,000 incentive to hire those who
came here illegally, he has added insult to injury,” Rep. Lamar Smith told the Washington Times.
Businesses to receive incentive for hiring illegal immigrants, report says | Fox News

The loophole was confirmed by congressional aides and drew condemnation from those who
said it put illegal immigrants ahead of Americans in the job market. “The president’s actions
would have just moved those who came here illegally to the front of the line, ahead of the
unemployed and underemployed Americans.”

According to 80 percent of Americans, new jobs should not go to illegal immigrants, but be kept
for American citizens. Thirty-five percent of Americans want to see all illegal immigrants pushed
out of the country, up from 26 percent last year. Are these Americans justified in their thinking?
Obama amnesty, Obamacare clash: Businesses have $3,000 incentive to hire illegals - Washington Times

Do they have reason for concern after President Obama allowed 4.7 million illegal immigrants
to remain in the country for three more years?

Jobless aid applications in the U.S. increased by a staggering 21,000 last week. A total of 313,000
applications were submitted, marking the first time since September that 300,000 had been broken
in a single week. While colder weather factors into this increase, we can expect this number to
continue to grow as job competition intensifies.
Business News, Personal Finance and Money News - ABC News
Hiring rises in 11 US states last month, gains widely spread - ABC News

Since 2009, the economy has created 10 million new jobs. Between both legal and illegal
immigrants—those just granted amnesty—President Obama has welcomed close to 10 million
immigrants—the same number of immigrants as the total amount of jobs created during his
presidential term. Add the $3,000 incentive, and American citizens face an uphill battle to find a job.

-NOVEMBER 21, 2014
United States President Barack Obama made an executive decree to grant amnesty for 4.7 million
illegal immigrants on Thursday night. In doing so, he broke the trust of immigrants trying to enter
America legally, and effectively encouraged more illegal immigration. He also broke the law.

This executive action became the latest and one of the most significant in a series of actions the pre-
sident has taken that break the Constitution’s restraints on his presidential powers. And in this case,
it also blatantly contravened his own repeatedly stated admission that such a move would be unlawful.

“The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou
shalt come down very low. He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him:
he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.”

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President Obama in his wisdom[cough] once said

But whether or not people realize it, America is suffering a number of problems and curses
because it has ignored the other provisions on the subject. Our nation’s dangerous and
deepening racial and cultural divisions are proof.

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God said, “They shall not dwell in thy land,lest they make thee sin against me:
for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee” (Exodus 23:33).

God forbade immigration of anyone who wouldn’t accept the
religion of the Israelites.


God permitted foreigners to immigrate to Israel, and even commanded that His people
treat them well, as the president noted. However, the same God who passed that law
said that those who immigrated were expected to follow the laws of Israel.
 
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prove-all

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:)I thought you were about to say something about weed.lol
Well I do have to update my info, that was outdated


Marijuana is getting stronger.The levels of delta-9 thc have multiplied
from less than 1 percent in the mid-1970s to more than 6 percent.
A quick search found just 2 of todays goodies available,
sold in stores in more states joining all across America now, all illeagal by federal laws.


Girl Scout Cookies by Original Sensible

With colossal potency levels of 22% THC and incredible flavors it´s no wonder
Girl Scout Cookies is one of the most popular marijuana strains available on the planet today.

The phrase ‘Top Drawer’ was probably created for Tutankhamon cannabis. And if it wasn’t,
it certainly should have been. Staggering THC levels of fast acting cannabis have been recorded
at levels as high as 33% in just 63 days flowering. But even that only tells part of the story.

It is the ease of growth, the quality of the social effect and the sheer genius in their creativity
that make these feminised seeds so special. Tutankhamon is euphoric, she is happy, in a flavour
of pungent lemons that is totally sublime. Just don’t be surprised if you can’t finish a whole joint
of Tutankhamon. With strength like this, even veterans can meet their match.
 
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peacenik

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You don't believe your own lies, do you? To fight the enemy you must understand your enemy. You're not even good at attempting to twist the truth. Try again.


LOL. Once again Utah, like other deluded right wingers on this forum, attempts to discredit me by pretending that I have not invoked the writings of a CONSERVATIVE group. Th e group in that link completely refutes his previous illogical post. It proves him wrong, while again proving me correct.

I rest my case. ;)
 

maxwel

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LOL. Once again Utah, like other deluded right wingers on this forum, attempts to discredit me by pretending that I have not invoked the writings of a CONSERVATIVE group. Th e group in that link completely refutes his previous illogical post. It proves him wrong, while again proving me correct.

I rest my case. ;)

If that's what you think, then you have no idea what Utah actually said.

Perhaps you should listen more than you speak.


Bad Frog.
 

peacenik

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If that's what you think, then you have no idea what Utah actually meant.

Perhaps you should listen more than you speak.

Cheers.



Actually, it is you right wingers who need to think before you post. You frequently make highly emotional charges and baseless accusations which I readily refute, then you turn around and accuse me of badgering people because I prove myself correct and prove you wrong. Funny how I have been accused of being pro abortion, a communist, a porn lover, a satanist, a Muslim, and all that because of the links I provide to prove my points - and then I am the one accused of badgering! This despite the fact that my sources are principally CONSERVATIVE as with the one he attempts (unsuccessfully) to refute. Try to help him all you want - but it just won't work. And by the way, I am still waiting for your friends to prove the accusations they have previously made. Despite my repeated requests for proof, they continue to remain silent after making these baseless accusations and projections.


Still waiting .....
 

maxwel

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Actually, it is you right wingers who need to think before you post. You frequently make highly emotional charges and baseless accusations which I readily refute, then you turn around and accuse me of badgering people because I prove myself correct and prove you wrong. Funny how I have been accused of being pro abortion, a communist, a porn lover, a satanist, a Muslim, and all that because of the links I provide to prove my points - and then I am the one accused of badgering! This despite the fact that my sources are principally CONSERVATIVE as with the one he attempts (unsuccessfully) to refute. Try to help him all you want - but it just won't work. And by the way, I am still waiting for your friends to prove the accusations they have previously made. Despite my repeated requests for proof, they continue to remain silent after making these baseless accusations and projections.


Still waiting .....


Naughty Frog.

Very naughty frog.
 
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