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Jesus often judged the behavior of other people during His ministry on earth. In fact, in the end, He will judge all behavior of every person (Acts 10:42, Matthew 25, etc...).

NO, every judge in the world doesn't need to step down immediately and societies do not need to rapidly deteriorate into lawless chaos with every criminal immediately freed and allowed to do whatever they want (including murder, assault, extortion, robbery, organized crime, etc...) because no one has the right to judge another.

Read Romans 13 and learn what it actually means. It's Biblical that earthly judges implement a godly rule of law and judge those who break it (note: this is not to be confused with governments wrongly implementing ungodly laws).

In Mathew 7:1-5, Jesus taught not to judge at all if we judge others the way the Pharisees did in failing to remove our own blindness beforehand.

Read 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 with regard to judging people in the church. Inside the church, we judge those who grossly violate God's moral law (1 Corinthians 5) in our midst. We don't do this as the Pharisees did, we do examine ourselves and deal with our own hearts and lives beforehand and we do follow the Biblical model for it (see https://bible.org/article/church-discipline ).

The historical background of the Corinthian church is interesting. It has long been recognized by Biblical historical scholars that many of the problems Paul addresses in the church at Corinth are grounded in their wrong thinking (that was a result of the Hellenism and mystical cults that had spread across the Roman Empire from the East which many of the gentile believers had followed before becoming Christians).

You see Plato had taught that the body was the tomb of the soul; that death brought liberation from physical captivity; that already in this life one could transcend the negative arena of matter by a higher knowledge of ultimate reality. Various Hellenistic cults offered immortality via union with the god or gods, sometimes symbolized or achieved through cultic prostitution.

Within such a religious philosophical climate, Paul’s teaching regarding freedom “in Christ” and life “in the Spirit” was all too often, and particularly at Corinth, perverted into an enthusiastic libertinism that rejected moral restraints, particularly in the realm of the physical.

The proper response, both to the intolerable case of sexual immorality as well as to their imagined philosophical superiorities, should have been mourning. A repentant attitude would inevitably lead to the removal of the gross immoral offender from their church and fellowship.

That some form of excommunication is intended is clear not only from 1 Corinthians 5:2, but from the Passover analogy in 1 Corinthians 5:6–8 (“Get rid of the old yeast”) and the citation of Deuteronomy 17:7 (“Expel the wicked man from among you”—1 Cor 5:13). The nature of the removal is expressed in the ambiguous phrase “hand this man over to Satan.” Its purpose is twofold: (1) that his “sinful nature” or “flesh” would be destroyed and (2) that his “spirit” would be saved (1 Cor 5:5).

However, the phrase “hand over to Satan” must be recognized in some figurative metaphorical sense as a person literally abandoned to Satan would seem to be lost irrevocably and this end is not envisioned.

The ancient Corinthians had the same problem many who profess to believe in God do today: wrong thinking rooted in ignorance, rebellion, and immersion in an increasingly immoral society.

Read ALL three pages of Skye Jethani M.Div.'s article titled 'What Did Jesus Mean by "Judge Not"? Nine out of ten young people say Christians are judgmental, but are they right?' in Christianity Today.

It will help you truly understand what Jesus Christ actually meant: What Did Jesus Mean by "Judge Not"? | PARSE
It always confounds me that modern society is deemed by staunch Christians to be the society most depraved throughout all history, that modern government is considered the most oppressive, that modern thought is considered the most restrictive. It was only several hundred years ago where women were burned in the streets on a suspicious whim by authority of the government and sanction of the church, men tortured openly by authority of the government and sanction of the church, human beings stoned in stocks by vicious mobs by authority of the government and sanction of the church. It was only several hundred years ago that sins such as adultery were considered criminal and met with brutal beatings, savage executions and torment unto confession where neither proof nor mercy were required. It was only several hundred years ago when the most punishable offences weren't the state sponsored, clergy condoned tearing of flesh from a person's bones but dissent towards governments and God!

Well thank God that's changed! Thank God you have the right to question governments now! I'm very grateful we don't see you stoned in the street while the religious masses parade your bloody flesh around like a morbid trophy to King and country! See, I much rather that homosexuality be the bane of an age in the eyes of the mob than violent oppression be the cure to the world's ills in the eyes of the state; I much rather you have the right to voice your grievances against homosexuals just as homosexuals have the right to ignore it; and I much rather a man kiss a man than a man kill a man!

Just like social condemnation never cured the social scourge of murder, nor that of adultery, nor that of torture and heinous violence, so social condemnation will not rid us of homosexuality. Thank God you have a choice not to be homosexual, then!

It's an epiphany to discover that I do not have to agree with homosexuality to accept that it happens in human societies. It is a revelation to understand that nobody forces me to be either gay or straight, and it is a liberation to realize homosexuality's existence has no bearing on my own sexual choices.

Thank God for liberals, eh?
 
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You've strung together a litany of erroneous false assertions revealing to those of us who know better that you are a profoundly ignorant "Human." The decision to remain in or not remain in your present state of profound ignorance is, of course, your own though I will most likely begin to refute your false assertions and bring you much needed correction when I am finished here with my current tasks.

That will be a blessing to you, and an act of mercy, though I've experienced that ignorant rebellious people whose life is marked by great immorality often don't like it... lol.
 

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I am glad you are posting again Age! I have missed your well thought out responses.

You'd make a good neighbor too but if I remember correctly from older posts you live in Cali, sorry, couldn't pay me to lol!
aww i live in ca. It ain't that bad. ..it's worse. We have a dem and a repub. running against each other for governor...both libs.
 
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You've strung together a litany of erroneous false assertions revealing to those of us who know better that you are a profoundly ignorant "Human." The decision to remain in or not remain in your present state of profound ignorance is, of course, your own though I will most likely begin to refute your false assertions and bring you much needed correction when I am finished here with my current tasks.

That will be a blessing to you, and an act of mercy, though I've experienced that ignorant rebellious people whose life is marked by great immorality often don't like it... lol.
In my experience once someone assumes the position of 'knowing better' than others taking a superior position are usually the most ignorant of all!
 
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You've strung together a litany of erroneous false assertions revealing to those of us who know better that you are a profoundly ignorant "Human." The decision to remain in or not remain in your present state of profound ignorance is, of course, your own though I will most likely begin to refute your false assertions and bring you much needed correction when I am finished here with my current tasks.

That will be a blessing to you, and an act of mercy, though I've experienced that ignorant rebellious people whose life is marked by great immorality often don't like it... lol.
Whoever you are, it seems to me that it benefits a person to read the world without drawing black and white, to view it and to understand how complex all issues really are, to deepen and broaden the mind, yet your comments seem disparate, bleak, hate-filled even; a linguistically articulate, yet simultaneously beastly, verse. If, as you say, you hold all the answers, then such genuine knowledge and such timeless wisdom and such astute observation of the God and of love and of the beauty of the world as you profess to know should sway you from the kind of undignified brutishness you're espousing, simply by the virtue of its grace and its subtlety. But I'd wager such self-reverent ideas as saving others, assuming others require your mercy and your blessing, inevitably make viewing reality like seeing sun through thickets of poison ivy; it is just as impossible as reaching anything beyond the illusory gates and walls it grows upon.
 
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I imagine you would agree, ironically, that it is not your offer of salvation I require, yet you offer me it all the same. Who are you to offer to me what's not yours to give? Likewise, can you be flawed and demand others be perfect?

This is why it's said, 'with what measure you use, it will be measured back to you'.

Throwing stones at others is a bit like grinding your weeds with your rye, and pointed fingers make for hands that aren't fit to lend. What ails you cant be cured by ill speech anymore than what causes me to stumble can be undone by throwing sticks in the road. Hatred can't put an end to hatred, condemnation an end to condemnation, or pride and end to pride.

It's not ignorance to look at a thing in its entirety as much as is presently possibly, AgeOfKnowledge. It isn't selfishness to allow others a chance to try, either.

The idea that I am immersed in an immoral lifestyle because I have presented you with an alternative point of view is like the idea that all speech, thought and action are intently and expressly what is seen on the surface; that every charitable man gives out of his sense of altruism or that every person who takes a drug does so for no other reason, rhyme or cause than to be high.

It seems a very blinkered way to see.
 
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In my experience once someone assumes the position of 'knowing better' than others taking a superior position are usually the most ignorant of all!
Paul put it this way:

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools

Or if you prefer Solomon's way with words:

Fools mock at sin, but among the upright there is favor

The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who heeds counsel is wise

He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed.
 
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Here is a thought.
Broom, back door, house, yours = sweep
Closet, house, skeletons, yours= secrets too
sins ,mistakes, lies, yours= all are guilty of
He among us who is without sin cast the first stone!! = use wisdom in all we say wise and dumb will never equal wisdom!!
I may not be gay but being gay is not news its just another element to sin, sin concerns me the deception the world is under concerns me. A lot of the topics and postings concern me.
But hey I pray, fast love in spite of and reach and teach when I can. I don't agree with the personal positions of many as personal positions tend to lead us in ways of the flesh.
I find my life is grounded for me in applying biblical principles to as mush of my life as possible. Makes it easier for me.
 
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Then this will be a new experience for you. I hope you are wise enough to learn from it.

In my experience once someone assumes the position of 'knowing better' than others taking a superior position are usually the most ignorant of all!
 
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"Human," it always confounds me when modern "progressive" liberals like yourself falsely assert that the Christianization of Western Civilization, with it's inherent normative morality rooted in creator God's special and general revelation, is so morally depraved that only immersion into erroneous relativism (with its sweeping immorality), faulty pluralism, and/or atheism can "save" it.

This is pure nonsense to the point that even making such a statement is to make an irreparably flawed assertion. Your position is historically, logically, philosophically, theologically, and every other epistemological domain-ly patently false. The agents of corruption that constructed it (and we know who they are) have been and are presently still engaged in a disingenuous gross revisionism.

To start with, they ignore the benefits wrought from the application of God's normative morality and special revelation to humanity while disingenuously altering history and epistemologies to further their own false and corrupt ideology. The truth is that Christianity slowly, but progressively, largely negated the practice of pagan human sacrifice, [satanic] occultism, and later human slavery that permeated the wicked pagan cultures of Europe which Christianity largely replaced.

In fact, it was the local cultural practices of pagan human sacrifice stretching back into antiquity carried over that was often responsible for the common people's "local enthusiasms" in executing the up to 60,000 people accused of witchcraft (not just women as 20 percent were men) during the 400 years from 1400 to 1800 that the unfortunate practice existed.

As the eminant sociologist and historian Rodney Stark explains in 'For the Glory of God' (see the section 'God's Enemies'):

"Some of the most famous episodes never took place, existing only in fraudulent accounts and forged documents, and even the current 'scholarly' literature abounds in absurd death tolls."

He notes that:

"The frequency and intensity of witch-hunting was highest where and when: (1) Serious efforts were made to suppress magic and sorcery, and there was a high probability that satanism would be imputed to such activities, and (2) there was substantial conflict among religious groups representing credible threats to one another's institutional power, causing the withdrawal of tolerance for religious nonconformity, and (3) weak central ecclesiastical and/or political governance prevented "national" elites from curtailing local enthusiasms."

Christianity, by any actual historically accurate standard, stands apart from the excesses of paganism and false religious systems such as Islam but let's put that into historical perspective by comparing it to the modern democide perpetuated by the twenty-two "enlightened" state atheistic governments of the 20th century which murdered 153,368,610 people and engaged in the sweeping persecution and oppression, in one form or another, of about one-third of the world's population (see Vox Day and also Rummel's statistics of democide from 1900).

Not that this is a problem for state atheists which has no ultimately meaningful reason for not engaging in such sweeping democide as it posits that humans are but accidental complex bacteria smeared across a rock in a dying universe that is expanding to the point no biological life will ever be possible in it again.

And obviously witch burnings, pagan genocide, Muslim genocide, state atheist democide, etc... violate God's new covenant normative morality; a fact the modern "progressive" liberals choose to ignore because to acknowledge the truth interferes with their futile attempt to "justly" condemn the Christian worldview (or at least a genuine exegesis of it) and their "slow march" to replace it with their false and immoral ideology.

Understand that one's chances of surviving unscathed from religious persecution in 1600 Christianized Europe was EXPONENTIALLY greater than escaping persecution as a religious person under state atheism in the 20th century where you could be thrown into a hard labor prison for a "tenner" (e.g. ten years of hard labor) with a 50/50 chance of survival for merely suggesting that God might actually exist (or that an American car might operate mechanically better than a Soviet one).

Unfortunately, the oppressive leftist mentality has gained traction in the U.S. and Europe where failing to facilitate a normatively immoral event when ordered to do so by a homosexual can result in the financial ruin and possible imprisonment of moral small business owners with some European countries literally persecuting one for merely expressing an accurate exegesis of scripture... a very UNliberal act that violates the human rights of moral people under natural law to a free moral conscience that aligns with God's normative morality not to mention their religious liberties bringing us back to the observable behavior of modern "progressive" liberals as agents of corruption, revisionism, and oppressors of the moral.

And we haven't even touched on the large body of reality that these agents of corruption, revisionism, and oppression have knowingly omitted from the texts they produce which are designed to propagate their ideology.

You'd have to look far and wide, for example, to find any reference whatsoever in their literature to the fact that it was against the law for men in the early, middle, and high periods of Europe to abuse or fail to provide for their families and men were both fined and jailed for this; or the fact that a million Europeans were kidnapped and enslaved off the coasts of Europe by North Africans during the Atlantic Slave Trade and that white slavery was so common that Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in a single decade and black freemen bought and sold both black and white slaves right through the Civil War; etc... etc... etc...

All random examples, of course, but they illustrate how seriously flawed the literature produced by modern liberals today is in their disingenuous attempt to indoctrinate rather than instruct... exactly what they accomplished with you.

These agents of corruption and revisionism fail to acknowledge the genuine liberty derived from God was reflected in Christianized Western Civilization upon the metaphysical foundation of the Christian worldview (politics notwithstanding).

It was because the Western Civilization of their era was rooted in the Christian worldview which depicts God as a real, rational, responsive, dependable, moral, omnipotent, etc... that the world was rational and knowable in a way that produced an authoritative normative moral liberty (the benefits of which are being lost as the nation drifts from God), the rise of modern science, etc... leading civilization away from the pagan debauchery these modern "progressive" liberals are redirecting Western Civilization back into [emphasis added].

The texts of conservative scholars clearly explain why the prevailing epistemologies in civilizations outside Europe stifled their progression in these areas (e.g. a cyclical approach to time, an astrological approach to the heavens, metaphysical views that either deified nature [animism] or denied it [idealism]), why state atheism failed, and why modern "progressive" liberal erroneous relativism and pluralism are presently failing Western societies and leading them into negative socio-economic and metaphysical consequences.

Since I already have Stark out here, let's stay with him for now. He points out:

"The identification of the era beginning in about 1600 as the 'Enlightenment' is as inappropriate as the identification of the millennium before it as the 'Dark Ages.' And both imputations were made by the same people- intellectuals who wished to discredit religion and especially the Roman Catholic Church, and who therefore associated faith with darkness and secular humanism with light. To these ends they sought credit for the "Scientific Revolution" (another of their concepts), even though none of them had played any significant part in the scientific enterprise.

One of the first steps in this effort was to designate their own era as the 'Enlightenment,' and to claim it was a sudden and complete disjuncture with the past. To this end, the 'Dark Ages' were invented. Among the very first ever to do so, Voltaire (1694-1778) described medieval Europe as hopelessly mired in 'decay and degeneracy.' This became the universal theme. Jean-Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778) wrote of previous centuries:

'Europe had relapsed into the barbarism of the earliest ages. The peoples of this part of the world, so enlightened today, lived some centuries ago in a condition worse than ignorance.' A century later, when Jacob Burckhardt (1818-1897) popularized the idea of the 'Renaissance,' the 'Dark Ages' were a historical certitude, not to be shaken until late in the twentieth century.

Moreover, it was not enough to blame the 'Dark Ages' on Christianity; religion must also be denied any credit for the rise of science. Hence it was necessary to discredit the achievements of the Scholastic era. In keeping with this aim, John Locke (1632-1704) denounced the Scholastics as hopelessly lost in a maze of trivial concerns, as 'the great mintmasters' of useless terms as an 'expedient to cover their ignorance.' In similar fashion, one after another of the philosophes condemned Catholic scholarship until the word 'scholastic' became an epithet- defined as 'pedantic and dogmatic' according to any edition of Webster.

With the past out of the way, the central aspect of the campaign by the likes of David Hume, Voltaire, and their associates consisted of wrapping themselves in the achievements of science to authenticate their condemnation of religion in general, and Catholicism very specifically. Franklin L. Baumer noted that 'the Enlightenment was a great Age of Faith. Then he asked, rhetorically, 'But faith in what?' Not religion, but 'belief in man's power.' And the proof of this power was science, which, to paraphrase Laplace, made God an unneeded hypothesis. Never mind that the actual discoveries had been made by 'serious and often devout Christians.'

What mattered was that, in the words of Peter Gay, 'science could give the deists and atheists great comfort and supply them with what they wanted- Newton's physics without Newton's God. "Indeed, although Voltaire and his circle were careful to acknowledge Newton's commitment to a Creator (albeit only to a remote and impersonal Prime Mover), subsequent generations of 'Enlightenment' ideologues took great pains to further minimize Newton's faith.

The leading scientific figures in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries overwhelmingly were devout Christians who believed it their duty to comprehend God's handiwork. Turning to an assessment of the 'Enlightenment,' I show it to have been conceived initially as a propaganda ploy by militant atheists and humanists who attempted to claim credit for the rise of science. The falsehood that science required the defeat of religion was proclaimed by such self-appointed cheerleaders as Voltaire, Diderot, and Gibbon, who themselves played no part in the scientific enterprise-a pattern that continues."

^ And continues with people like yourself "Human." How ignorant of modern "progressive" liberals to revise the truth solely for propaganda purposes and redirect humanity back into the mire of sweeping immorality with it's inherent grave temporal and eternal consequences. Better to raise normatively moral people who build normatively moral societies (materially speaking).

And speaking of that normative moral human liberty, it wasn't the intellectuals of the Enlightenment that brought about abolitionism. The Humanists longed for the glories of Greece and Rome and asserted the superiority of pagan classicalism largely indifferent to the fact that these were slave societies. A virtual Who's Who of Enlightenment figures fully accepted slavery. Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, Voltaire, Baron Montesquieu, Comte de Mirabeau, Edmund Burke, David Hume, etc... The vast majority of the intellectuals of the "Enlightenment" fell far short of matching the extent and passion of abolitionist commitment spreading through Christian circles.

It was people of intense Christian faith (both Protestant and Catholic) who opposed slavery because it was a sin against the Imago Dei of God who endows all normative moral liberty (not to be confused with immorality). This is reflected in the Declaration and founding father's publications though they had to compromise with the minority of Americans that would not relinquish slavery to ensure the unity of the union. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Jay noted that there had been few serious efforts to dismantle the institution of slavery prior to the Founding Fathers in world history and it's worth nothing that Washington and other founding fathers freed their slaves before their deaths though your fetish Jefferson did not even though it's obvious from his writings that he too knew and agreed human slavery was morally wrong leaving it for the next generation of young men to achieve: The Founding Fathers and Slavery (Founding Fathers) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

Tossing out your long litany of misinformed condemnations directed at the Christian worldview, we return to this idea modern "progressive" liberals like yourself have that immorality is equitable to and/or a suitable replacement for normative morality. It's not, never was, and never shall be for human beings.

There is nothing "enlightened" about such a false assertion that when acted upon ultimately results in judgment. Immorality, by definition, is immoral and has already been judged by the one true holy creator God.

A society that falls into wickedness can temporarily legislate all of the immorality they choose to and seek to use the government as a tool to persecute the moral but no government's de facto (and temporary) authority ever supersedes God's de jure (and eternal) authority. All such a negative deviation accomplishes is to beg God's judgment.

Sexual immorality is a corrupting and corrosive influence both in the lives of those who practice it and the societies they live in. If you ever take a sociology 101 class, you'll learn that people interact and this interaction causes social change which itself affects people. To put it in a more scholarly way: people's beliefs, attitudes, decisions, and behaviors affect society influencing cultures, structures, and institutions, for better or worse, which, in turn, affects people.

Given the importance of people's beliefs, attitudes, decisions, and behaviors to their own lives, the lives of others, and society; it is imperative that they be rooted in the only objective absolute truth that exists (e.g. Creator God's special and general revelation). Each person has a view of the world which includes their conception of reality, the universe, the world, morality, etc... that they exercise (affecting society). Their worldview may or may not align with truth which is found in correspondence. If it does, then society benefits from their clarity but if it does not then their distorted reality negatively affects society.

Sexual immorality is a corruptive deviation from normative morality that negatively affects both people and their societies.
 
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Your false assertions, presumptions, ad hominem, etc... I'll simply leave with you as they do not accurately represent me or my Christian worldview.

In truth, it's out of love that I both hold to the truth and take the time to share it with misinformed people such as yourself who believe falsehoods like philosophical relativism and religious pluralism.

Sexual immorality may be beautiful and loving to you while God's holiness is bleak and hate-filled but all you're doing by making such a false assertion is revealing how spiritually deceived you really are.

The truth is that God's holiness is beautiful and loving and I love both it and God for introducing it into my own life while sexual immorality is oppressive and bleak and I thank God for the deliverance he's so graciously given me from it.

But carry on if you like. I'll refute you, but for many reasons I won't try to stop you. Not the least of them is that misinformed people like yourself who make manifold false assertions provide good antagonists and that allows me to communicate God's truth on this forum.

Peace to you, I'm off to do some gracious and loving activities that do NOT include immorality ;).


Whoever you are, it seems to me that it benefits a person to read the world without drawing black and white, to view it and to understand how complex all issues really are, to deepen and broaden the mind, yet your comments seem disparate, bleak, hate-filled even; a linguistically articulate, yet simultaneously beastly, verse. If, as you say, you hold all the answers, then such genuine knowledge and such timeless wisdom and such astute observation of the God and of love and of the beauty of the world as you profess to know should sway you from the kind of undignified brutishness you're espousing, simply by the virtue of its grace and its subtlety. But I'd wager such self-reverent ideas as saving others, assuming others require your mercy and your blessing, inevitably make viewing reality like seeing sun through thickets of poison ivy; it is just as impossible as reaching anything beyond the illusory gates and walls it grows upon.
 
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I don't know much about Steve Jobs but I do know that when you are in a position of influence that hundreds of thousands of young techie guys look up to and then you call sin a gift from God then you are leading people astray. The bible says that when you lead people you are judged more strictly.

I pray that this guy finds repentance and restoration in our Lord Jesus
 
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Ha ha!

What are all you haters going to do? Go Android??

You really think Google are an Anti-Gay alternative??? Ha ha!

You might have to do something so horrific!! You might have to love your neighbour on this one!!!!'

Oh Noes!!! What about...teh Gheys???? :p
 
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Ha ha!

What are all you haters going to do? Go Android??

You really think Google are an Anti-Gay alternative??? Ha ha!

You might have to do something so horrific!! You might have to love your neighbour on this one!!!!'

Oh Noes!!! What about...teh Gheys???? :p
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Not quite sure what your image has to do with this post but whtever its not the first time youve gone completely batty. All David is saying that for reliable smartphone OS, Christians who like to boycott anything gay-related are quickly running pout of options and maybe will have to learn to live with others they disagree with.
 

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Not quite sure what your image has to do with this post but whtever its not the first time youve gone completely batty. All David is saying that for reliable smartphone OS, Christians who like to boycott anything gay-related are quickly running pout of options and maybe will have to learn to live with others they disagree with.
May just have to turn to Windows Phone, because Google are huge advocates for homosexuality. Nokia phones are awesome anyway lol
 
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Always with the ad hominem Nautilus but it doesn't change a thing. David's post was so immature, I felt mirroring that back might be beneficial.

But let's address your own post. We already live in a world in which people engage in immoral behaviors that both God and us (e.g. His people) disagree with. You may just be coming to realize it but this is nothing new and has been occurring since Christ's ascension in which first and second century Christian assemblies found themselves surrounded by a very immoral pagan world that wanted to kill them (and often did). Your point is ignorant when viewed in a historical perspective.

Our "options," as you put it, are the same that they've always been and some Christians elect to reward morality and not reward immorality as they go through life. This will continue until Christ's return despite your self-tailored "prophecy" that the world will become so immoral that no Christian can any longer reward morality and not reward immorality and therefore must embrace the immoral and reward their immorality which I'd venture to say you probably do already... lol.

The truth is Nautilus that no matter how immoral the world becomes, genuine Christians are not going to accept the world's immorality in their lives. Nor are they in koinōniain with the unrepentantly immoral. Their community fellowship is centered in participating together in the life of Christ as made possible by the Spirit. This foundational shared participation indicates the basic characteristics of the Christians’ life together as a community of disciples.

You two need to consider that even though sweeping societal sexual immorality is no big deal to you: it's a really big deal to God which demonstrates you both are out of synch with God's will which Christ clearly expressed in his prayer to God the father in Matthew 6:10: "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven."

Grow up.


Not quite sure what your image has to do with this post but whtever its not the first time youve gone completely batty. All David is saying that for reliable smartphone OS, Christians who like to boycott anything gay-related are quickly running pout of options and maybe will have to learn to live with others they disagree with.
 
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Apple CEO Tim Cook spoke out publicly about his sexuality in an op-ed for Bloomberg Businessweek, saying, "I'm proud to be heterosexual", and that he hoped to inspire others.
"While I have never denied my [heterosexual] sexuality, I haven’t publicly acknowledged it either, until now,"

"So let me be clear: I’m proud to be heterosexual, and I consider being heterosexual among the greatest gifts God has given me."

Anyone see a problem with this? Why is one okay and the other one is not? (when in reality, neither of them are good)
The problem with all this "gay pride" is the fact that it reduces humanity to sexuality. All you are is your sexuality. Your sexuality defines your worth and who you are. That's a pretty shallow and depressing existence in my opinion. I guess single people who never marry pretty much waste their lives away according to this celebrated worldview.
 

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Always with the ad hominem Nautilus but it doesn't change a thing. David's post was so immature, I felt mirroring that back might be beneficial.

But let's address your own post. We already live in a world in which people engage in immoral behaviors that both God and us (e.g. His people) disagree with. You may just be coming to realize it but this is nothing new and has been occurring since Christ's ascension in which first and second century Christian assemblies found themselves surrounded by a very immoral pagan world that wanted to kill them (and often did). Your point is ignorant when viewed in a historical perspective.

Our "options," as you put it, are the same that they've always been and some Christians elect to reward morality and not reward immorality as they go through life. This will continue until Christ's return despite your self-tailored "prophecy" that the world will become so immoral that no Christian can any longer reward morality and not reward immorality and therefore must embrace the immoral and reward their immorality which I'd venture to say you probably do already... lol.

The truth is Nautilus that no matter how immoral the world becomes, genuine Christians are not going to accept the world's immorality in their lives. Nor are they in koinōniain with the unrepentantly immoral. Their community fellowship is centered in participating together in the life of Christ as made possible by the Spirit. This foundational shared participation indicates the basic characteristics of the Christians’ life together as a community of disciples.

You two need to consider that even though sweeping societal sexual immorality is no big deal to you: it's a really big deal to God which demonstrates you both are out of synch with God's will which Christ clearly expressed in his prayer to God the father in Matthew 6:10: "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven."

Grow up.
So both of the biggest computer operating systems are pro-gay...do you use windows, apple, or some unheard of third-party christian OS? I mean otherwise you are supporting companies which funnel money into gay organizations?