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JosephsDreams

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Hey...........IF either Trump or Hillary ACTUALLY HAD a come to Jesus moment............ I WOULD REJOICE!

(but I'm not holding my breath.......)

I pray for ALL our Nation's Leaders............as God told us to do........I pray that God works His will with them and in them. Problem is, they do have free will........and can really, really mess it all up.
This is the real issue. We are getting a lower level of leaders then 40/50 years ago because we are living a lower level of morality.
The lower the morality, the higher the mortality.
 
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Hey...........IF either Trump or Hillary ACTUALLY HAD a come to Jesus moment............ I WOULD REJOICE!

(but I'm not holding my breath.......)

I pray for ALL our Nation's Leaders............as God told us to do........I pray that God works His will with them and in them. Problem is, they do have free will........and can really, really mess it all up.

I dont know how you can concentrate to pray while holding your breath:p
 

JosephsDreams

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Its called breathless prayer. That's why we pray in faith.
 

JosephsDreams

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Well only because mine are probably a lot crummier. :D
 

Desdichado

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Trump wins in the Northeast! In other news, water is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen. The earth turns counter-clockwise. Socrates was a man. Color me shocked.
 

p_rehbein

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Originally Posted by JosephsDreams

I have found out that in politics 6 months may as well be like 5 years. So much can happen.

Very true......

With the economy, with overseas strife, terrorism.

Not only that, but I personally believe that Trump has a excellent chance of being elected.

Not according to the data thus far.....just saying


The problem for him, I think, is actually less the general election and more his own party.
They just don't want him there

Problem is....he is a life long Liberal Democrat..so which is actually his Party?
I am from NYC, not that that means I know him better then you. I may, or may not. But he is really more of a moderate then a lifelong liberal. Which makes him more electable in the general election.


It is a old boy network doing back room deals to try and keep him out.

Thus far, the RNC and others have been very open and upfront about their dislike of Trump and their desire to keep him from being the Nominee........how does that equate to a "back room" deal?
So you think absolutely everything has been made public of the inner workings of the party??



They want to retain the traditional power structure, and he is not from that ilk.

Yes, they do want to retain the power structure, however he IS FROM THAT ILK. Has been all of his adult life. Trump has "gamed the system" for his personal benefit for many, many years.
He is not of that ilk from a political standpoint. I think your comparing apples to oranges. Running as a politician to be president is vastly different then being a businessman, I think.



this could get confusing........ :)

That "ilk" is the Establishment that exists in Politics. The Establishment is a two sided coin. On one side are the Elected Officials, on the other side are the Special Interests, Lobbyists, and Big Money Power Players.........it is the SAME COIN.......so, it is not apples and oranges. He is of that ilk.

Until he decided to run for President as a Republican, he supported partial birth abortion, Big Government, Big Spending, same sex marriage, and transgender rights. He has been a long time supporter and contributor to the DNC and Reid, Pelosi, as well as other very liberal Democrats. Not sure that is a picture of a "moderate." When I think of a Moderate Democrat, I think of such as Heath Schuler and others.........we here know them as Blue Dog Democrats.

With regards to the inner workings.........maybe not, but there has been no evidence to support the backroom deals mentioned......just saying....and neither has Donald revealed all that has gone on in his backroom dealings....... :)

Anyway...........as you said, it's a long time (Politically speaking) until the General Elections.......


 
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Trump wins in the Northeast! In other news, water is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen. The earth turns counter-clockwise. Socrates was a man. Color me shocked.
Okayyyyyyyy :) Thanks:)
 
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Originally Posted by JosephsDreams

I have found out that in politics 6 months may as well be like 5 years. So much can happen.

Very true......

With the economy, with overseas strife, terrorism.

Not only that, but I personally believe that Trump has a excellent chance of being elected.

Not according to the data thus far.....just saying


The problem for him, I think, is actually less the general election and more his own party.
They just don't want him there

Problem is....he is a life long Liberal Democrat..so which is actually his Party?
I am from NYC, not that that means I know him better then you. I may, or may not. But he is really more of a moderate then a lifelong liberal. Which makes him more electable in the general election.


It is a old boy network doing back room deals to try and keep him out.

Thus far, the RNC and others have been very open and upfront about their dislike of Trump and their desire to keep him from being the Nominee........how does that equate to a "back room" deal?
So you think absolutely everything has been made public of the inner workings of the party??



They want to retain the traditional power structure, and he is not from that ilk.

Yes, they do want to retain the power structure, however he IS FROM THAT ILK. Has been all of his adult life. Trump has "gamed the system" for his personal benefit for many, many years.
He is not of that ilk from a political standpoint. I think your comparing apples to oranges. Running as a politician to be president is vastly different then being a businessman, I think.



this could get confusing........ :)

That "ilk" is the Establishment that exists in Politics. The Establishment is a two sided coin. On one side are the Elected Officials, on the other side are the Special Interests, Lobbyists, and Big Money Power Players.........it is the SAME COIN.......so, it is not apples and oranges. He is of that ilk.

Until he decided to run for President as a Republican, he supported partial birth abortion, Big Government, Big Spending, same sex marriage, and transgender rights. He has been a long time supporter and contributor to the DNC and Reid, Pelosi, as well as other very liberal Democrats. Not sure that is a picture of a "moderate." When I think of a Moderate Democrat, I think of such as Heath Schuler and others.........we here know them as Blue Dog Democrats.

With regards to the inner workings.........maybe not, but there has been no evidence to support the backroom deals mentioned......just saying....and neither has Donald revealed all that has gone on in his backroom dealings....... :)

Anyway...........as you said, it's a long time (Politically speaking) until the General Elections.......



If you want a perfect man you will have to ask God to make another pre-fall Adam:)
 

p_rehbein

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In a related note, I don't think naming Fiorina as his VP pick will help Cruz that much.......but who knows?
 

Desdichado

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It is a testimony though to his weakness as a candidate. Sure, his novelty gives this whole cycle a certain freshness. Compare his strength relative to the other candidates, though and it's all simply pitiful. If he wins enough delegates to win outright, I'll hail him for his strength. But since it is going to convention, I have serious concerns about his, or anyone else's strength in the general. But then the Dems are putting up a felon who much of the population is tiring of. Yeah, she's the devil we know, but the theme of this entire election cycle is the triumph of the devils we do not know. That said, if Obama were running for a fourth term, we would be stuffed and mounted.
 

JosephsDreams

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Originally Posted by JosephsDreams

I have found out that in politics 6 months may as well be like 5 years. So much can happen.

Very true......

With the economy, with overseas strife, terrorism.

Not only that, but I personally believe that Trump has a excellent chance of being elected.

Not according to the data thus far.....just saying


The problem for him, I think, is actually less the general election and more his own party.
They just don't want him there

Problem is....he is a life long Liberal Democrat..so which is actually his Party?
I am from NYC, not that that means I know him better then you. I may, or may not. But he is really more of a moderate then a lifelong liberal. Which makes him more electable in the general election.


It is a old boy network doing back room deals to try and keep him out.

Thus far, the RNC and others have been very open and upfront about their dislike of Trump and their desire to keep him from being the Nominee........how does that equate to a "back room" deal?
So you think absolutely everything has been made public of the inner workings of the party??



They want to retain the traditional power structure, and he is not from that ilk.

Yes, they do want to retain the power structure, however he IS FROM THAT ILK. Has been all of his adult life. Trump has "gamed the system" for his personal benefit for many, many years.
He is not of that ilk from a political standpoint. I think your comparing apples to oranges. Running as a politician to be president is vastly different then being a businessman, I think.



this could get confusing........ :)

That "ilk" is the Establishment that exists in Politics. The Establishment is a two sided coin. On one side are the Elected Officials, on the other side are the Special Interests, Lobbyists, and Big Money Power Players.........it is the SAME COIN.......so, it is not apples and oranges. He is of that ilk.

Until he decided to run for President as a Republican, he supported partial birth abortion, Big Government, Big Spending, same sex marriage, and transgender rights. He has been a long time supporter and contributor to the DNC and Reid, Pelosi, as well as other very liberal Democrats. Not sure that is a picture of a "moderate." When I think of a Moderate Democrat, I think of such as Heath Schuler and others.........we here know them as Blue Dog Democrats.

With regards to the inner workings.........maybe not, but there has been no evidence to support the backroom deals mentioned......just saying....and neither has Donald revealed all that has gone on in his backroom dealings....... :)

Anyway...........as you said, it's a long time (Politically speaking) until the General Elections.......


We are just going to have to respect each others opinion on if he is from established Washington. I think not, you do. I read your reasons, I don;t think they hold water because of what I said, and you, in my perspective just basically said the same reason why you think so as in the other post, but just in a expanded version.
As far as if he is a democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, independent, whatever, I can't really see the point of getting to deep into this either.
What he may have been, he may not be now. What he was, he might be one day again.
The labels have a use, but only to a point.
Really, whatever he calls himself, or we call him, it only matters what kind of job he does if he gets elected.
I agree a lot of people want to look at him as their champion of this or that as a republican, but really, at the end of the day, all we can hope for, as you said, is that he comes to a tighter relationship with Jesus, assuming he even has one at all.

I think he is a way better choice then Hillary, if he comes closer to God or not.
 
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In a related note, I don't think naming Fiorina as his VP pick will help Cruz that much.......but who knows?
Ive read reports that have stated that he is already mathematically out. Its his grasping at straws move. He is out!
 

p_rehbein

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We are just going to have to respect each others opinion on if he is from established Washington. I think not, you do. I read your reasons, I don;t think they hold water because of what I said, and you, in my perspective just basically said the same reason why you think so as in the other post, but just in a expanded version.
As far as if he is a democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, independent, whatever, I can't really see the point of getting to deep into this either.
What he may have been, he may not be now. What he was, he might be one day again.
The labels have a use, but only to a point.
Really, whatever he calls himself, or we call him, it only matters what kind of job he does if he gets elected.
I agree a lot of people want to look at him as their champion of this or that as a republican, but really, at the end of the day, all we can hope for, as you said, is that he comes to a tighter relationship with Jesus, assuming he even has one at all.

I think he is a way better choice then Hillary, if he comes closer to God or not.
We will agree to disagree............. :)

I think BOTH of them are a clear and present danger to our Nation if EITHER of them are elected. I pray I am wrong. I fully understand God can work miracles, and work His will for all of us through either of them as well........

Anyway.......

:)
 

JosephsDreams

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I do admit that this is the exception where the Dem may be better in the short term for national security then the Republican. While I don't go as far as to say Trump is a ticking time bomb when it comes to over seas threats, I do think he is more capable to respond in a dangerous way then her. But conversely, she will just drag us into a yet lower state of respect as she continues the mollify and apologize policies of Obama.
So pick your poison on that front, war now, or later?
 
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Yes, it was a good day for him in the Nomination Campaign. However, in EVERY NATIONAL POLL, he STILL LOOSES to Hillary by double digits. HE EVEN LOOSES TO BERNIE.
the situation is even worse than that...

a very recent poll shows that 40% of republicans do not intend to vote for trump...18% of the republicans who will not vote for trump intend to simply stay home...

18% of 40% is 7.2%

disillusioned republicans staying home will affect elections all the way down the ballot...

in 2010...the most favorable election year republicans have had since the FDR administration...the republicans won four senate seats and thirty-two house seats by less than 7.2%

7.2% of republicans staying home means four senate seats and thirty-two house seats are lost to republicans...

fifty-four minus four is fifty...meaning the senate will be split 50-50...with hillary clinton's vice president serving as tiebreaker...

and a loss of thirty-two house seats means the democrats will control the house 220-215...

and of course hillary clinton will get to nominate justice scalia's replacement...if obama doesn't get his nominee approved before leaving office...

so in a scenario that is very reasonable if not -favorable- to the republicans...the democrats will control all three branches of government...

which means hillary clinton will get whatever she wants...if trump is the republican nominee...
 
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JosephsDreams

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If we were in the actual physical world rather then cyber space, I would bet a fair amount of money that either Trump would win the election, or come within 5 points of losing.
If he does lose, and I do not think that is a given, I think it is going to be closer then you seem to think.
 
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the situation is even worse than that...

a very recent poll shows that 40% of republicans do not intend to vote for trump...18% of the republicans who will not vote for trump intend to simply stay home...

18% of 40% is 7.2%

disillusioned republicans staying home will affect elections all the way down the ballot...

in 2010...the most favorable election year republicans have had since the FDR administration...the republicans won four senate seats and thirty-two house seats by less than 7.2%

7.2% of republicans staying home means four senate seats and thirty-two house seats are lost to republicans...

fifty-four minus four is fifty...meaning the senate will be split 50-50...with hillary clinton's vice president serving as tiebreaker...

and a loss of thirty-two house seats means the democrats will control the house 220-215...

and of course hillary clinton will get to nominate justice scalia's replacement...if obama doesn't get his nominee approved before leaving office...

so in a scenario that is very reasonable if not -favorable- to the republicans...the democrats will control all three branches of government...

which means hillary clinton will get whatever she wants...if trump is the republican nominee...

This is the sort of post I love to read. It digs down into the details of what is about to happen and why. Hillary will win. Democrats will win seats in Congress. The Supreme Court will never have a conservative majority again. If you are praying for a miracle, you might get one that involves Democrats taking us full speed toward the tribulation and the second coming of Christ.

It doesn't matter what Republican candidate wins in a blue state during a primary election. That state will be won by the Democrat in the general election. The question posed to Republican candidates before this primary season began was which blue state can you win in a general election in order to defeat the Democrat candidate? It looks like none, or worse, they will manage to lose in states that Republicans had previously won.

There is a reason Democrats don't need a strong candidate to win the White House. Demographics. The percentage of conservatives has not been growing. The percentage of Hispanic voters has been growing at a very rapid pace these last eight years. They mostly vote for Democrats. The larger number of Hispanic voters will result in Democrats winning not only the upcoming Presidential election, but all future Presidential elections and help Democrats win majorities in both houses of Congress. It is a mathematical certainty.

What about the FBI investigation. Many experts seem to feel that Hillary would easily defeat the Republican candidate from a jail cell, If she is indicted, she would not appear in a courtroom until after the election. She would still win in the fall. A Democrat would sit in the White House regardless of what happens to Hillary after she is elected. If she was impeached by a majority Democrat Congress, which is highly unlikely, another Democrat would take over. The Supreme Court is lost.

We all saw this coming. The demographics of the country have been changing for years, with a predictable outcome. Blacks, Hispanics, and liberal white people vote for Democrats. White conservatives vote for Republicans. White conservatives have not been having as many children as Hispanics. They now decide our elections. I believe you know how most of them feel about Republicans, especially Donald Trump, for those who think he is a Republican. At some point, it would be nice to know that conservatives on this site realize what is about to happen this fall. Prepare yourselves. If you thought the last two Presidential terms were rough, it is likely going to get worse.

Let us pray; Come quickly Lord Jesus.
 
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This is the sort of post I love to read. It digs down into the details of what is about to happen and why. Hillary will win. Democrats will win seats in Congress. The Supreme Court will never have a conservative majority again. If you are praying for a miracle, you might get one that involves Democrats taking us full speed toward the tribulation and the second coming of Christ.

It doesn't matter what Republican candidate wins in a blue state during a primary election. That state will be won by the Democrat in the general election. The question posed to Republican candidates before this primary season began was which blue state can you win in a general election in order to defeat the Democrat candidate? It looks like none, or worse, they will manage to lose in states that Republicans had previously won.

There is a reason Democrats don't need a strong candidate to win the White House. Demographics. The percentage of conservatives has not been growing. The percentage of Hispanic voters has been growing at a very rapid pace these last eight years. They mostly vote for Democrats. The larger number of Hispanic voters will result in Democrats winning not only the upcoming Presidential election, but all future Presidential elections and help Democrats win majorities in both houses of Congress. It is a mathematical certainty.

What about the FBI investigation. Many experts seem to feel that Hillary would easily defeat the Republican candidate from a jail cell, If she is indicted, she would not appear in a courtroom until after the election. She would still win in the fall. A Democrat would sit in the White House regardless of what happens to Hillary after she is elected. If she was impeached by a majority Democrat Congress, which is highly unlikely, another Democrat would take over. The Supreme Court is lost.

We all saw this coming. The demographics of the country have been changing for years, with a predictable outcome. Blacks, Hispanics, and liberal white people vote for Democrats. White conservatives vote for Republicans. White conservatives have not been having as many children as Hispanics. They now decide our elections. I believe you know how most of them feel about Republicans, especially Donald Trump, for those who think he is a Republican. At some point, it would be nice to know that conservatives on this site realize what is about to happen this fall. Prepare yourselves. If you thought the last two Presidential terms were rough, it is likely going to get worse.

Let us pray; Come quickly Lord Jesus.
My eyes are wide open . I have prepared. I see calamity coming and I have prepared. One can still hope that God will answer the prayers of those of his that are praying for this nation. I know what is written. It will come to pass but we are not yet certain how long it will take for all he** to break loose. Im hopeful but not delusional:)