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the media was practically cheerleading for ron paul just prior to the 2012 iowa caucuses...

if the media had actually tried to smear ron paul he would barely be able to show his face in public any more...see what happened to herman cain...

and your youtube video is ridiculous...ron paul didn't get cheated out of the presidency...he tried to cheat his way into the presidency...fortunately it didn't work...
You didn't even watch it and are now passing judgment on it. I'm done with you.
 
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Quite possibly. They'd need to toss aside all these advisors that have occupied the White House on and off for the past forty years and bring in their own people who aren't members of the CFR or whatnot.
They're so deeply entrenched and seeded at an international level as well as a domestic, I doubt we'd ever be able to clean house.

I'd love there to be a loophole somewhere in federal law where we could force term limits on the Legislative branch. Rather than wait till Hell opens an ice skate franchise so as to force term limits on the legislative branch. If two terms is good enough for the leader of this nation, it is long enough for the law makers.

Same goes for SCOTUS. There's no provision in the constitution that lets them sit for life. And since they're empowered to tell the president what to do by law, they need a two term limit too.

Clean house by limiting the time of occupation in the houses of power. Then see how things go when special interests, corporations, and lobbyists for God knows who, don't have thirty year senators on their payroll anymore.

Install a citizens oversight committee, populated with economists, attorneys, average citizens, to audit the legislative branch and the administrative at random. But with a mandatory number of reviews ever so many years. Watchdog's, as it were. Limit them too of course.

And, repeal the electoral congress. Make the popular vote the vote that elects to power. Also, repeal the law that forbids felons from having what was their constitutional right to vote prior to conviction.

When they've paid their debt to society they should be permitted to vote their future as one of the members of the society that will be governed none the less by whomever others vote into office.

One of the reasons the criminal justice system is so corrupt is to strip the vote from those classes that are prone to offending.
 
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They're so deeply entrenched and seeded at an international level as well as a domestic, I doubt we'd ever be able to clean house.

I'd love there to be a loophole somewhere in federal law where we could force term limits on the Legislative branch. Rather than wait till Hell opens an ice skate franchise so as to force term limits on the legislative branch. If two terms is good enough for the leader of this nation, it is long enough for the law makers.

Same goes for SCOTUS. There's no provision in the constitution that lets them sit for life. And since they're empowered to tell the president what to do by law, they need a two term limit too.

Clean house by limiting the time of occupation in the houses of power. Then see how things go when special interests, corporations, and lobbyists for God knows who, don't have thirty year senators on their payroll anymore.

Install a citizens oversight committee, populated with economists, attorneys, average citizens, to audit the legislative branch and the administrative at random. But with a mandatory number of reviews ever so many years. Watchdog's, as it were. Limit them too of course.

And, repeal the electoral congress. Make the popular vote the vote that elects to power. Also, repeal the law that forbids felons from having what was their constitutional right to vote prior to conviction.

When they've paid their debt to society they should be permitted to vote their future as one of the members of the society that will be governed none the less by whomever others vote into office.

One of the reasons the criminal justice system is so corrupt is to strip the vote from those classes that are prone to offending.
The will to do what you propose isn't there. People are content to sit in front of their TVs and be soothed by the pablum issuing forth from it. I think, if the American people today had the good sense of the Founding Fathers, there would have been another revolution by now. What has happened, though? Zilch.
 
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Whacked out isolationist? Do you work for Fox News?
How's that interventionism working out for you lately?
what interventionism? ISIS has been wreaking havoc in iraq and syria for months and the united states has done practically nothing...some 'advisors' and a handful of air strikes on isolated artillery pieces and a few reconnaissance flights and lots of speeches...

if you think that was 'interventionism' and not just a transparent attempt by obama to make it look like he isn't completely tuned out...then i have a lifetime pass for the al gore presidential library to sell you...

obama has been the least interventionist president in decades...the only thing worse would have been ron paul...if he had been elected then the russian army would be in kiev and ISIS would be in tel aviv right now...
 
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You didn't even watch it and are now passing judgment on it. I'm done with you.
you assume you're the first person ever to show me that youtube video...
 
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Maybe that's just the tonic that the country needs. Someone with no political experience and who hasn't been tainted by it.
Not for a position like President. You need someone with a bit of political experience to be President. Can't have anyone too new for that level of position. This is what I mean by the fact Hillary might very well be the only viable option. Plenty of experience both foreign and domestic policy, served as First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State. Hillary is extremely loyal and also propbably the only one of the mainstream contenders that can deal efectively with these other national leaders.
 
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what interventionism? ISIS has been wreaking havoc in iraq and syria for months and the united states has done practically nothing...some 'advisors' and a handful of air strikes on isolated artillery pieces and a few reconnaissance flights and lots of speeches...

if you think that was 'interventionism' and not just a transparent attempt by obama to make it look like he isn't completely tuned out...then i have a lifetime pass for the al gore presidential library to sell you...

obama has been the least interventionist president in decades...the only thing worse would have been ron paul...if he had been elected then the russian army would be in kiev and ISIS would be in tel aviv right now...
Obama least interventionist President in decades? Lol I don't know about that. Considerring under Obama we have bombed Libya, Iraq, still involved in Afghanistan, commandos in Uganda and CAR, were somewhat involved in the Ukraine coup, and got an openly secret drone campaign in Yemen might make Obama one of the most interventionist presidents next to George W. But alas Obama still has two more years to overtake W in the interventionist arena, and at this rate, he may very well do that.
 
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what interventionism? ISIS has been wreaking havoc in iraq and syria for months and the united states has done practically nothing...some 'advisors' and a handful of air strikes on isolated artillery pieces and a few reconnaissance flights and lots of speeches...

if you think that was 'interventionism' and not just a transparent attempt by obama to make it look like he isn't completely tuned out...then i have a lifetime pass for the al gore presidential library to sell you...

obama has been the least interventionist president in decades...the only thing worse would have been ron paul...if he had been elected then the russian army would be in kiev and ISIS would be in tel aviv right now...
Yeah, thanks. I've run into your type before. Anything other than Republicans who like to make war and you think they're traitors. I get it. I'm not keen on conversing with folks like you, because you cannot be reasoned with. The GOP is "God's Own Party", despite the fact they grow government every time they're in power, they make empty promises about family values and ending abortion to soothe gullible Christians who vote for them (once safely in power they forget about you and the country continues its trip into the moral sewer), and they promise to keep the country in a perpetual state of war and skyrocketing debt which, for some reason, really energizes some Christians who think it'll hasten the return of Christ or "punish" those who don't believe like we do.
It's like I'm living in Bizarro-land. Please turn off the TV and read up on American history.
Your own sixth president said this, “America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.”

So keep railing against Obama, as if he's any different than his predecessors in a measurable way. The two-party illusion has you fooled, all right.
 
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Not for a position like President. You need someone with a bit of political experience to be President. Can't have anyone too new for that level of position. This is what I mean by the fact Hillary might very well be the only viable option. Plenty of experience both foreign and domestic policy, served as First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State. Hillary is extremely loyal and also propbably the only one of the mainstream contenders that can deal efectively with these other national leaders.
Why? Look where experience has taken the United States. Plus, if you think Hillary Clinton is the panacea to your problems, just wow.
 
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Why? Look where experience has taken the United States. Plus, if you think Hillary Clinton is the panacea to your problems, just wow.
Lol I certainly don't think Hillary is the panacea to my problems. I don't think any President is. Hillary is merely the best pick out of the bunch of the names floated for possible nomination. She's the only one that can really deal with the other national leaders. Sorry but Ben Carson isn't going to be any match for Putin, nor is Rand Paul (whom I prefer of the GOP selection so far).

Only other person besides Hillary fit to be President right now is Colin Powell, but I think he is going to stay retired.
 

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Also, repeal the law that forbids felons from having what was their constitutional right to vote prior to conviction.

When they've paid their debt to society they should be permitted to vote their future as one of the members of the society that will be governed none the less by whomever others vote into office.
There is no Federal law (that I am aware of) that prohibits any felon from voting. Most poll regulations for elections are set by the individual state. I myself am a former felon who resides in the state of Colorado and this state only restricts felons from voting while they are in the system (incarcerated or parole). Once the person clears the system they can vote once again. If a convicted felon here is only sentenced to probation instead of Department of Corrections their right to vote continues unrestricted.

According to this site

State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

Two states have absolutely no restrictions on felons voting,
13 states and DC only restrict felons voting while incarcerated,
4 states restrict felons from voting while incarcerated or on parole,
20 states restrict voting while incarcerated or on parole or probation.
Only 11 states may restrict felons from voting permanently.

Of those who may permanently restrict voting rights many of the have a process (other than executive clemency) by which voting rights may be restored or only permanently restrict the voting rights of persons convicted of specific felonies.
 
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Yeah, thanks. I've run into your type before. Anything other than Republicans who like to make war and you think they're traitors.
i didn't call anyone a traitor...i do however think that certain foreign policy opinions are just plain uninformed or incompetent...

and for your information i don't think highly of making war...for example i didn't agree with invading iraq...though i don't believe the 'bush lied' slander either...and i believe that once the war was started there was a moral responsibility to bring it to a positive resolution...

you just seem to be a terrible judge of character...no wonder you like ron paul...
 
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i didn't call anyone a traitor...i do however think that certain foreign policy opinions are just plain uninformed or incompetent...

and for your information i don't think highly of making war...for example i didn't agree with invading iraq...though i don't believe the 'bush lied' slander either...and i believe that once the war was started there was a moral responsibility to bring it to a positive resolution...

you just seem to be a terrible judge of character...no wonder you like ron paul...
Of course I'm a terrible judge of character. I don't like the same people you do, therefore I must be, right?
 
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Obama least interventionist President in decades? Lol I don't know about that. Considerring under Obama we have bombed Libya, Iraq, still involved in Afghanistan, commandos in Uganda and CAR, were somewhat involved in the Ukraine coup, and got an openly secret drone campaign in Yemen might make Obama one of the most interventionist presidents next to George W. But alas Obama still has two more years to overtake W in the interventionist arena, and at this rate, he may very well do that.
obama withdrew from iraq...
he is in the process of withdrawing from afghanistan...
the most obama has done for ukraine is to send 'non lethal aid' like bandages and stuff...

there have been american special forces in africa for decades before obama became president...

in libya obama's intervention was so minimal that we had no way of maintaining control over the situation after ghaddafi was overthrown...and even the airstrikes were ordered only with reluctance by obama...

obama's obsession with drones is maybe the only issue where you could make a case that obama likes to intervene in anything...and even then the drone strikes only kill one or two bad guys at a time...that's hardly a major foreign undertaking...

now compared with the korean war...or the vietnam war...or backing the shah of iran...or backing the mujaheddin against the soviets in afghanistan...anyone who knows the history of american foreign policy can see that obama is one of the -least- interventionist and -most disengaged- presidents since world war ii...

we have seen how much of a disaster it is when the president of the united states spends his time making speeches instead of making decisions...i can't imagine why anyone would want even more of that...
 
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obama withdrew from iraq...
he is in the process of withdrawing from afghanistan...
the most obama has done for ukraine is to send 'non lethal aid' like bandages and stuff...

there have been american special forces in africa for decades before obama became president...

in libya obama's intervention was so minimal that we had no way of maintaining control over the situation after ghaddafi was overthrown...and even the airstrikes were ordered only with reluctance by obama...

obama's obsession with drones is maybe the only issue where you could make a case that obama likes to intervene in anything...and even then the drone strikes only kill one or two bad guys at a time...that's hardly a major foreign undertaking...

now compared with the korean war...or the vietnam war...or backing the shah of iran...or backing the mujaheddin against the soviets in afghanistan...anyone who knows the history of american foreign policy can see that obama is one of the -least- interventionist and -most disengaged- presidents since world war ii...

we have seen how much of a disaster it is when the president of the united states spends his time making speeches instead of making decisions...i can't imagine why anyone would want even more of that...
Aye Obama withdrew from Iraq and then went right back in lol.

And as for withdrawing from Afghanistan, that is a faux-withdrawl, we are leaving a contingent force behind.

As for Ukraine the US along with other West European powers promoted the anarchy in Kiev which led to the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych. Aye, Obama has sent aid to Ukraine as per our agreement with Ukraine and also to counter Putin's moves. I find that to be a good move by Obama, but it's still interventionism nonetheless.

Aye US special forces been in Africa for a while. Still though Obama has sent troops specificalle to Uganda and CAR under cover of the mission to hunt Joseph Kony. Also if brother Stilly's new article is correct, we are involved in Somalia (as we have been for a while.) Also I forgot to mention our not so secret aid and involvement with the French in the war in Mali.

The Drone Campaign in Yemen and Pakistan did indeed start with Bush, but Obama has continued it and ramped it up. I would not say it is "hardly a major foreign undertaking" as it is the most effective US tactic lately and the impact is very widespread.

Add into account the Libya mission as well and it can be accurately said Obama is one of the most interventionist Presidents of our US history. Mind you I find a lot of these missions to be well reasoned and justified, but it is interventionism nonetheless, sorry, there's no way around that fact. Considerring America is at this point in time the foremost Empire in existence we sort of have to be interventionist there's no realistic way around that fact either.
 
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Only two of the 50 states allow convicted felons to vote. Others temporarily or permanently ban them under felon disenfranchisement voter laws.
I was under the impression this was a federal statute rather than that of individual states. Thank you for clearing that up.

I still think these laws should be repealed and the enfranchisement of felons in all 50 states should be secured. There's no good reason to stop a felon from exercising their constitutional right to vote.

From the same site you found your information:
[h=2]Does the US Congress Have Authority to Legislate Felon Enfranchisement in Federal Elections?[/h]
It may take SCOTUS to insure this happens given it is a constitutional right that states are electing to infringe.

There is no Federal law (that I am aware of) that prohibits any felon from voting. Most poll regulations for elections are set by the individual state. I myself am a former felon who resides in the state of Colorado and this state only restricts felons from voting while they are in the system (incarcerated or parole). Once the person clears the system they can vote once again. If a convicted felon here is only sentenced to probation instead of Department of Corrections their right to vote continues unrestricted.

According to this site

State Felon Voting Laws - Felon Voting - ProCon.org

Two states have absolutely no restrictions on felons voting,
13 states and DC only restrict felons voting while incarcerated,
4 states restrict felons from voting while incarcerated or on parole,
20 states restrict voting while incarcerated or on parole or probation.
Only 11 states may restrict felons from voting permanently.

Of those who may permanently restrict voting rights many of the have a process (other than executive clemency) by which voting rights may be restored or only permanently restrict the voting rights of persons convicted of specific felonies.
 
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The will to do what you propose isn't there. People are content to sit in front of their TVs and be soothed by the pablum issuing forth from it. I think, if the American people today had the good sense of the Founding Fathers, there would have been another revolution by now. What has happened, though? Zilch.
Yep. And it's all designed to work that way.


 
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Please ignore the second link in that reply. I had no idea it was going to refer to certain objectionable things that I find repugnant near the end of the video. I found it at a website that speaks to mind control via TV. And by the time I was listening to it after posting it was too late to edit.
I should have listened to the whole thing, but the first video there was stellar and I never imagined the second one included at that aforementioned site would include such a thing in the second video.
I've contacted a Mod to see if it can be deleted. But till then I wanted to issue apology and hope that people refrain from clicking the second video link so that it can be deleted without offending anyone.

*Yes, I realize this could just inspire people to click to see what it is about. This is my apology in the meantime*
 
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Whacked out isolationist? Do you work for Fox News?
How's that interventionism working out for you lately?
How did isolationism work out for us?

Not so good. A weak USA is a huge problem for the world.

Ron Paul is a wacked out nutjob who needs a white jacket, not the white house
 

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Can anyone give me a good reason to vote for any of the potential candidates for president in 2016? I'll be honest with you, if this set of candidates is the best that we can find, we are in sad shape.