Bernieeeeee

[3Scoreand10]

Except that just because a political system is different, it doesn't make it evil. I still don't understand why everyone believes this. It is just a different view.

Plus we have religious freedom here, so nobody on here is supporting anything anti-Christian.

A political system/party that supports aboration and gay marriage is evil.
To say it is just different is blindness.
Those who teach contrary to the Word are evil and should never be definded.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

A political system/party that supports aboration and gay marriage is evil.
To say it is just different is blindness.
Those who teach contrary to the Word are evil and should never be definded.

All I really did was explain what socialism was, what communism was, and what democratic socialism was. Defining them is different than making them a reality. Plus, I think all parties are flawed in different ways which is why I don't align myself to one. That doesn't mean I think Republicans are evil, even though many don't support food stamps which can help hungry children for instance.

To say just one political system is right is incorrect and more focused on the political party than God and His word.

However, I will agree to disagree with everyone on here.

 

[kaylagrl]

I do defend the truth... They were not talking about his docrtine... They were just judging him for silly and pointless things unrelated to his beliefs. THAT is why I defended him, not because I think he's the greatest pastor in the world.

Socialism is against what the Bible teaches. You cannot defend what is against the Word. Whether political or otherwise.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

Socialism is against what the Bible teaches. You cannot defend what is against the Word. Whether political or otherwise.

I would defend you to believe how you do even if I don't believe the exact same thing. If someone told me "kaylagrl" hates poor people because she's a Republican, I'd say, "No she doesn't..." And I would explain why you had the beliefs you did.

 

[wisebeardman]

Socialism is against what the Bible teaches. You cannot defend what is against the Word. Whether political or otherwise.

no matter how people try and spin it, plain and simple you can not serve two masters.

 

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[TH="class: vcol"]Communism

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[TH="class: vcol"]Socialism

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[TH="class: acol"]Philosophy
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[TD="class: vcol"]From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. Free-access to the articles of consumption is made possible by advances in technology that allow for super-abundance.
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[TD="class: vcol"]From each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution. Emphasis on profit being distributed among the society or workforce to complement individual wages/salaries.
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[TH="class: acol"]Ideas
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[TD="class: vcol"]All people are the same and therefore classes make no sense. The government should own all means of production and land and also everything else. People should work for the government and the collective output should be redistributed equally.
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[TD="class: vcol"]All individuals should have access to basic articles of consumption and public goods to allow for self-actualization. Large-scale industries are collective efforts and thus the returns from these industries must benefit society as a whole.
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[TH="class: acol"]Key Proponents
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[TD="class: vcol"]Karl Marx, Fredrich Engels, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Robert Owen, Pierre Leroux, Karl Marx, Fredrick Engels, John Stuart Mill, Albert Einstein, George Bernard Shaw, Thorstein Veblen, Emma Goldman.
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[TH="class: acol"]Key Elements
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[TD="class: vcol"]Centralized government, planned economy, dictatorship of the "proletariat", common ownership of the tools of production, no private property. equality between genders and all people, international focus. Usually anti-democratic with a 1-party system.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Economic activity and production especially are adjusted by the State to meet human needs and economic demands. "Production for use": useful goods and services are produced specifically for their usefulness.
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[TH="class: acol"]Political System
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[TD="class: vcol"]A communist society is stateless, classless and is governed directly by the people. This however has never been practised.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Can coexist with different political systems. Most socialists advocate participatory democracy, some (Social Democrats) advocate parliamentary democracy, and Marxist-Leninists advocate "Democratic centralism."
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[TH="class: acol"]Political Movements
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[TD="class: vcol"]Leninism, Trotskyism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Left-Communism, Stalinism.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Democratic socialism, communism, libertarian socialism, social anarchism, and syndicalism.
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[TH="class: acol"]Private Property
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[TD="class: vcol"]Abolished. The concept of property is negated and replaced with the concept of commons and ownership with "usership".
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[TD="class: vcol"]Two kinds of property: Personal property, such as houses, clothing, etc. owned by the individual. Public property includes factories, and means of production owned by the State but with worker control.
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[TH="class: acol"]Economic Coordination
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[TD="class: vcol"]Economic planning coordinates all decisions regarding investment, production and resource allocation. Planning is done in terms of physical units instead of money.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Planned-socialism relies principally on planning to determine investment and production decisions. Planning may be centralized or decentralized. Market-socialism relies on markets for allocating capital to different socially-owned enterprises.
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[TH="class: acol"]Definition
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[TD="class: vcol"]International theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the community or state. Rejection of free markets and extreme distrust of Capitalism in any form.
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[TD="class: vcol"]A theory or system of social organization based on the holding of most property in common, with actual ownership ascribed to the workers.
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[TH="class: acol"]Religion
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[TD="class: vcol"]Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Freedom of religion, but usually promotes secularism.
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[TH="class: acol"]Ownership Structure
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[TD="class: vcol"]The means of production are commonly-owned, meaning no entity or individual owns productive property. Importance is ascribed to "usership" over "ownership".
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[TD="class: vcol"]The means of production are socially-owned with the surplus value produced accruing to either all of society (in Public-ownership models) or to all the employee-members of the enterprise (in Cooperative-ownership models).
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[TH="class: acol"]Social Structure
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[TD="class: vcol"]All class distinctions are eliminated.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Class distinctions are diminished. Status derived more from political distinctions than class distinctions. Some mobility.
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[TH="class: acol"]Economic System
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[TD="class: vcol"]The means of production are held in common, negating the concept of ownership in capital goods. Production is organized to provide for human needs directly without any use for money. Communism is predicated upon a condition of material abundance.
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[TD="class: vcol"]The means of production are owned by public enterprises or cooperatives, and individuals are compensated based on the principle of individual contribution. Production may variously be coordinated through either economic planning or markets.
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[TH="class: acol"]Free Choice
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[TD="class: vcol"]Either the collective "vote" or the state's rulers make economic and political decisions for everyone else. In practice, rallies, force, propaganda etc. are used by the rulers to control the populace.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Religion, jobs, & marriage are up to the individual. Compulsory education. Free, equal access to healthcare & education provided through a socialized system funded by taxation. Production decisions driven more by State decision than consumer demand.
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[TH="class: acol"]Discrimination
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[TD="class: vcol"]In theory, all members of the state are considered equal.
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[TD="class: vcol"]The people are considered equal; laws are made when necessary to protect people from discrimination. Immigration is often tightly controlled.
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[TH="class: acol"]Way of Change
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[TD="class: vcol"]Government in a Communist-state is the agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by government can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Workers in a socialist state are the nominal agent of change rather than any market or desire on the part of consumers. Change by the State on behalf of workers can be swift or slow, depending on change in ideology or even whim.
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[TH="class: acol"]Examples
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[TD="class: vcol"]Ideally, there is no leader; the people govern directly. This has never been actually practiced, and has just used a one-party system. Examples 0f Communist states are the erstwhile Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea.
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[TD="class: vcol"]Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR): although the actual categorization of the USSR's economic system is in dispute, it is often considered to be a form of centrally-planned socialism.
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[TH="class: acol"]Earliest Remnants
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[TD="class: vcol"]Theorized by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the mid-19th century as an alternative to capitalism and feudalism, communism was not tried out until after the revolution in Russia in the early 1910s.
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[TD="class: vcol"]In 1516, Thomas More write in "Utopia" about a society based around common ownership of property. In 1776, Adam Smith advocated the labor theory of value, ignoring the previous Cantillonian view that prices are derived from supply and demand.
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Source: Communism vs Socialism - Difference and Comparison | Diffen




I wouldn't say they don't matter though. They established a lot in their lives so that we can live in the wonderful country that we do.

Good work finding this chart. But I can tell you that when implemented by a flawed mankind, they are indistinguishible. The U.S.S.R., which I very clearly remember, was considered communist, yet even theie name SOCIALISTS, testify to the truth that they are the same.

There is nothing more unfair or UNEQUAL than socialism/communism. UNLIKE Capitalism (competition) socialism always races to the bottom of human ability. The simple to understand reason is why would somebody strive harder, work harder, invent more, etc.. if the guy next him doesn't do any of those things, and he doesn't get to realize the fruits of his work?

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

no matter how people try and spin it, plain and simple you can not serve two masters.

Aren't you serving two masters though? If you think the Republican party is the only way to heaven?

 

[wisebeardman]

Aren't you serving two masters though? If you think the Republican party is the only way to heaven?

im not a member of the republican party.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

im not a member of the republican party.

Me either. I'm not any party. So why is everyone calling me evil? Just because I defend people who are getting called things that aren't true!?

 

[wisebeardman]

Me either. I'm not any party. So why is everyone calling me evil? Just because I defend people who are getting called things that aren't true!?

you still don't get it.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

you still don't get it.

You're right. I hope I never do either, because I will always defend people who are being attacked with false accusations.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

Besides, being open minded to other ideas doesn't mean you want a socialist society or that you even find it moral personally.

 

[wisebeardman]

You're right. I hope I never do either, because I will always defend people who are being attacked with false accusations.

false? HA, you really are blind.

Man those liberals in California sure have indoctrinated you. claiming Christian, yet defending a guy who is pro murder (abortion) pro homosexual and more.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

false? HA, you really are blind.

Man those liberals in California sure have indoctrinated you. claiming Christian, yet defending a guy who is pro murder (abortion) pro homosexual and more.

I don't live in California anymore, I live in the Midwest LoL and of course I think murdering babies and homosexuality is a sin. They said he's a communist but he isn't so I explained what he was LoL

 

[wisebeardman]

I don't live in California anymore, I live in the Midwest LoL and of course I think murdering babies and homosexuality is a sin. They said he's a communist but he isn't so I explained what he was LoL

communist,socialist don't matter, it is still anti-christian. serving God gets in the way of serving the state. to socialist/communist they want only the state as God.

 

[wisebeardman]

A story from the Soviet Union

The Commisar came to the collective farms to see how the harvest was doing and asked a farmer and the farmer said "Oh commrade commisar! If we took all the potatoes, they would reach the foot of God."
"Comrade farmer, this is the Soviet Union. There is no God."
"Thats okay, there are no potatoes."

 

[kaylagrl]

Aren't you serving two masters though? If you think the Republican party is the only way to heaven?

Republican party has zero to do with going to heaven.As a Christian we try to decide who to put in office that is close to the Bible as can be. Republicans are getting further and further from that ideal. Dems use to have a middle of the road too. No more. I have a Senator friend who is a wonderful Christian and he is a Democrat. He's hoping to swing the party back again.

The Bible says if you dont work,you dont eat. If you cannot work,if you are too ill the Bible tells us how to help the poor.To leave extra grain for travelers. To give and it shall be given to you. But the Bible also says a laborer is worthy of his hire. No where in the Bible does it condone over taxing and burdening the people or the gov't taking from the rich to give to the poor.That is a personal decision,not gov't.

Republicans believe in helping the poor. Dems always try to stick it to them,that they dont care.But please do me a favor and go to your phone book. How many churches feed the poor? I traveled in all denominations of churches for 20yrs.I dont believe I was in one that didnt have food and clothes to help those in need. The Salvation Army, one of the biggest helps to the needy. I believe the first orphanage in America was started by George Whitefield, a well known pastor. So please dont give me any foolishness about conservatives not caring about the poor,that is a lie. Samaritans Purse is another one who helps the poor and needy and are first on the scene of disaster.

Socialism is against the teachings of the Bible. 100% You say you defend the truth of the Word,then stop defending socialism and Bernie.

 

[Nuns_n_roses]

So please dont give me any foolishness about conservatives not caring about the poor,that is a lie.

I was using a hypothetical example... Of course I don't personally think that.

"I would defend you to believe how you do even if I don't believe the exact same thing. If someone told me "kaylagrl" hates poor people because she's a Republican, I'd say, "No she doesn't..." And I would explain why you had the beliefs you did"

I was talking about the food stamps thing as an example of why I'm not a Republican, as many Republicans are very adament that all people abuse the systems to get government assistance. That doesn't mean I want people to abuse the system, and it certainly doesn't mean I don't think they don't help the poor in other ways like through church etc.

Far from it. If I didn't have the help of my family and church, I would've been in dire conditions when I lived in Idaho as I was skipping meals as it was for lack of funds.

To reiterate, I DO NOT think Republicans hate poor people!!!

 

[3Scoreand10]

It has become very evident that the next president will not be any more of a Christian than the present president is.
I know they claim to be, but I see no evidence of it being true by their life.
But then, I see very little evidence in the lives of most who claim to be Christian.

 

[kaylagrl]

I was using a hypothetical example... Of course I don't personally think that.

"I would defend you to believe how you do even if I don't believe the exact same thing. If someone told me "kaylagrl" hates poor people because she's a Republican, I'd say, "No she doesn't..." And I would explain why you had the beliefs you did"

I was talking about the food stamps thing as an example of why I'm not a Republican, as many Republicans are very adament that all people abuse the systems to get government assistance. That doesn't mean I want people to abuse the system, and it certainly doesn't mean I don't think they don't help the poor in other ways like through church etc.

Far from it. If I didn't have the help of my family and church, I would've been in dire conditions when I lived in Idaho as I was skipping meals as it was for lack of funds.

To reiterate, I DO NOT think Republicans hate poor people!!!

I have a girlfriend that is a real sweetheart and a Christian. I moved away from home years ago and lost touch with her. She found me on FB. She's a very private person so I let her tell what she wishes to tell. One day I posted a meme about abuse of gov't help. She wrote me and was very angry. She really let me have it. She had a bad divorce and a son to provide for,then her business went under I felt terrible for her,until she said this...Why am I not allowed to go get my nails done,have a cell phone,or get a tattoo?! Why cant I have cable TV so my son has something to watch? Why cant I have a beer when I want one just because Im on gov't support? Im tired of people judging me!" I was floored!! Glad that she couldnt see my face,I simply apologized and said Id pray for her. I know she was raised better than that.What example is that to her child? This is what conservatives are against. No one is against getting help to those that need it. But we cannot not sustain this many people on gov't support.Its going to fall. You can tax the rich 90% and still not pay for one entitlement for 3yrs. Socialism is not the answer.