Compassion and the Republican Party of the USA

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kenthomas27

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I think compassion can be defined in a couple of different ways. Is it compassionate to provide food and housing to people who are having challenges fending for themselves? Of course it is. Is it compassionate to build an economically sound environment that will allow those same people a job and opportunity to overcome their challenges? Of course it is. I happen to believe it is more compassionate to try to repair obvious difficulties and challenges than to temporarily fix them. It's compassionate to feed a homeless person, but it's equally compassionate to understand why they are homeless (a large percentage of homeless have mental and emotional challenges) and provide a pathway for their independence. Not a safety net - a pathway.

I really don't think the poor in USA want a phone. They want a job. They don't want to sit up under the King's table and beg for scraps. They want opportunity. I happen to believe most democrats are safety net providers and deeply compassionate. I think republicans are pathway providers and deeply compassionate.
 

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Jesus was the ultimate conservative.



God loves people, He cannot be a liberal. ( He is not conservative either...He is above that )

These two statements are a paradox. "My Father and I are one."

Personally, I like the second one. I hate it when people ascribe political affiliations to Jesus.
 
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These two statements are a paradox. "My Father and I are one."

Personally, I like the second one. I hate it when people ascribe political affiliations to Jesus.
I wasn't very clear was I? I read my post after I posted it and saw a problem..

I should have said Jesus was a conservative from a social point of view not political.
 

JimJimmers

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"one" isn't being used as a numerical value
I'll give you that, but still since they are "one" they would have the same political affiliations, or lack thereof. I see what Soninme meant now, I'm cool.

Although I still wouldn't personally say Jesus was socially conservative, if for no other reason because it's such a charged word. He is perfect, and the best human minds in the world are not. I'm not making an issue out of this, just stating my opinion.
 
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Drett

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"one" isn't being used as a numerical value
Do you mean one in purpose ? In John 17:20-22 Jesus also wanted the his apostles to be one in purpose as well.

My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one
 

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Okay, I hate to be "that guy" but please post where Jesus advocates for socialized medicine. Chapter and verse. Write a polemic if you have to.

I think we all can agree Jesus, being King of Kings and Lord of Lords would not have a political affiliation. What political affiliation he calls us to is another story.
He healed everyone who asked for it, and never charged anyone a penney for His services. Do you really need chapter and verse on THAT???
 
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He healed everyone who asked for it, and never charged anyone a penney for His services. Do you really need chapter and verse on THAT???
Yes, because what you described is a supernatural miracle made to both heal and demonstrate divinity, not a basis or command for socialized medicine.

I suppose now it is the government's job to turn water into wine? To raise people from the dead?

If anything your argument goes further to demonstrate why the government shouldn't implement such a policy. It would be yet another one of many jurisdictional violations and further incentivize those within the state to try and fix men's souls.
 

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I am not advocating for the rich, far from it. Jesus had some harsh words for the rich. I think the biggest problem I have with Ricky's statements is when he said that money hoarding people = Republicans. That is baloney.

I can add to my list, for Ricky's viewing pleasure: Michael Moore, Al Gore; John Edwards; Michael Bloomberg; Rupert Murdoch; and pretty much all of Hollywood, minus a few action stars.
Oh, you are absolutely right there. Please, understand, I am not a liberal, I believe that if you follow either Democratic or Republican you are wasting your vote and promoting the agenda. Democrats have for generations given this country away to the point where we just can't afford it. Republicans think the answer to that is to damn up the flow, by sticking as much cash as they can into as few pockets as they can. Jesus never stuck money in His pockets. Didn't He actually send His disciples out telling them not to take anything, but to live off the generosity of others? And to shake the dust from their feet at any they found ungenerous? Democrats are too generous, they give away the farm. Republicans are too selfish, they hog the produce. I don't support the Democrats, but it's the Republicans who earn the dusting here. I don't find hoarding to be in any of the Lord's teachings. I find sharing with your fellow man to be His way.



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Yes I am aware of that meaning to the term and I apologize profusely to any who were offended. It was a very poor choice of words and one I've regretted since realizing it, which was about an hour after the editing period expired!
 
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Democrats have for generations given this country away to the point where we just can't afford it. Republicans think the answer to that is to damn up the flow, by sticking as much cash as they can into as few pockets as they can. Jesus never stuck money in His pockets. Didn't He actually send His disciples out telling them not to take anything, but to live off the generosity of others? And to shake the dust from their feet at any they found ungenerous? Democrats are too generous, they give away the farm. Republicans are too selfish, they hog the produce. I don't support the Democrats, but it's the Republicans who earn the dusting here. I don't find hoarding to be in any of the Lord's teachings. I find sharing with your fellow man to be His way.
1. I find what you say about Jesus' direction to the disciples plausible (given the fact the disciples were missionaries), but at the same time I do not remember such a commandment and have tried to find scripture indicating it as such. Normally I'm not the sort to ask for Bible citations every time, but I honestly can't find it.

2. Neither Republicans nor Democrats are truly "generous" as their policies relate to use of state funds. Why? They do not propose to use their money to fix the problem, but the money of others. Sometimes use of tax dollars are necessary, but the government paying for a highway, for example, isn't generous. They are not sacrificing money from their own pockets.

3. Which Republicans earn the dusting? That's the rub. We're talking about a party of people who view the proper use of money differently. Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans as some Republicans believe in progressive taxation) believe the problem isn't the use of the money itself but rather who is taking and using it and to what purpose that money is being used.

I know a Republican Christian man who certainly doesn't deserve the dusting. I have hardly any money to my name and you know what he did? He paid for my school because he wanted to help people in the ministry of Christ.

He also wants to hold off buying Christmas presents for his family, so he can personally aid typhoon victims through missionaries. He loves helping Christians.

You know what he also does? He invests money in projects that eventually yield jobs for people.

Now he wants to invest in technology that could cure AIDS.

In short, he doesn't sit on his funds. He is abundantly generous. Tell me where he is in the wrong. The thing is, he, and others like him, can't do what they do if the money is taken from them for insolvent government pipedreams. Where is that Biblical?
 
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To add, Jesus did not preach against rich people. Jesus countered the commonly held beliefs held in that day that rich people were rich because they were blessed by God because of how good they were.

There is no socialism in christianity because our God is Christ Jesus, not the government.

Socialism as a political entity cannot exist without poverty and covetness. While Jesus said there will always be poor amungst us, He never said we should foster programs that create poverty to insure political power.

To vilify all rich people, or to classify ANY kind of people as one thing or another....its called bigotry, another social ill that MUST exist for liberal/socialist politicians to have power. To call all rich people evil, which is the only reason why liberals seek to tax them to death, is the same bigotry the left...supposedly...are against.

Funny how the exact things liberalism says it hates, they need to have political power.

If that is not satanic I do not know what is.
 
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I know liberals believe in liberalism because its compassionate.

Its not. Its the complete opposite.

Liberalism must have poverty, covetness and bigotry to exist as a political power. Thats not compassionate.

To clarify, no christian conservative wants the infirm, widows and orphans to go without. Conservatives care about people, they just do not care for the government programs that exist not to help people ( its demonstrable they cause more poverty than they cure ) but to keep the few liberal uber-rich elite in power.

Ya know like the most radically leftist president of american history, the true teflon president, President Obama.

Shoulda bought a better teflon Baraq. Your's has worn thin.
 
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danschance

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I do not vote. That's right, I am neither a Republican or a Democrat but if you must know, I have voted Republican (So please don't yell out I am a Democrat because of what I am going to say). I agree that Republican politicians lack compassion.
 

RickyZ

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1. I find what you say about Jesus' direction to the disciples plausible (given the fact the disciples were missionaries), but at the same time I do not remember such a commandment and have tried to find scripture indicating it as such. Normally I'm not the sort to ask for Bible citations every time, but I honestly can't find it.
Try Matthew 10:5-15
 

RickyZ

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3. Which Republicans earn the dusting? That's the rub. We're talking about a party of people who view the proper use of money differently. Conservatives (not necessarily Republicans as some Republicans believe in progressive taxation) believe the problem isn't the use of the money itself but rather who is taking and using it and to what purpose that money is being used.

I know a Republican Christian man who certainly doesn't deserve the dusting. I have hardly any money to my name and you know what he did? He paid for my school because he wanted to help people in the ministry of Christ.

He also wants to hold off buying Christmas presents for his family, so he can personally aid typhoon victims through missionaries. He loves helping Christians.

You know what he also does? He invests money in projects that eventually yield jobs for people.

Now he wants to invest in technology that could cure AIDS.

In short, he doesn't sit on his funds. He is abundantly generous. Tell me where he is in the wrong. The thing is, he, and others like him, can't do what they do if the money is taken from them for insolvent government pipedreams. Where is that Biblical?
You're right, and that's why generalizations are not the best source for identification. But by and large, the large rich fat cat individuals are Republican. Not exclusively, but as a generalization.

And yes, Democrats want to take your money to give to their poor and environmental buddies, Repubs want to take your money to give to their corporate buddies. Not personally generous on either side.
 
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JimJimmers

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One thing I have noticed are people like the Kennedys. Big-time "liberal" people, in the political sense, but extremely "conservative" socially. They love their millions, their real estate, and don't seem interested in giving it up.


(Please no arguments over my use of the words in quotation marks. I am not saying conservatives are stingy or that liberals are generous, I just used those words for simplicity's sake)
 

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To add, Jesus did not preach against rich people. Jesus countered the commonly held beliefs held in that day that rich people were rich because they were blessed by God because of how good they were.
Luke 12:15 -21 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.” And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.” “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’ “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”

Matthw 6:19 - 24 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are unhealthy,your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness! “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Jesus said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God” That's Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, and Luke 18:25

There is no socialism in christianity because our God is Christ Jesus, not the government.
True, true, thank and praise God. I'm ready for a world without politics. Come rule Christ Jesus, now if You don't mind. We're ready.

But what do you think that rule under Him will look like? When I study it I get pictures of nobody hungry, everyone healthy, no one in poverty - am I wrong in that? You're right, liberalism as a political strategy is as vapid as Republicanism. But as a way of life, liberalism more embodies how Christ lived. Kinda makes me laugh. Liberals godlessly embody the principles, while conservatives talk god but turn their backs on them. That's why I won't vote for either. Leadership on both side has gotten far too polarized.

And again, mea culpa to those good generous liberals and conservatives who break the mold and do give as Christ taught us to. I don't mean to paint you all with the same brush, you're just unfortunately in a very small minority these days.

If that is not satanic I do not know what is.
And be careful when you deem things satanic. I want people to have discernment, but being wrong is oh so dangerous.