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Clowns like Al Charlatain merely divert the very people affected from discovering and fixing their problem (even though it's as clear as a white elephant in a crowded room). Here's the real problem: Breakdown of the Black Family, and Its Consequences - Discover the Networks

The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community

http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf

The Moynihan Report and Ongoing Family Breakdown | National Review Online#

William Raspberry - Why Our Black Families Are Failing

FrontPage Magazine - The Black Family: 40 Years of Lies

In their landmark book America in Black and White, Stephan and Abigail Thernstrom make this profoundly important observation:
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“In the past three decades the proportion of intact married-couple families has declined precipitously even though the fraction of black women aged fifteen to forty-four who were divorced, separated, or widowed also went down.… It is thus not divorce but the failure to marry that has led to such a momentous change in black family patterns. The marriage rate for African Americans has plummeted in the past third of a century. In 1960 … lack women were only a shade less likely to marry than white women.... Today a clear majority of African American women aged fifteen to forty-five have never been married, as compared with just a third of their white counterparts…. Many fewer black women are marrying, and yet they continue to have children—which was not the case in an earlier era.”


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Secular atheist liberal feminists liberated them from their moral nuclear Christian families and now their children run wild in the streets.


Over 50% of native Americans are in single parent families, yet they commit far less crime than black people relative to their population. The breakdown of traditional family has really not a lot to do with a willingness to commit crime. Being immersed in a conflict environment where poverty means an increasing sense of competitiveness has a lot more to do with it.

I grew up in a conflict environment. I know first hand what it feels like to spend all your time in an economically closed off community where your only measure for success, ingrained within you, is the pecking order that nature decides upon. That's something much more complex than statistics can portray and the answer for it, in my experience, is the changing of the perspectives of the young towards nonviolence and widespread social integration.

Allow people to see, even a glimpse, on the other side of the fence and they can realize 'hold on, there's better ways to live'.
 
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They commit far more crime than they did when they were in moral nuclear families. You conveniently omitted that fact along with many other pertinent facts to make a patently false assertion.

The strong correlation between the breakdown of the moral nuclear family and the rise in criminal behavior has been clearly proven by social scientists. As Patrick F. Fagan, Ph.D. and senior fellow at the Family Research Council states:

"Policymakers also need to appreciate another strong and disturbing pattern evident in scholarly studies: the link between illegitimacy and violent crime and between the lack of parental attachment and violent crime."

Read: The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community

The social science literature is full of scholarly studies that clearly show this. Here's a few examples:

"The family is the fundamental building block of human society. Consequently, the foundation of our Nation is only as strong as America's families."

"Research confirms that children raised in two-parent homes are less likely to become deviant. Children rejected by parents are among the most likely to become delinquent."

"Single-parent families, and in particular, mother-only families produce more delinquent children than two-parent families."

"Research into the idea that single-parent homes may produce more delinquents dates back to the early 19th century when officials at New York State's Auburn Penitentiary, in an attempt to discern the causes of crime, studied the biographies of incarcerated men. Reports to the legislature in 1829 and 1830 suggested that family disintegration resulting from the death, desertion, or divorce of parents led to undisciplined children who eventually became criminals (Rothman,
1990:65).

Now, well over a century later, researchers continue to examine the family background of unique populations and reach similar conclusions."

"Goetting (1989) found that only 30 percent of children arrested for homicide in Detroit between 1977 and 1984 lived with both parents. In a study of 240 women committed to the California Youth Authority in the 1960's, Rosenbaum (1989)
observed that only 7 percent came from intact families."

Etc... etc... etc...

Your assertion to the contrary is false.


Over 50% of native Americans are in single parent families, yet they commit far less crime than black people relative to their population. The breakdown of traditional family has really not a lot to do with a willingness to commit crime. Being immersed in a conflict environment where poverty means an increasing sense of competitiveness has a lot more to do with it.

I grew up in a conflict environment. I know first hand what it feels like to spend all your time in an economically closed off community where your only measure for success, ingrained within you, is the pecking order that nature decides upon. That's something much more complex than statistics can portray and the answer for it, in my experience, is the changing of the perspectives of the young towards nonviolence and widespread social integration.

Allow people to see, even a glimpse, on the other side of the fence and they can realize 'hold on, there's better ways to live'.
 
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They commit far more crime than they did when they were in moral nuclear families. You conveniently omitted that fact along with many other pertinent facts to make a patently false assertion.

The strong correlation between the breakdown of the moral nuclear family and the rise in criminal behavior has been clearly proven by social scientists. As Patrick F. Fagan, Ph.D. and senior fellow at the Family Research Council states:

"Policymakers also need to appreciate another strong and disturbing pattern evident in scholarly studies: the link between illegitimacy and violent crime and between the lack of parental attachment and violent crime."

Read: The Real Root Causes of Violent Crime: The Breakdown of Marriage, Family, and Community

The social science literature is full of scholarly studies that clearly show this. Here's a few examples:

"The family is the fundamental building block of human society. Consequently, the foundation of our Nation is only as strong as America's families."

"Research confirms that children raised in two-parent homes are less likely to become deviant. Children rejected by parents are among the most likely to become delinquent."

"Single-parent families, and in particular, mother-only families produce more delinquent children than two-parent families."

"Research into the idea that single-parent homes may produce more delinquents dates back to the early 19th century when officials at New York State's Auburn Penitentiary, in an attempt to discern the causes of crime, studied the biographies of incarcerated men. Reports to the legislature in 1829 and 1830 suggested that family disintegration resulting from the death, desertion, or divorce of parents led to undisciplined children who eventually became criminals (Rothman,
1990:65).

Now, well over a century later, researchers continue to examine the family background of unique populations and reach similar conclusions."

"Goetting (1989) found that only 30 percent of children arrested for homicide in Detroit between 1977 and 1984 lived with both parents. In a study of 240 women committed to the California Youth Authority in the 1960's, Rosenbaum (1989)
observed that only 7 percent came from intact families."

Etc... etc... etc...

Your assertion to the contrary is false.
Ever see Good Will Hunting? There's a great little quote where Robin Williams says to the arrogant, but intelligent, young lad ''You're an orphan. You think I can tell you what that's like because I've read Oliver Twist?''
 
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Obviously, quality matters and the studies certainly include that attribute. I'm not suggesting that it doesn't.


Ever see Good Will Hunting? There's a great little quote where Robin Williams says to the arrogant, but intelligent, young lad ''You're an orphan. You think I can tell you what that's like because I've read Oliver Twist?''
 
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Interesting new study that reveals police officers are more hesitant to shoot a black person than a white or Hispanic one: http://spokane.wsu.edu/admissions/C...erimentalCriminology_JamesKlingerVila2014.pdf

This study "found that participants in realistic simulations felt more threatened by black suspects yet took longer to pull the trigger on black men than on white or Hispanic men."
Yes and no.
The sample size was from the general population, and it was only 48 people.
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Due to this, even this study admits the direct relevant findings are reduced when applied to police.
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So it doesn't necessarily reveal
Interesting new study that reveals police officers are more hesitant to shoot a black person than a white or Hispanic one:
For it to reveal anything about actual police, the study indicates it needs to be replicated with police.
Which it is currently doing.
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The St Louis county prosecutor has said at least three times there is a video of the final 10 shots...so CNN is full of crap as I just watched it and am watching it on Fox
CNN is not the most reliable source of news.
 
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Read: Police officers more hesitant to shoot black suspects, study finds - Washington Times

An innovative study published in the Journal of Experimental Criminology found that participants in realistic simulations felt more threatened by black suspects yet took longer to pull the trigger on black men than on white or Hispanic men.

“This behavioral ‘counter-bias’ might be rooted in people’s concerns about the social and legal consequences of shooting a member of a historically oppressed racial or ethnic group,” said the paper, which went practically unnoticed when it was published online on May 22, but took on new significance in the wake of a series of high-profile police-involved shootings involving black victims over the summer

The results back up what one of the researchers, University of Missouri-St. Louis professor David Klinger, has found after independently interviewing more than 300 police officers: While they don’t want to shoot anybody, they really don’t want to shoot black suspects.

“Across these 300 interviews, I have multiple officers telling me that they didn’t shoot only because the suspect was black or the suspect was a woman, or something that would not be consistent with this narrative of cops out there running and gunning,” said Mr. Klinger, a former cop and author of “Into the Kill Zone: A Cop’s Eye View of Deadly Force” (2006).

“When it comes to the issue of race, I’ve never had a single officer tell me, ‘I didn’t shoot a guy because he was white.’ I’ve had multiple officers tell me, ‘I didn’t shoot a guy because he was black,’ ” Mr. Klinger said. “And this is 10, even 20 years ago. Officers are alert to the fact that if they shoot a black individual, the odds of social outcry are far greater than if they shoot a white individual.”

In fact, he said, officers involved in shootings have told him that they were actually relieved that the person they shot was white, not black.

“The second things is, I’ve had multiple officers tell me they were worried in the wake of a shooting because they shot a black person, and I’ve had multiple officers tell me that they were glad that the person they shot was white,” Mr. Klinger said. “Because then they knew they weren’t going to have to be subject to the racial harangue.”

The interviews, which he conducted for a book he’s planning to finish this year, run directly counter to the prevailing view pushed by social justice groups, politicians and others: that shooting victims such as 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson were victims at least in part of racial discrimination against blacks among cops.

“Police officers — at least the ones I interviewed — are very sensitive to the race issue, but not in the way this popular narrative is running, i.e., cops are out there trying to find young black men who don’t have guns so they can shoot them down like dogs in the street,” Mr. Klinger said. “That just isn’t anything I’ve found in any of the research that I’ve done.”

The study, “Racial and ethnic bias in decisions to shoot seen through a stronger lens: experimental results from high-fidelity laboratory simulations,” was conducted by Mr. Klinger and Washington State University assistant research professor Lois James and criminal justice and criminology professor Bryan Vila.

Eighty-five percent of the participants were white, and none was a police officer. At the same time, a 2013 study led by Ms. James using active police, military and the general public found the same phenomenon: All three groups took longer to shoot black suspects, and participants were also more likely to fire on unarmed whites and Hispanics than blacks.
“In other words, there was significant bias favoring blacks where decisions to shoot were concerned,” the 2013 study said, according to WSU News.

The findings challenge not only popular assumptions but also previous social science research suggesting that whites, including police officers, have an “implicit bias” against blacks. The drawback with such implicit-bias studies is that they use the push-button model and less realistic scenarios, said Mr. Klinger.

“That’s important research. It’s good research,” Mr. Klinger said. “The problem is it bears absolutely no relationship with actual shooting events. And people are not reading all the caveats that the authors put into the article saying, ‘This is not real life, this is a laboratory, we don’t know about external validity,’ and so on.”

So why are blacks shot more often by police? While the FBI’s national database has been widely criticized as incomplete, data compiled by Mr. Klinger in St. Louis over the past decade shows that 90 percent of police shootings involve blacks, even though they only make up 49 percent of the city’s population.

At the same time, he said, that figure is commensurate with the percentage of blacks involved in violent crime. Roughly 90 percent of those killed each year in St. Louis are black, and 90 percent of them are shot by other blacks, he said.
What’s more, he said, black SWAT officers make up about one-third of the St. Louis force — and they commit on average about one-third of the shootings each year.

“And this is consistent with every other study that’s ever been done,” said Mr. Klinger, who, as a rookie officer in Los Angeles, fatally shot a black man armed with a knife who had stabbed his partner, Dennis Azevedo, in the chest.

“Once you start looking at levels of violence, levels of threat, blacks are not shot in manners that are disproportionate to their involvement in illegal activity,” he said. “And it doesn’t matter if the cop is black, white or Hispanic, police officers presented with deadly threats use deadly force. Period, paragraph, end of story.”
 
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CNN is not the most reliable source of news.

I already answered Dconn on that issue, as it was not CNN, Fox, or any other media source that said that.
It came directly from Robert McCulloch mouth during his press release after the decision was made.
McCulloch was the one during the press conference that said there was no video evidence of the final shots, but before it went to the grand jury there was two video's of the final shots that was constantly talked about. And this was done on multiple media sources, not just CNN.
 
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Interesting new study that reveals police officers are more hesitant to shoot a black person than a white or Hispanic one: http://spokane.wsu.edu/admissions/C...erimentalCriminology_JamesKlingerVila2014.pdf
Read: Police officers more hesitant to shoot black suspects, study finds - Washington Times

The findings challenge not only popular assumptions but also previous social science research suggesting that whites, including police officers, have an “implicit bias” against blacks. The drawback with such implicit-bias studies is that they use the push-button model and less realistic scenarios, said Mr. Klinger.

“That’s important research. It’s good research,” Mr. Klinger said. “The problem is it bears absolutely no relationship with actual shooting events. And people are not reading all the caveats that the authors put into the article saying, ‘This is not real life, this is a laboratory, we don’t know about external validity,’ and so on.”
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Interesting new study that reveals police officers are more hesitant to shoot a black person than a white or Hispanic one: http://spokane.wsu.edu/admissions/C...erimentalCriminology_JamesKlingerVila2014.pdf

This study "found that participants in realistic simulations felt more threatened by black suspects yet took longer to pull the trigger on black men than on white or Hispanic men."
Yes and no.
The sample size was from the general population, and it was only 48 people.
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Due to this, even this study admits the direct relevant findings are reduced when applied to police.
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As David Klinger, PhD said:

"Once you start looking at levels of violence, levels of threat, blacks are not shot in manners that are disproportionate to their involvement in illegal activity. And it doesn’t matter if the cop is black, white or Hispanic, police officers presented with deadly threats use deadly force. Period, paragraph, end of story.”


To summarize, the protestors, demonstrators, rioters and thugs have gotten inside officers' heads nationwide and their reluctance to pull the trigger in a life-or-death situation will result in death for the officer. Thanks, Al Sharpton.
 
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I already answered Dconn on that issue, as it was not CNN, Fox, or any other media source that said that.
It came directly from Robert McCulloch mouth ...
That there was no video of the last ten shots? No, Robert McCUllough did not say that during the presser or any other time. The only place anyone heard it was on CNN.
 

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Well, at least this activist was intellectually honest.
 
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That there was no video of the last ten shots? No, Robert McCUllough did not say that during the presser or any other time. The only place anyone heard it was on CNN.

Yes he did, I watched the press conference when Robert McCullough was speaking.

A reporter asked him about the video evidence of the shots, and he answered there was no video evidence, only audio.
I am not making this up, nor did I see a CNN reporter say this. I saw McCullough say it himself.
 
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No surprise here. George Soros is behind the scenes spending tens of millions of dollars to foment civil unrest. Imagine if he put his resources into turning African American attention toward fixing their broken families, their broken "hip hop" gang banging drug slinging culture, and joining with the anti-immigration activists to turn over the low hanging fruit in the domestic labor market to them.

The best he can come up with though is to ignore broken black families, a dismally immoral criminal culture, and black unemployment to foment civil unrest.

George Soros funds Ferguson protests, hopes to spur civil action - Washington Times

George Soros - Discover the Networks
 
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[video=youtube_share;aiMfKkD6q7Y]http://youtu.be/aiMfKkD6q7Y[/video]
 
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Office Wilson completely exonerated by 86 page DOJ report. Read:http://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...4/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown.pdf

The report fully supports Officer Wilson's account and repudiates Michael Brown's defense team witnesses as liars. "Hands up don't shoot" was a complete fabrication and the DOJ report caused even Eric Holder to announce Officer Wilson was innocent. I hope the lying defense witnesses are prosecuted for perjury.

Have a nice day Officer Wilson and thank you for serving and protecting us from these lying gang-related violent feral criminals.