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Who said the majority? All that is wanted is for those rogue cops be held accountable for their wrong doings. What is wrong with that? It's like if you speak out about the wrongs of some, you will be accused of disliking ALL police officers.
We have 50 states. Are there 50 bad shootings a year in America? I doubt it. But there ARE probably 1,000 crys because a Black man lies dead at the feet of a cop.......... after he was chased down running from a robbery.
 
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Maybe where he lives, ALL black communities are not like that. The generalizations need to stop.
No, I imagine it is fairly peaceful in Mountain City, Tenn. But, I know for a fact that 80 or 90% of our police cars in the retirement city of St. Petersburg can be found in the Black side of town.

That fact comes from our Black Chief of Police.
 

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We have 50 states. Are there 50 bad shootings a year in America? I doubt it. But there ARE probably 1,000 crys because a Black man lies dead at the feet of a cop.......... after he was chased down running from a robbery.
You have a very poor view of Black people and that is sad. We are not all bad people. I have come across not so nice white people but I don't view the whole race that way. Sadly no matter what I say to you Willie, I believe the way you look down your nose at us will never change.


It hasn't in the time that I have been here and I don't think you are interested in trying to understand. The only kind thing that I have ever heard you say about a black person was the woman who cared for you as a child. Everyone else is envious of others and is on welfare in your eyes. If I have misjudged you than forgive me.

I do hope someone who is reading the few posts of mine in this thread will understand where I am coming from. Have great night Willie.
 
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We have a "crime section" in our newspaper. Most cities do. All you have to do is open the paper each morning, and look at the addresses of the crimes committed the night before to determine just where the majority of crimes are committed in your own city. Give it a try sometime.
 

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What you mean is those who disagree with you should accept no respect from anyone over anything, no matter what, except what you think should be respected at any given moment.

Meh... may not be what you mean, but since you think only you can interpret what I -- no, what everyone else -- means and turn it into something cryptic, I thought I'd take the same liberty into making your cryptic into plain English without the fourth grade history lesson included.
I wouldn't expect anything less from you Depleted.
 

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We have a "crime section" in our newspaper. Most cities do. All you have to do is open the paper each morning, and look at the addresses of the crimes committed the night before to determine just where the majority of crimes are committed in your own city. Give it a try sometime.
I do and the majority of crimes are not committed in the BLACK neighborhoods as you would like to believe. I mean I do live here, I think I should know. My last comment in this thread.
 
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I do and the majority of crimes are not committed in the BLACK neighborhoods as you would like to believe. I mean I do live here, I think I should know. My last comment in this thread.
You didn't state where you are living. I guess that is so we can't check what you just said?
 

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[video]http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/24/judge-jeanine-rips-nfl-roger-goodell-national-anthem-kneelers-after-trump-speech[/video]
((((HUGS))))) JUDGE JEANINE!!!! (((((HUGS))))))
 
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You have a very poor view of Black people and that is sad. We are not all bad people. I have come across not so nice white people but I don't view the whole race that way. Sadly no matter what I say to you Willie, I believe the way you look down your nose at us will never change.


It hasn't in the time that I have been here and I don't think you are interested in trying to understand. The only kind thing that I have ever heard you say about a black person was the woman who cared for you as a child. Everyone else is envious of others and is on welfare in your eyes. If I have misjudged you than forgive me.

I do hope someone who is reading the few posts of mine in this thread will understand where I am coming from. Have great night Willie.
HoneyDew,
You said it is sad that I have a very poor view of Black people. And you are right... it is very sad. I didn't feel this way when I was younger. In fact, in h\High School my Step-Father taunted with accusations of being a "Black Person Lover" (of course he used a different term)

But, that began to change as I moved out into the world and saw what was happening. Especially when I was in the Military. Interestingly enough, NOT so much in combat situations as back here in the USA under "peaceful conditions." And I wondered why.

It has taken many years for me to understand the terrible injustice and destructive effect the Welfare State has had upon not only the Black Population, but lower income people in America, as a whole. Being in a supervisory position with a large company really showed me a lot of it, first hand.

I had a tiny handful of mostly older Blacks that I wouldn't have traded for a hundred younger White people. They were excellent! But, I also learned that that that same ratio was closer to 1,000 when it came to hiring young Black people. I freely hired some, and it soon became obvious that was one of the biggest mistakes of my career.

Affirmative Action and the job horrors (and loss of productivity) it cost the company I worked for was an almost unbelievable nightmare. And I was not allowed to let-go a single one of these useless drains upon Society. I quickly learned that I did not even consider a Black person for employment.

Yes, occasionally one would be forced upon me by management to comply with our required Socialistic hiring quotas. At first, I tried to give them decent work and responsibility. But, to a man, they proved me to be a compassionate fool for trusting that any of them truly wanted a real job. Before long, I will admit it, I just gave any Black person forced on me by upper management, a wheel barrow, and had them simply get out of my sight and spend their days doing the most menial tasks of trash collection and dirt raking.

Then I became involved wit law enforcement in a rather minor way. But, it was enough to soon see that the majority of arrests were of Black people.... AND that they were often the ones most resistant to any sort of rehabilitative measures..... even if the State mandated programs were exclusively run by Blacks.

So, am I prejudiced? Horribly so.! And that bias is fortified, sometimes against my will, by at least 70 to 80% of blacks I interact with. Is it going to change? I doubt it. Even the Blacks who call the police and complain about the conditions in their neighborhoods (some of you DO see it) staunchly refuse to do anything to help themselves. They will cry about drug dealers, but they will not even glance in the direction of the offenders. They, themselves tie the hands of the very police they call to come help them.

This seldom happens in White neighborhoods. For the most part, we will not stand for anyone dealing drugs if we know who they are. A far cry from actually "protecting" the criminal element right in your own back yard.

As I have said about Kap and crew... and as you saw in that video of Judge Jennine, things will not change until the good Blacks (and I know there are many) stand up and give some teeth to their lip-service of wanting better conditions in their neighborhoods.

I'm sorry if that hurts you, but it honestly is how most Whites (the ones who haven't surrendered to thinking it is our fault) see the plain facts right there in front of all of us. "Black Pride" is a phony excuse that has become a sickness that is killing you people. The very Black people who have cried to the government for help because of the deplorable conditions they live in, actually attacked PRESIDENT Trump when he said he wanted to change those conditions... claiming "insult" that he dared to say everything about their lives wasn't sweet and peachy.

How the Hell do you help when you are faced wit THAT?
 
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The National Anthem is a symbol that represents our God given right to ask what it means to be American and which of our American values we value most. It is not sacrosanct.

The actual anthem was written when we were under attack by the British who wa
nted, once again to bring us under their control, who disrespected our freedoms and abilities to act as free and independent individuals as well as a free and independent nation.

There is a reason the First Amendment comes first. It was our Founding Father's most important value.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Kneeling is simply an act that petitions for a "redress of grievances". It is, therefore one of the most cherished rights and as such it should be respected.


What is true of Congress should also be true of NFL owners, corporations, or any local, state, or Federal institution, including the Executive Branch.

Athletes shouldn't protest because they make Millions? I don't even know how anyone can say that.
#1. Those athletes aren't saying that they are being oppressed FINANCIALLY. So why does their income make a difference. Oh wait, it's because that helps to deflect from the ACTUAL reason, which is....
#2. Those athletes are protesting not just for themselves, but for black and brown people whose voices could NOT be heard. You don't/won't hear MY voice. But you WILL hear theirs.
#3. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY FOUGHT AND DIED SO WE CAN STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. NOBODY.

That's not freedom. That's compulsory obedience. Like North Korea. What our soldiers fought for, was the freedom to be able to express ourselves. Even if that expression is through protest. THAT'S what our FIRST AMENDMENT guarantees us. You don't have to AGREE with why we protest. (but if you can't agree that there shouldn't be police brutality against minorities, or racial oppression, you're legitimately and delibrately blind), but we do indeed have that freedom.


Those athletes are asking our country to do better. And they're doing it peacefully. And you still have more of a problem with the fact they're protesting without violence, than the reasons why they are protesting. What does that say about YOU?



You can't demand that people protest non-violently and peacefully (especially if you were silent or made excuses when white supremacists carried torches, attacked people and ran cars into crowds of people barely a month ago, in fact some called that freedom of speech), and when they DO protest non violently and peacefully, you say "Wait not like that. I'm still uncomfortable".


What you REALLY mean, is that you don't want us to protest at all. As long as it isn't happening to them folks don't care.

being in the entertainment industry is not a constitutional right but of a privilege, (the people) (the fans) pay big money to be entertained, they don't pay so million dollar players can voice their views unless the platform is for that one reason to hear the entertainers opinion.

the football entertainment platform isn't to express politics, they are getting payed to entertain by playing football for the people who are interested in being entertained by football, once the player who is getting payed to entertain leaves a stadium they can voice all they want it's a free country. as a matter of fact they can quite their high paying entertainment gig and go and stand up for what they believe, yea that would not happened they love their big houses and fancy cars,

ALL entertainment is built upon the obsession and sometimes addictions of people that what to be entertained.

i think it's time to let these entertainers know who really is allowing them to make huge contracts and big money, it's the fans not a president or whatever but the fans without fans there would be no big pay days and huge contracts. And because our country is built upon freedom, that alone allows the entertainment industry to thrive on exploiting people that need to be entertain.

entertainment industries feeds off of people who are obsessed with it, A entertainment only thrives if people are willing to pay to see it or purchase its products.
 

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A buddy of mine who served in Afghanistan had this to say about it.
"We fought for everyone's freedoms and if you think people should be forced to stand for the anthem when you don't understand what Freedom means."
America was founded on protest and Americans have a civic duty to protest corruption and blatant misuse of authority. When a police officer can unlawfully arrest a nurse while she's on duty and face no consequences then something is clearly wrong with America
I mean, legally theyre free to sit out the anthem. But a company is also free to fire anyone that they think brings a bad reputation to their business.

No ones rights would be infringed if anyone were fired for sitting out the anthem.
 

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Overpaid athletes complaining about unfair treatment in this country. While they are getting millions for throwing/catching a ball. Yep so much racism ......
 

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The National Anthem is a symbol that represents our God given right to ask what it means to be American and which of our American values we value most. It is not sacrosanct.

The actual anthem was written when we were under attack by the British who wa
nted, once again to bring us under their control, who disrespected our freedoms and abilities to act as free and independent individuals as well as a free and independent nation.

There is a reason the First Amendment comes first. It was our Founding Father's most important value.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Kneeling is simply an act that petitions for a "redress of grievances". It is, therefore one of the most cherished rights and as such it should be respected.


What is true of Congress should also be true of NFL owners, corporations, or any local, state, or Federal institution, including the Executive Branch.

Athletes shouldn't protest because they make Millions? I don't even know how anyone can say that.
#1. Those athletes aren't saying that they are being oppressed FINANCIALLY. So why does their income make a difference. Oh wait, it's because that helps to deflect from the ACTUAL reason, which is....
#2. Those athletes are protesting not just for themselves, but for black and brown people whose voices could NOT be heard. You don't/won't hear MY voice. But you WILL hear theirs.
#3. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY FOUGHT AND DIED SO WE CAN STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. NOBODY.

That's not freedom. That's compulsory obedience. Like North Korea. What our soldiers fought for, was the freedom to be able to express ourselves. Even if that expression is through protest. THAT'S what our FIRST AMENDMENT guarantees us. You don't have to AGREE with why we protest. (but if you can't agree that there shouldn't be police brutality against minorities, or racial oppression, you're legitimately and delibrately blind), but we do indeed have that freedom.


Those athletes are asking our country to do better. And they're doing it peacefully. And you still have more of a problem with the fact they're protesting without violence, than the reasons why they are protesting. What does that say about YOU?



You can't demand that people protest non-violently and peacefully (especially if you were silent or made excuses when white supremacists carried torches, attacked people and ran cars into crowds of people barely a month ago, in fact some called that freedom of speech), and when they DO protest non violently and peacefully, you say "Wait not like that. I'm still uncomfortable".


What you REALLY mean, is that you don't want us to protest at all. As long as it isn't happening to them folks don't care.

First off protest what? The privilege of being born in the greatest country on earth, that the rest of the world is beating the doors to get in?

Secondly, sports have always been a respite from the garbage we have to hear about in the country and world every day. Keep your politics out of it.

Third, if you DO want to protest, do it on your OWN time NOT mine. You have a right to speak. You do NOT have a right to force me to hear you!

Fourth, the NFL has disallowed all sorts of speech DURING WORK TIME. Things like messages on headbands or various celebratory acts. MY employer would NEVER allow me or anybody else to express their POLITICAL views via protest, DURING WORK HOURS!

Now to the larger point. Are there still whites that are racists? You bet there are. But guess what,there are far greater percentage of blacks that are racists. That's not my opinion, that's what a poll conducted several years ago said. And guess who said it? Blacks!

More Americans View Blacks As Racist Than Whites, Hispanics


Thirty-seven percent (37%) of American Adults think most black Americans are racist, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Just 15% consider most white Americans racist, while 18% say the same of most Hispanic Americans. (To see survey question wording, click here.)Americans consider blacks more likely to be racist than whites and Hispanics in this country.
There is a huge ideological difference on this topic. Among conservative Americans, 49% consider most blacks racist, and only 12% see most whites that way. Among liberal voters, 27% see most white Americans as racist, and 21% say the same about black Americans!
From a partisan perspective, 49% of Republicans see most black Americans as racist, along with 36% of unaffiliated adults and 29% of Democrats.
Among black Americans, 31% think most blacks are racist, while 24% consider most whites racist and 15% view most Hispanics that way.
Among white adults, 10% think most white Americans are racist; 38% believe most blacks are racist, and 17% say most Hispanics are racist.
Overall, just 30% of all Americans now rate race relations in the United States as good or excellent. Fourteen percent (14%) describe them as poor. Twenty-nine percent (29%) think race relations are getting better, while 32% believe they are getting worse. Thirty-five percent (35%) feel they are staying about the same.
These figures reflect more pessimism than was found in April when 42% gave race relations positive marks and 39% said race relations were improving. However, the April number reflected all-time highs while the current numbers are more consistent with the general attitudes of recent years.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? If it's in the news, it's in our polls). Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter or Facebook.
The survey of 1,000 Adults was conducted on July 1-2, 2013 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.
 
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The National Anthem is a symbol that represents our God given right to ask what it means to be American and which of our American values we value most. It is not sacrosanct.

The actual anthem was written when we were under attack by the British who wa
nted, once again to bring us under their control, who disrespected our freedoms and abilities to act as free and independent individuals as well as a free and independent nation.

There is a reason the First Amendment comes first. It was our Founding Father's most important value.


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


Kneeling is simply an act that petitions for a "redress of grievances". It is, therefore one of the most cherished rights and as such it should be respected.


What is true of Congress should also be true of NFL owners, corporations, or any local, state, or Federal institution, including the Executive Branch.

Athletes shouldn't protest because they make Millions? I don't even know how anyone can say that.
#1. Those athletes aren't saying that they are being oppressed FINANCIALLY. So why does their income make a difference. Oh wait, it's because that helps to deflect from the ACTUAL reason, which is....
#2. Those athletes are protesting not just for themselves, but for black and brown people whose voices could NOT be heard. You don't/won't hear MY voice. But you WILL hear theirs.
#3. ABSOLUTELY NOBODY FOUGHT AND DIED SO WE CAN STAND FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM. NOBODY.

That's not freedom. That's compulsory obedience. Like North Korea. What our soldiers fought for, was the freedom to be able to express ourselves. Even if that expression is through protest. THAT'S what our FIRST AMENDMENT guarantees us. You don't have to AGREE with why we protest. (but if you can't agree that there shouldn't be police brutality against minorities, or racial oppression, you're legitimately and delibrately blind), but we do indeed have that freedom.


Those athletes are asking our country to do better. And they're doing it peacefully. And you still have more of a problem with the fact they're protesting without violence, than the reasons why they are protesting. What does that say about YOU?



You can't demand that people protest non-violently and peacefully (especially if you were silent or made excuses when white supremacists carried torches, attacked people and ran cars into crowds of people barely a month ago, in fact some called that freedom of speech), and when they DO protest non violently and peacefully, you say "Wait not like that. I'm still uncomfortable".


What you REALLY mean, is that you don't want us to protest at all. As long as it isn't happening to them folks don't care.


no, not at all

football is a game, not a political arena.

As long as it isn't happening to them folks don't care.
that is absolutely not true. are you aware that one football player (ask my husband, I don't know his name :p) raised his fist recently in a black panther salute? they may be taking a knee or whatever, but sure are not all doing it for the same reason

of course the falling popularity of the 'sport' is no reflection on the people who have not paid to see a politcal protest that denigrates respect. maybe a few should trot off to join the ranks of those who fight for the freedoms they are supposedly profiting from

nah

all we have here are behind the scenes manipulators who saw the possibility for yet another reason to jump on the let's undermine the presidency program and if anyone thinks there is not a huge investment in behind the scenes puppeteering, then you do not understand what is actually going on and have become a common denominator in the world bank of collective thinking

cute pup in your avatar though
 
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Anyone remember Josh Norman fined for wearing red white and blue football cleats after 9/11.

i guess if the NFL's CEO's and Owners etc, agenda fits their view they wear it.
 

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IMHO, the more President Trump addresses the participation in this debauchery, the more it grows. He needs to stop feeding it. So do we.
 

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Uhh. Mr. President, I believe you have more important things to worry about than who is or is not standing for the national anthem at a football game
 

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A police state, really?
Go back and look at world history. Our police at its worst couldn't possibly equal a police state.
Obviously someone needs to look again at the SS & the Gestapo.
Seeing as how a nurse was unlawfully arrested while doing her job and this officer was not prosecuted, that seems quite gestapo like to me
 
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When the NFL takes a knee for battered women,then they'll have my support. When the NFL takes a knee against abortion {black women being the most likely to have an abortion} then they will have my support. When the NFL takes a knee against racist Planned Parenthood founder Margret Sanger,then they will have my support. When the NFL takes a knee against black on black crime {see Chicago news} then they will have my support. When the NFL takes a knee against BLM and Black Panthers,then they will have my support. When the NFL takes a knee against black fathers absent from the home leaving kids without a father,{stats are extremely high} then they will have my support. This is about "resisting" the President and playing the race card as liberals always do. If not they'd have been kneeling for the above reasons long before now. Like when there was a black liberal president in office for 8yrs that changed nothing for the black community. Sermon over,amen or ouch.
 
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Seeing as how a nurse was unlawfully arrested while doing her job and this officer was not prosecuted, that seems quite gestapo like to me

Im not sure of all the facts of this case. But the article puts forward some questions that may not make this an open and closed case.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/04/arrested-utah-nurse-had-it-coming/