SO if they have origins in christian ethics, then why are christians fighting against them? Like Whose christianity does it harm if their next door neighbor marries someone of the same sex? No ones. And if you really dont like gay marriage work to get marriage taken out the states hands. There is honestly no reason a religious ceremony should be monitored by secular governments. Oh wait, marriage gives those people certain rights? Well then, those rights should be available for any couple. Banning people from receiving rights from the government because it offends your religious opinion shows maybe there shouldnt be government tied into it in the first place.
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I see you're still posting the same old tired false assertions that have been thoroughly refuted numerous times on CC. You apparently can't or won't retain correct information. It's an issue of rebellion. Interestingly, the very behavior you're making false assertions about is a perfect example of rebellion against God's design for humanity. So, it's not surprising that your own rebellion aligns well with it.
Stand to Reason | Romans 1 on Homosexuality
Stand to Reason | Romans 1 on Homosexuality
but forcing a girl to carry her rapists baby well thats just good compassionate christianity? so now not only does she have to deal with the trauma of being raped but also the social stigma of being pregnant and unwed. Christians love those unwed mothers to be...
And then once she has the kid because those evangelical conservatives forced her too...she will then be insulted for needing government assistance to care for the child which the same group who forced her to have the kid don't want to provide.
And then once she has the kid because those evangelical conservatives forced her too...she will then be insulted for needing government assistance to care for the child which the same group who forced her to have the kid don't want to provide.
And yes christians should follow the bible. Very good AoK, I'm glad you have a basic understanding of scripture. Why you think non-christians would want to live by rules from a faith they dont believe in is beyond me. Ok so being gay is aginst God, no one ever said it wasn't. But then again we aren't a theocracy and non-believers aren't going to care if their actions are against God or not.
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So why don't you? I have an advanced understanding of scripture. Now you're making more false assertions on top of the ones you've already made while ignoring the fact I've already corrected you on these false assertions right here.
I've fully dealt with why it matters, how it matters, when it matters, what the approach should be, why that should be, when it should be, etc... etc... etc...
Appealing to theocracy is juvenile and merely shows that you don't understand the relationship between God and humanity well at all. But then again, you choose each time you're given that information to disregard it so you can cycle back later and make the same erroneous statements.
But don't worry Nautilus. I'm getting around to dismantling it again and carefully explaining to you for the umpteenth time why it matters and how it can be without being a theocracy even though you really don't care.
What you really care about is how can we politically devalue the sacrament of the marriage covenant in society to the point of blasphemy and pretend like it doesn't matter to society and that we can get along just fine like that while falsely asserting that any society with the wisdom to recognize that it fundamentally matters to a society's long-term success (noting that scholarly peer-reviewed historical studies were conducted by scholars of the highest caliber up to and including the founders of the sociology departments in America and Britain's most prestigious universities) is a "theocracy" which is a blatant false assertion.
You're rebelliously taking what's holy and making it unholy societally while claiming it doesn't matter when EVERYTHING is exactly the opposite of your false assertions and understanding.
And, when you're corrected, you refuse to retain the information.
I've fully dealt with why it matters, how it matters, when it matters, what the approach should be, why that should be, when it should be, etc... etc... etc...
Appealing to theocracy is juvenile and merely shows that you don't understand the relationship between God and humanity well at all. But then again, you choose each time you're given that information to disregard it so you can cycle back later and make the same erroneous statements.
But don't worry Nautilus. I'm getting around to dismantling it again and carefully explaining to you for the umpteenth time why it matters and how it can be without being a theocracy even though you really don't care.
What you really care about is how can we politically devalue the sacrament of the marriage covenant in society to the point of blasphemy and pretend like it doesn't matter to society and that we can get along just fine like that while falsely asserting that any society with the wisdom to recognize that it fundamentally matters to a society's long-term success (noting that scholarly peer-reviewed historical studies were conducted by scholars of the highest caliber up to and including the founders of the sociology departments in America and Britain's most prestigious universities) is a "theocracy" which is a blatant false assertion.
You're rebelliously taking what's holy and making it unholy societally while claiming it doesn't matter when EVERYTHING is exactly the opposite of your false assertions and understanding.
And, when you're corrected, you refuse to retain the information.
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Cases of abortion due to rape,incest or medical reasons are very low.Reasons listed below according to guttmacher.org
Having a baby would dramatically change my life 78%
Would interfere with education 38%
Would interfere with job/employment/career 38%
Have other children or dependents 32%
Can’t afford a baby now 73%
Unmarried 42 %
Student or planning to study 34%
Can’t afford the basic needs of life 23 % Unemployed 22 % Can’t leave job to take care of a baby 21%
Not enough support from husband or partner 14 %
Currently or temporarily on welfare or public assistance 8 %
Don’t want to be a single mother or having relationship problems 48%
Husband or partner wants me to have an abortion 14 %
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 13 %
Physical problem with my health 12 %
Parents want me to have an abortion 6 % Was a victim of rape 1% Became pregnant as a result of incest <0.5 %
Having a baby would dramatically change my life 78%
Would interfere with education 38%
Would interfere with job/employment/career 38%
Have other children or dependents 32%
Can’t afford a baby now 73%
Unmarried 42 %
Student or planning to study 34%
Can’t afford the basic needs of life 23 % Unemployed 22 % Can’t leave job to take care of a baby 21%
Not enough support from husband or partner 14 %
Currently or temporarily on welfare or public assistance 8 %
Don’t want to be a single mother or having relationship problems 48%
Husband or partner wants me to have an abortion 14 %
Possible problems affecting the health of the fetus 13 %
Physical problem with my health 12 %
Parents want me to have an abortion 6 % Was a victim of rape 1% Became pregnant as a result of incest <0.5 %
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Gays have the same rights as everyone else in this country except for marriage.Marriage has always been and should always be between a man and a woman. We push Christian beliefs that murder is wrong,that stealing is wrong,that incest is wrong,that abuse is wrong,those are all Christian/Judeo beliefs which our laws were created from. Along with that many feel homosexual marriage is wrong.The Bible seems pretty strong about it,dont know why we should feel any different.
Or people could do as I suggested and attempt to get the government out of the marriage. Then if their are no federal benefits to marriage, then all couples can get the same benefits regardless of their sexuality or status simply by say living together. And marriage can go back to a church only thing so that only never before married male and female couples can participate in it.
Ok but even in those low percentiles abortion should still be available to those cases. I don;t agree with the whole I got drunk slept with someone and knocked up abort it concept. But unless abortion regulations come with exceptions for those cases(some don't) than I can't approve of them. I'd rather have to deal with abortion being legal for all, than denying that low percentage legitimate access.
I might even include physical problems in that small percentile depending on the severity of said issues.
I might even include physical problems in that small percentile depending on the severity of said issues.
I honestly don't know why you need religion to tell you that killing, stealing, incest and abuse are wrong. And as a christian I don't participate in gay marriage. But I'm not going to refuse someone else the right to do what is essentially victim-less. Its not like gays are getting married without knowing our opinion on what happens to them in the afterlife. If someone doesn't believe in God and chooses that life then let them deal with the consequences. Lost people are going to do what lost people do.
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Well I would rather turn it the other way round.I abhor abortion but say we agree to it in cases of rape,medical emergency and incest.Very low percentage as I pointed out.I'd rather say yes to that if I had to than all the abortions that are had for no reason at all.There is just no justification for all the abortions in this country.
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Yes I do somewhat see your point there. But I wouldnt say it is victim-less.There are often children involved in these situations.And since Hollywood has begun making homosexuality the popular thing to be Ive seen more and more young people think there is nothing wrong with it and seen more Christians accepting of it.I believe it really does affect society and the family.But I also feel that way about divorce and thing it should be much more difficult to get a divorce except in the cases of abuse or unfaithful spouses.JMO