Duke reverses decision to allow Muslim call to prayer

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djness

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For any of you that followed this.

(CNN)Duke University officials on Friday cited security concerns as part of the reason for the school's reversal of its decision to allow a Muslim call to prayer to sound from a campus chapel bell tower.

Neither the North Carolina school nor the local FBI office, which was made aware of the situation at Duke, would specify details of these concerns, but Michael J. Schoenfeld, the university's vice president of public affairs, said the number and tone of the calls were "pretty loud and nasty."
"We have heard from a lot of people who have a lot of interesting and important opinions and perspectives on this," Schoenfeld said.
In a statement Thursday, the school said plans changed because its effort to "unify was not having the intended effect."
The Duke Muslim Students Association had planned to chant the call, or adhan, from the Duke Chapel bell tower. The adhan signals the beginning of the weekly prayer service. Jummah prayers have taken place in the basement of Duke Chapel for many years.

"Duke remains committed to fostering an inclusive, tolerant and welcoming campus for all of its students," Schoenfeld said. "I think when you do these kind of things you like to think and you hope that it will be seen by others as you see them as enlightened ways to introduce diversity and the celebration of faith tradition, but unfortunately it doesn't happen the way you would like it."
The university's Imam Abdullah Antepli said that his community was disappointed in the school's reversal. But he had praise for Duke, calling its offerings to the Muslim community "far more comprehensive than many other universities in the entire U.S."
Schoenfeld said there will continue to be a call to prayer and service as usual.
"The only thing that has changed," he said, "is that it will not come from the bell tower of the Duke Chapel as previously announced."
There were no shortage of opinions on both sides after the reversal.








Franklin Graham, son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham, applauded the school. Graham had called on donors to withhold support over the plan to allow the adnan, questioning whether evangelical Christians at Duke would be allowed to broadcast their "message across campus."
Others expressed their disappointment in Duke for the reversal.
Omid Safi, head of Islamic studies at Duke University, directed a criticism at Graham.




"Spare me," Safi's Facebook post says, "Spare me the paranoia of a wealthy white male Christian who talks about being marginalized in America."
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation's largest Muslim civil rights group, called the decision "unfortunate," saying that the university bowed to "intimidation."
Members of the Muslim community will now gather on the quadrangle outside the chapel, a site of frequent interfaith programs and activities, before moving to their regular location for prayers. More than 700 of Duke's 15,000 undergraduate and graduate students identify as Muslim.
"Our Muslim community enriches the university in countless ways," Schoenfeld said.
Antepli added, "I see as opportunity, opportunity for people of all faiths, backgrounds and customs to come together and to learn from one another and to love each other."
 
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kaylagrl

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For any of you that followed this.

(CNN)Duke University officials on Friday cited security concerns as part of the reason for the school's reversal of its decision to allow a Muslim call to prayer to sound from a campus chapel bell tower.

Neither the North Carolina school nor the local FBI office, which was made aware of the situation at Duke, would specify details of these concerns, but Michael J. Schoenfeld, the university's vice president of public affairs, said the number and tone of the calls were "pretty loud and nasty."
"We have heard from a lot of people who have a lot of interesting and important opinions and perspectives on this," Schoenfeld said.
In a statement Thursday, the school said plans changed because its effort to "unify was not having the intended effect."
The Duke Muslim Students Association had planned to chant the call, or adhan, from the Duke Chapel bell tower. The adhan signals the beginning of the weekly prayer service. Jummah prayers have taken place in the basement of Duke Chapel for many years.
"Duke remains committed to fostering an inclusive, tolerant and welcoming campus for all of its students," Schoenfeld said. "I think when you do these kind of things you like to think and you hope that it will be seen by others as you see them as enlightened ways to introduce diversity and the celebration of faith tradition, but unfortunately it doesn't happen the way you would like it."
The university's Imam Abdullah Antepli said that his community was disappointed in the school's reversal. But he had praise for Duke, calling its offerings to the Muslim community "far more comprehensive than many other universities in the entire U.S."
Schoenfeld said there will continue to be a call to prayer and service as usual.
"The only thing that has changed," he said, "is that it will not come from the bell tower of the Duke Chapel as previously announced."
There were no shortage of opinions on both sides after the reversal.








Franklin Graham, son of legendary evangelist Billy Graham, applauded the school. Graham had called on donors to withhold support over the plan to allow the adnan, questioning whether evangelical Christians at Duke would be allowed to broadcast their "message across campus."
Others expressed their disappointment in Duke for the reversal.
Omid Safi, head of Islamic studies at Duke University, directed a criticism at Graham.




"Spare me," Safi's Facebook post says, "Spare me the paranoia of a wealthy white male Christian who talks about being marginalized in America."
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, the nation's largest Muslim civil rights group, called the decision "unfortunate," saying that the university bowed to "intimidation."
Members of the Muslim community will now gather on the quadrangle outside the chapel, a site of frequent interfaith programs and activities, before moving to their regular location for prayers. More than 700 of Duke's 15,000 undergraduate and graduate students identify as Muslim.
"Our Muslim community enriches the university in countless ways," Schoenfeld said.
Antepli added, "I see as opportunity, opportunity for people of all faiths, backgrounds and customs to come together and to learn from one another and to love each other."

If one religion does it,then we all can do it. Not one over another.Go to their country and try a Christian call to prayer and see what happens.Enough said.
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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Heard about this last night on the news. Amen, Duke! Way to go!

Guess the university elite forgot they abide in the heart of the Bible Belt! :cool:
 
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kaylagrl

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Heard about this last night on the news. Amen, Duke! Way to go!

Guess the university elite forgot they abide in the heart of the Bible Belt! :cool:

Thanks to Franklin Graham for standing up! Great job!
 

notuptome

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They got hit in the bank account. The alumni threatened to stop donating. Franklin knew just where to hit them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Mitspa

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These left-wing nuts live in a fairy land..but take away their yuppie life-style and most of them come back to some rational thinking?
 

Desdichado

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They got hit in the bank account. The alumni threatened to stop donating. Franklin knew just where to hit them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
May that be a lessen to us all. Cash is the lifeblood of nearly all important institutions. You threaten to cut off even appreciable fraction of the flow, and they are putty in your hands.

Beats complaining anyway.
 

Dude653

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decriminalization much? If somebody wants to pray to Micky Mouse, i couldnt care less. Thats his personal freedom.
 
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decriminalization much? If somebody wants to pray to Micky Mouse, i couldnt care less. Thats his personal freedom.
Not sure what you meant by "decriminalization" ... you didn't mean "discrimination" did you?

Either way, I don't care who they pray to, or where either -- as long as it isn't in the Christian chapel on campus, which is where the university was going to let them pray. How long do you suppose it would have been before they started ranting about the cross, the pictures of Christ as Deity, and the other Christian icons and the general atmosphere? It wouldn't have been long before they wanted to "secularize" the space, since it was "theirs," too.

They don't need a recorded muezzin calling the adhan to know it is time to pray. Most of 'em got watches or iPhones.
 
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decriminalization much? If somebody wants to pray to Micky Mouse, i couldnt care less. Thats his personal freedom.
Every time I smoke a joint in Colorado I'm embracing decriminalization. How about you?
 
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If one religion does it,then we all can do it. Not one over another.Go to their country and try a Christian call to prayer and see what happens.Enough said.
''Their country''? Muslims don't have ''a country'', just like Christians don't have ''a country''. They come from all kinds of countries, many from America, and America is a multicultural, multi-religious, secular country. Muslims should be allowed to chant their call if they so wish, just like Christians should be allowed to run church services.
 
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''Their country''? Muslims don't have ''a country'', just like Christians don't have ''a country''. They come from all kinds of countries, many from America, and America is a multicultural, multi-religious, secular country. Muslims should be allowed to chant their call if they so wish, just like Christians should be allowed to run church services.
Irrelevant, irrational, and off-topic. You pick out one phrase which has nothing to do with the subject and attack it, obviously in an attempt to distract from the impact of the post. How about she changes it to "go to any Muslim country" ... would that work for you? And then can you attempt to make an on-topic comment regarding it? Doubtful, but give it a shot, just for the heck of it.
 
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Irrelevant, irrational, and off-topic. You pick out one phrase which has nothing to do with the subject and attack it, obviously in an attempt to distract from the impact of the post. How about she changes it to "go to any Muslim country" ... would that work for you? And then can you attempt to make an on-topic comment regarding it? Doubtful, but give it a shot, just for the heck of it.
I could try a Christian call to prayer in the majority of Islamic states, particularly the most populous ones. Indonesia for instance, has many Christians who can practice freely.

The crux of this matter is that the US is not a Christian nation, it's a self proclaimed secular multicultural country. If it were a self proclaimed Christian nation, then your equivalency wouldn't be erroneous. Any religion can practice in the US, not because it's a Christian nation, but because it's ​not.
 
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I could try a Christian call to prayer ...
There isn't one. You do know that, right? It was statement of irony.

Indonesia for instance, has many Christians who can practice freely.
And many who can't. In Iraq, ISIS is burning churches, cutting children in half with swords who won't renounce Christ, and beheading the men of the village. Let's see you try a "Christian call to prayer" there.

The crux of this matter is that the US is not a Christian nation, it's a self proclaimed secular multicultural country.
I've never said it is a Christian nation. But it is a nation made of a majority of people who are Christian.

If it were a self proclaimed Christian nation, then your equivalency wouldn't be erroneous.
What "equivalency"? Neither I nor Kayla implied "equivalency." She merely stated a fact: ASttempting to make a public proclamation of faith in Christ in most Muslim countries will get one beheaded.

Any religion can practice in the US, not because it's a Christian nation, but because it's ​not.
Unless, of course, the majority of people who use a Christian chapel object strenuously to any other use of that chapel -- such as by Muslims who will soon attempt to abrogate the chapel's use to their own. You continue to miss that point completely. Most likely, deliberately. You can get over this, too.